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The final battle begins today: Bush vs. Kerry debate

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Mandark

Small balls, big fun!
Okay, kids, lesson time.

During the 2000 primaries, the Bush campaign ran push polls in South Carolina spreading the word that McCain had a black baby (he adopted a girl from Bangledesh), hoping to use racism to undermine his support in the state.

Now, I'll allow that Mike's first post shattered some grammatical rules. But it's still really, painfully obvious that he's being ironic the whole time. And if you get his reference, then it's even more obvious that his use of the word "nigger" is directed at a slimeball racist campaign tactic.

As far as nigger vs. fag, both slurs have gotten people banned. If someone were to use fags in a post like "Oh yeah, fags getting married will ruin civilization :rolleyes" then I'm 95% sure they wouldn't be banned (I can't speak for all the mods, and overbose is a loose cannon). I think the difference between that and, say, "jinx has been emailing Mandark pictures of his penis, wotta fag!" is pretty obvious.

I think this works with the spirit of the TOS, and as far as the letter of the law, the "in any form" is referring to word forms. So don't try hiding those racist slurs as verbs, adjectives, nouns derived from verbs derived from the original noun, or gerunds. Especially gerunds. Which means "whopping" is okay but "wopping" is not.

To sum up, racial/ethnic/sexual/religious slurs directed at people = very likely to get you banned.

Slurs used ironically to highlight the intolerance of others = not gonna get you banned.
 

Dilbert

Member
Mandark said:
I think the difference between that and, say, "jinx has been emailing Mandark pictures of his penis, wotta fag!" is pretty obvious.
Speaking of which -- did you like the pictures?
 

Pimpwerx

Member
Doc Holliday said:
Anybody know where we can watch this thing online? C-span seems to have it but its not working.
NPR has a stream. No video, just audio:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4055740
First link on the page. I went against my rule and listened to the first half hour or so. Predictable really, although Kerry didn't own himself as much as I would have expected. Bush is quite possibly the worst public speaker ever. He stumbles and stammers through every sentence, and half the time he's pausing, he's looking down to his notes to remember what to say. What an idiot. PEACE.
 
Culex said:
I hope you were watching the debate, because 3 times, Kerry said the war was a mistake, then followed up at the end, saying it wasn't.
Invading Iraq as of March 2003: Mistake

Making sure Iraq gets fixed up as of September 2004: Not a mistake.
 

maharg

idspispopd
By the way, does anyone else think that maybe the debates should be defined by law like the election is? This whole 'negotiating' thing is bullshit. I can see location being up for negotiation, but not number of debates or requirements on how the PRESS gets to show it. That's just retarded.

Supposedly Bush pulled the same stonewalling tactics on both his Governor races (one debate each, no split screening. Hell, in his second race he supposedly denied the press the right to be *in the room*).
 

DrLazy

Member
So which thread is it?

If it weren't for the "global test" remark, and I know what Kerry meant, it would have been a complete slaughter last night. The North Korea argument made Kerry look a tad "unilateral" as well. Again, I know what he meant by it, but still. Then there was Bush.

Bush Gaffes:

1. Don't forget Poland
2. I know Osama Bin Laden attacked us!
3. Looked nervous, short, and pouty, like a little kid not getting his way
4. Sounded like broken record with Kerry "inconsistancies" when Kerry shot down argument by stating Iraq war position succintly
5. I sit down with foreign leaders all the time / I sit down with FBI director - sounded foolish
6. I know how war is "hard work" I see it on the TV.

Kerry kicked your ass Bush, and all the major papers seem to agree:

Wahington Post survey of major papers

My guess is Bush will do one thing and one thing only: Harp on the "GLOBAL TEST" remark, Kerry's lone Gaffe in the debate.

edit: fixed link
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
Yeah, they are all over the international test thing allready.. its all that they have to go with, but at the same time I dont think it will work, Bush lost far too convincingly, (by greater than 25% according to Gallup. Hard uphill battle.


Also, why doesnt someone bring this up? Al Queda and war on terror = war against extremist muslims. Saddam = Bathe party which is an arab group. in fact the Bathe party was started by a group of Christians. I get tired of politicians that dont know the difference between Arabs and Muslims. I think it is something that anyone running for office should be able to understand.
 

Mike

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Mandark said:
To sum up, racial/ethnic/sexual/religious slurs directed at people = very likely to get you banned.

Slurs used ironically to highlight the intolerance of others = not gonna get you banned.

There ya go.
 

SalientOne

Internet Batman
StoOgE said:
I get tired of politicians that dont know the difference between Arabs and Muslims. I think it is something that anyone running for office should be able to understand.

The problem is that the VAST majority of narrow-minded middle-Americans don't see a difference.

Brown-skinned + Middle Eastern decent = Muslim Terrorist + Pass The Amunition
 

SickBoy

Member
StoOgE said:
and I think he may have cost himself the 'flip-flop' issue. He repeatedly allowed Kerry to explain his changing position as a consistent idea and that changing opinion can be good. I really think Bush screwed up there.. he was allready winning that issue with the voters, and didnt need to give Kerry an oppurtunity to respond to it.

I think it also hurt Bush because at times it almost seems like he was saying "even if your decision is a mistake, you can't turn our back on it, or change what you're doing." In other words, whether he meant it or not, his criticism of Kerry seemed to suggest an inflexibility that could prevent him from doing the right thing.

-SB
 

mashoutposse

Ante Up
Divus Masterei said:
I mean the word nig^^ is used many a times in many comedies and movies, and even in the street. I mean You hear, and read... you're such a nig^^, etc. and no it doesn't always end with "ah", many times it ends with the "er".

I have never heard shit like that in the street. LOL at the thought of it :lol
 
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