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[gumshoe]

Cool story, bro.

Can you pretty much place where the attraction comes from in your straight friends too? I'd be curious to hear some of your wisdom on this topic.

you are born straight.

 

[Squall5042]

If you are asking for a source, as in a study or a scientific finding, then I have nothing for you. But I don't need a study to tell me something that is pretty obvious.

I can trace the reasons why homosexulaity developed for all of the gay people that I closely know. Some deny it, and some don't even realize that I know they are gay.

these factors are some of the reasons why homosexuality develops in people, but it doesn't always necessarily mean that people will turn gay because of them:

- Lack of a strong father figure. (no father, dad was too busy, etc..)
- Too attached to their mothers.
- Surrounded by sisters, with no males around him to form bonds with.
- Abused during childhood/teenage years.
- Faced Rejection by a female during childhood/teenage years, and that rejection left a lasting impact.

My father was in the military and a constant, important figure in my life. I have 2 older brothers with whom I'm very close (both straight). I was never abused and got plenty of attention from females growing up (probably BECAUSE I was gay). This is pretty shallow thinking on your part

 

[Jive Turkey]

Long read but well worth it.

This choice quote in particular:

"We advise fathers, 'If you don't hug your sons, some other man will.' We train the mothers to back off.'"

That got a good laugh out of me.

 

[water_wendi]

you are born straight.

And why is it that?

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

If you are asking for a source, as in a study or a scientific finding, then I have nothing for you. But I don't need a study to tell me something that is pretty obvious.

I can trace the reasons why homosexulaity developed for all of the gay people that I closely know. Some deny it, and some don't even realize that I know they are gay.

these factors are some of the reasons why homosexuality develops in people, but it doesn't always necessarily mean that people will turn gay because of them:

- Lack of a strong father figure. (no father, dad was too busy, etc..)
- Too attached to their mothers.
- Surrounded by sisters, with no males around him to form bonds with.
- Abused during childhood/teenage years.
- Faced Rejection by a female during childhood/teenage years, and that rejection left a lasting impact.

Except that most gay people know that they are gay when they are very young.

Edit: I guess that I am speaking anecdotally of course, but it seems like any gay person that I have ever seen asked the question of when they knew they were gay replies that they always knew.

Also, you are either born gay or born straight. To argue otherwise is to argue against all of the science of the subject.

 

[Gaborn]

If you are asking for a source, as in a study or a scientific finding, then I have nothing for you. But I don't need a study to tell me something that is pretty obvious.

I'm glad you're not someone who needs some SCIENTIFIC person to tell you somthing obvious. :lol :lol

I can trace the reasons why homosexulaity developed for all of the gay people that I closely know. Some deny it, and some don't even realize that I know they are gay.

No wonder you're a gumshoe.

these factors are some of the reasons why homosexuality develops in people, but it doesn't always necessarily mean that people will turn gay because of them:

Let me guess: Homosexuality "develops", heterosexuality "is," right? :lol

- Lack of a strong father figure. (no father, dad was too busy, etc..)
- Too attached to their mothers.

Dr. Freud would love you.

- Surrounded by sisters, with no males around him to form bonds with.

So gay men usually have sisters?

- Abused during childhood/teenage years.

So... are you suggesting you found out about them being abused? Or are you suggesting some outside source mentioned it? Or that you think that's a cause?

- Faced Rejection by a female during childhood/teenae years, and that rejection left a lasting impact.

So if a woman says no a guy is more likely to say "ah, screw it, I'll go suck a cock"? REALLY?

 

[Raist]

well, not in any severe way, but weaker skin, etc.

Which is not necessarily "inferior". It depends on context.

 

[ivysaur12]

If you are asking for a source, as in a study or a scientific finding, then I have nothing for you. But I don't need a study to tell me something that is pretty obvious.

I can trace the reasons why homosexulaity developed for all of the gay people that I closely know. Some deny it, and some don't even realize that I know they are gay.

these factors are some of the reasons why homosexuality develops in people, but it doesn't always necessarily mean that people will turn gay because of them:

- Lack of a strong father figure. (no father, dad was too busy, etc..)
- Too attached to their mothers.
- Surrounded by sisters, with no males around him to form bonds with.
- Abused during childhood/teenage years.
- Faced Rejection by a female during childhood/teenage years, and that rejection left a lasting impact.

Pretty obvious? :lol :lol :lol :lol Almost every single major scientific study will tell you that the little story you concocted in your head is false.

Freud's been dead a while, kid.

 

[Mercury Fred]

you are born straight.

Right, it was all that childhood trauma that did it :lol

I assume that's the case when homosexuality occurs in the animal kingdom as well.

 

[xelios]

If you are asking for a source, as in a study or a scientific finding, then I have nothing for you. But I don't need a study to tell me something that is pretty obvious.

Anecdotal evidence about homosexuality means jack in the big picture, even less when you're not gay yourself. And you should probably stop assuming so much about your friends, it just makes you look stupid.

 

[Jive Turkey]

- Lack of a strong father figure. (no father, dad was too busy, etc..)
- Too attached to their mothers.
- Surrounded by sisters, with no males around him to form bonds with.
- Faced Rejection by a female during childhood/teenage years, and that rejection left a lasting impact.

Um...That's pretty much my childhood right there and I'm as straight as any man can be.

 

[RobertM]

It's not an opinion to state that you can almost always trace homosexuality back to abuse/being otherwise fucked up or having a poor childhood. You need some evidence to contradict the major psych organizations' position statements and studies on the matter, which say that is NOT the case.

I wouldn't go so far as to make specific cases as to why something is or is not, which in his case he did, but I partially agree with him on the issue of the "environment". Not to discredit the psychological community, but no one really understands the mind or its inner workings completely, hence we never have any conclusive statements on some of the studies.

 

[soul creator]

we give you permission to go there, with your healing power and your light, go into those parts, open all the doors, and access each one with your light.

sounds pretty hot to me

 

[Brobzoid]

Which is not necessarily "inferior". It depends on context.

In most contexts it is, but sure.

 

[BitchTits]

I don't think it's genetic. You can almost always trace it back to some kind of problem in the home. Abuse, no father figure, having mostly female siblings...so much of it is influenced by environment.

What about all the straight people with those sort of backgrounds?

What went wrong there that their fatherless abusive female siblings couldn't make them gay!

 

[worldrunover]

If you are asking for a source, as in a study or a scientific finding, then I have nothing for you. But I don't need a study to tell me something that is pretty obvious.

I can trace the reasons why homosexulaity developed for all of the gay people that I closely know. Some deny it, and some don't even realize that I know they are gay.

these factors are some of the reasons why homosexuality develops in people, but it doesn't always necessarily mean that people will turn gay because of them:

- Lack of a strong father figure. (no father, dad was too busy, etc..)
- Too attached to their mothers.
- Surrounded by sisters, with no males around him to form bonds with.
- Abused during childhood/teenage years.
- Faced Rejection by a female during childhood/teenage years, and that rejection left a lasting impact.

What happened in your childhood that made you choose to be a moron?

As much as your narrow scope of anecdotal evidence seems like fact, until you can provide some kind of study to back it up, you're just a close-minded fool.

 

[Raist]

these factors are some of the reasons why homosexuality develops in people, but it doesn't always necessarily mean that people will turn gay because of them:

- Lack of a strong father figure. (no father, dad was too busy, etc..)
- Too attached to their mothers.
- Surrounded by sisters, with no males around him to form bonds with.
- Faced Rejection by a female during childhood/teenage years, and that rejection left a lasting impact.

4/5. And I'm straight. There is a thing called statistical significance. I'm pretty sure you criterias aren't.

 

[ivysaur12]

I wouldn't go so far as to make specific cases as to why something is or is not, which in his case he did, but I partially agree with him on the issue of the "environment". Not to discredit the psychological community, but no one really understands the mind or its inner workings completely, hence we never have any conclusive statements on some of the studies.

But scientific studies have eliminated the possibilities that he so astutely claimed countless times.

 

[Raist]

Um...That's pretty much my childhood right there and I'm as straight as any man can be.

Brother? ;.;

 

[nincompoop]

Is there some flaw in men who are attracted to red haired women (as red hair is genetically inferior)?

Wow, I didn't think someone would beat Saltinekracka or Gumshoe for dumbest post in this thread, but you somehow pulled it off. :lol

 

[ivysaur12]

I kinda hope some bannings come out of this thread. These 500 errors are killing me.

 

[gumshoe]

people keep quoting my post, and saying that they have 3/5 4/5 of my reasons and that they are straight. I never said that if you have these factors then you are 100% going to turn gay. Besides, I am sure that there are many more factors (environmental ones) that make you turn gay. These factors were the first ones that came to mind.

 

[Brobzoid]

Wow, I didn't think someone would beat Saltinekracka or Gumshoe for dumbest post in this thread, but you somehow pulled it off. :lol

:,( It's late, it was the first example I could think of.

 

[Koomaster]

To the straight people who think they have gay people figured out. Go to your gay friends with your theories and have an actual discussion about their lives. Present your side, and if they are good friends, they won't outright laugh in your face, and will probably educate you a bit.

That's seriously my best advice as anonymous people on the internet aren't going to convince you that you are wrong.

 

[Firehead]

And what about us bisexuals?

 

[ivysaur12]

people keep quoting my post, and saying that they have 3/5 4/5 of my reasons and that they are straight. I never said that if you have these factors then you are 100% going to turn gay. Besides, I am sure that there are many more factors (environmental ones) that make you turn gay. These factors were the first ones that came to mind.

I'd love to hear what scientific study you found that provided you with that wealth of data.

Oh, but there are other reasons? Please, continue!

And while you're looking for these great quotes, feel free to do some reading:

"Despite almost a century of psychoanalytic and psychological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heterosexual or homosexual orientation. It would appear that sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment. Sexual orientation is therefore not a choice."

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/pdf/Submission%20to%20the%20Church%20of%20England.pdf

 

[Mercury Fred]

people keep quoting my post, and saying that they have 3/5 4/5 of my reasons and that they are straight. I never said that if you have these factors then you are 100% going to turn gay. Besides, I am sure that there are many more factors (environmental ones) that make you turn gay. These factors were the first ones that came to mind.

In other words, you pulled some random shit out of your ass that has no basis in anything other than your own ignorance.

So, explain to me again homosexuality in the animal kingdom. I'm in the mood for some sad stories of penguins who are estranged from their dads ;_;

 

[Feep]

people keep quoting my post, and saying that they have 3/5 4/5 of my reasons and that they are straight. I never said that if you have these factors then you are 100% going to turn gay. Besides, I am sure that there are many more factors (environmental ones) that make you turn gay. These factors were the first ones that came to mind.

Must...not...avatar quote...

All this "open forum" crap. Let's get something clear. We respect your right to POST your opinion, not your opinion itself, especially when your opinion is ridiculous, bigoted, and contrary to nearly every major study done in the past half-century.

See, even "obvious" things have studies to back them. We have studies that show "men think differently from women". Go ahead, try and find a single accepted study that shows that homosexuality is a choice born solely from family abuse or other environmental factors. Go fucking try. Have fun.

Your anecdotal "evidence" is paper-thin, and frankly, disturbing. You're also an asshole.

 

[xelios]

I wouldn't go so far as to make specific cases as to why something is or is not, which in his case he did, but I partially agree with him on the issue of the "environment". Not to discredit the psychological community, but no one really understands the mind or its inner workings completely, hence we never have any conclusive statements on some of the studies.

But those who think homosexuals are just damaged goods, have psychological issues or are "curable", do discredit the psychological community. You're right, the reason for homosexuality is not fully understood. It's generally thought to be a mix of nature and nurture--even different causes in different instances--but those organizations have done enough studies that they've all arrived at the conclusion it is not a mental illness and thus is not treatable like mental illnesses. Yet we still have statements like his, and statements like yours:

Now homosexuality on the other hand-and people like to claim otherwise-is not a genetic mutation or disorder, otherwise they would try to fix it, but a series of misidentifications, self delusions, and psychological conflicts.

Which completely disregard those findings in favor of going back decades into time and making it a simple mental illness or psychological trauma again, with no evidence or even a position statement or study to back up your claims. That's why it is offensive.

 

[MissyElliottSmith]

And what about us bisexuals?

We're just selfish . Swing away baby!

 

[Pandaman]

- Surrounded by sisters, with no males around him to form bonds with.

science disagrees.

 

[ronito]

I went to BYU which had the Evergreen Institute which was one of these crazy places that used aversion therapy to try and "get the gay out".

I remember a bunch of people going to that and thinking to myself, "They must be insane to do this to themselves." but they did it anyway.

 

[Gaborn]

people keep quoting my post, and saying that they have 3/5 4/5 of my reasons and that they are straight. I never said that if you have these factors then you are 100% going to turn gay. Besides, I am sure that there are many more factors (environmental ones) that make you turn gay. These factors were the first ones that came to mind.

Can I ask why your first assumption is that someone turns gay? Why don't you think being gay is an inborn characteristic? Why MUST a person be born hetero in your mind?

 

[Jin34]

And what about us bisexuals?

You are just greedy

The most hilarious part of the article was the Freemasonry leads to homosexuality part :lol I dont even know wtf they are talking about there.

 

[El Sloth]

And what about us bisexuals?

You guys have twice the fu-OH GOD GOATSE. Wait it's just your avatar, wooo that scared me.

 

[excelforward]

This is why we can't have nice things.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Can you link some studies showing homosexuality is genetic, outside of studies on identical twins? Not doubting anyone, I just want more ammo someone says something dumb on facebook.

 

[operon]

These are the kind of fuckwits that Iris Robinson mentioned as helping gay people to become straight, now old Iris is getting care for her mental problems, shows how much her opinion should count. The only reason its not stated scientifically that your born gay is because fuck wits like these and the ones in the thread would say that it should be bread out of existance, face facts assholes you can't catch the "gay"

 

[operon]

You are just greedy

The most hilarious part of the article was the Freemasonry leads to homosexuality part :lol I dont even know wtf they are talking about there.

Aye I thought how comes Dan Brown didn't have that in his book:lol :lol

 

[bathhouseterror]

The great thing about gays is that it's harder for them to procreate.

 

[ivysaur12]

The great thing about gays is that it's harder for them to procreate.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

 

[eissan]

Except that most gay people know that they are gay when they are very young.
Edit: I guess that I am speaking anecdotally of course, but it seems like any gay person that I have ever seen asked the question of when they knew they were gay replies that they always knew.

Also, you are either born gay or born straight. To argue otherwise is to argue against all of the science of the subject.

noob here

quick question. When did most people realize you were straight or gay/lesbian? I realized I was straight when I was about 13 when I started realizing I found girls with curvy chests attractive.

also for the people who are saying that your born gay isnt it still not 100% fact? by that I mean they havent found the gene or whatever that causes you to be not straight(same goes for the other side of the argument) so maybe neither side should be claiming they are right?

I dunno I personally dont care if you are straight or not as long as either way its not being thrown in my face IE gay pride day and the reason for that is because well we dont have a straight pride day! what happens in the privacy of your own home should not have a effect on what happens outside it.

 

[ksan]

Aye I thought how comes Dan Brown didn't have that in his book:lol :lol

Because his books aren't factually correct! :lol

 

[xelios]

also for the people who are saying that your born gay isnt it still not 100% fact? by that I mean they havent found the gene or whatever that causes you to be not straight(same goes for the other side of the argument) so maybe neither side should be claiming they are right?

I dunno I personally dont care if you are straight or not as long as either way its not being thrown in my face IE gay pride day and the reason for that is because well we dont have a straight pride day! what happens in the privacy of your own home should not have a effect on what happens outside it.

It doesn't even matter if homosexuals are born gay or if we wake up one day and choose to be gay. The latter just gives religious folks ammo about how it's our choice to be immoral instead of being made that way. We're still people either way, and we're not hurting anyone.

There's also no white history month, write your congressman I guess.

 

[ivysaur12]

noob here

quick question. When did most people realize you were straight or gay/lesbian? I realized I was straight when I was about 13 when I started realizing I found girls with curvy chests attractive.

also for the people who are saying that your born gay isnt it still not 100% fact? by that I mean they havent found the gene or whatever that causes you to be not straight(same goes for the other side of the argument) so maybe neither side should be claiming they are right?

I dunno I personally dont care if you are straight or not as long as either way its not being thrown in my face IE gay pride day and the reason for that is because well we dont have a straight pride day! what happens in the privacy of your own home should not have a effect on what happens outside it.

Setting my feelings on gay pride parades aside:

Every day is fucking straight pride day.

 

[BitchTits]

These factors were the first ones that came to mind.

That's because they're the most archaic stereotypes for origins of homosexuality.

READ what gay people in this thread are telling you - they have first hand experience, and they're all saying these factors are BS.

 

[speculawyer]

This about sums to up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjQlh52Em3o

I love that guy . . . he is so flaming. :lol

 

[forknknife]

I don't think it's genetic. You can almost always trace it back to some kind of problem in the home. Abuse, no father figure, having mostly female siblings...so much of it is influenced by environment.

If you are asking for a source, as in a study or a scientific finding, then I have nothing for you. But I don't need a study to tell me something that is pretty obvious.

I can trace the reasons why homosexulaity developed for all of the gay people that I closely know. Some deny it, and some don't even realize that I know they are gay.

these factors are some of the reasons why homosexuality develops in people, but it doesn't always necessarily mean that people will turn gay because of them:

- Lack of a strong father figure. (no father, dad was too busy, etc..)
- Too attached to their mothers.
- Surrounded by sisters, with no males around him to form bonds with.
- Abused during childhood/teenage years.
- Faced Rejection by a female during childhood/teenage years, and that rejection left a lasting impact.

The great thing about gays is that it's harder for them to procreate.

WOW

I think people just don't like to have accounts on neogaf anymore or something

 

[Firehead]

noob here

quick question. When did most people realize you were straight or gay/lesbian? I realized I was straight when I was about 13 when I started realizing I found girls with curvy chests attractive.

also for the people who are saying that your born gay isnt it still not 100% fact? by that I mean they havent found the gene or whatever that causes you to be not straight(same goes for the other side of the argument) so maybe neither side should be claiming they are right?

I dunno I personally dont care if you are straight or not as long as either way its not being thrown in my face IE gay pride day and the reason for that is because well we dont have a straight pride day! what happens in the privacy of your own home should not have a effect on what happens outside it.

Heteros want a day? Try putting up with the fucking abuse the LGBT community does. Fuck, EVERY day is hetero pride day!

 

[ivysaur12]

It doesn't even matter if homosexuals are born gay or if we wake up one day and choose to be gay. The latter just gives religious folks ammo about how it's our choice to be immoral instead of being made that way. We're still people either way, and we're not hurting anyone.

There's also no white history month, write your congressman I guess.

Eh, I think it matters to an extent. I definitely wouldn't have chosen this life if I was somehow given the choice and did everything short of reparative therapy to try to make the feelings go away. I'm extremely happy at this point in my life, but yeah, I think it does matter.