I wasn't in there but how have they been towards this election? What do the majority think about Trump? What do they think about Hillary? I think all these excess threads is giving me a bad idea of how PoliGAF really is.
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The final staff letter of the Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign
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I wasn't in there but how have they been towards this election? What do the majority think about Trump? What do they think about Hillary? I think all these excess threads is giving me a bad idea of how PoliGAF really is.
legacyzero
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You deserved to lose, Hillary. You and the DNC screwed this thing up almost deliberately.
Count Dookkake
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onadesertedisland
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I blame her for that. We got sold that this was our way to keep insanity out of power. And she fucking blew it.
Sadly I doubt it nothing major will change they will just put out somone better then hilary and *expect* to win next time.
funkystudent
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I would never expect them to actually admit to what happened publicly. This letter is just saving face. Nothing more then a concession speech in a letter.
I just hope behind the scenes people at the DNC are having the big serious talks.
Not that shocking.
There was always a decent number of people that had doubts about her on here who basically had to shut up about it since anyone who voiced those concerns got beat down and called names.
Now people are free to speak their mind. Sure some of it has the smell of "I told you so" but those are the breaks.
Let it be a lesson for the future.
I just hope behind the scenes people at the DNC are having the big serious talks.
Not that shocking.
There was always a decent number of people that had doubts about her on here who basically had to shut up about it since anyone who voiced those concerns got beat down and called names.
Now people are free to speak their mind. Sure some of it has the smell of "I told you so" but those are the breaks.
Let it be a lesson for the future.
Absolutely. Think of it this way, the first letter caused people to go "See! She is crooked!" The second letter just bolstered the "We can't let her get away with this! We know she's crooked!" calls. I'd guess it caused people to hate-vote more (meaning, those that may not have voted in the first place got angry enough to actually go vote). It also could have kept Hillary voters home as the last straw. Regardless of what the final letter said it was going to hurt Clinton.
They probably have good data to believe this, too. Campaigns do tons of internal polling that is more focused than general, publicly released stuff.
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ersocaster
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They only had to depress it by 110,000.
Couple these late breaking issues with voter ID laws and closet Trump supporters, and you have the ingredients for an upset.
These aren't contradictory. You elevate him to being representative of the party, and then paint him as unfit to be president, thereby saying the leader of the party is not qualified and tarnishing the party as a whole. That's the intent anyways, I assume.
This is exactly what happened.
They are not wrong that the Comey letter likely cost them the election. Others are also correct that their margins should not have been that tight to begin with.
Let's just put it this way... I was accused of being a sexist, racist, and a gamergator for supporting Bernie.
Think about that.
paperboywriter
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but look at those early vote numbers, no way we could lose that!
grow a pair and admit you fucked this up, for gods sake.
grow a pair and admit you fucked this up, for gods sake.
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Nothing major needs to change. 100,000 voters different in the right place and it was a solid victory. Hillary looks to have won the popular vote too. There is no need for revolution.
Yeah. She'll have won the popular vote by over 1~2 million votes. But the changes were too late and too little understood to respond effectively.
Agreed and agree. But what do you do to build a larger margin, when people will say their candidate is unqualified to be president and will still vote for him?
Septimus Prime
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"Hey, so what is the gameplay for this?"NoRéN;224129289 said:
"Yo, stfu bro, INIFINTE WORLDS!"
"Hey, so she does have some faults that concern me."
"Yo, stfu bro, YAAAS QUEEN!"
onadesertedisland
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We are about to find out what happens with a crazy GOP in control of congress, the white house, and the supreme court. That's our future. With the head crazy, a true loose cannon that makes decisions without forethought.
E-Cat
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It's too late. The amount of vitriol that Bernie supporters received here is absolutely embarrassing.
fastford58
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Comey is going to commit suicide by 3 bullets to the back of the head.
When the dust finally settles, the final popular vote drop for Dems will probably shake up to being 2 million. Still bad, but that's because Barack Obama was unusually good and outperformed other Democrats.
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And whose fault was it that the margin was so small in the first place. If you run a campaign that that works on small margins to win, don't be surprised when you don't. She should have shored up those states at all costs. it was literally trump's only path to Victory and she basically ignored it.
Lots of Excuses but they took the rust belt for granted until it was too late because the thought he was a joke. He is but she didn't take into consideration so is half the fucking country.
Burn the dnc to the ground and start over.
Actually shitty polling caused more voter depression than anything
Burn the dnc to the ground and start over.
Actually shitty polling caused more voter depression than anything
edible_candle
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A revolution is needed if the Democrats want any power at local, state, or federal positions other than the Senate and President.
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paperboywriter
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in hindsight he was prob the better candiate but if he had it in him to win it, well no know one will ever know. at the time he def was the bigger wild card.
Earthstrike
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Nate silver was shown this election to be accurate in his assessment. His model showed Hillary Clinton leading by a large margin prior to the letter. His model showed the effects of the letter.
People denying that the letter had an impact really fucking infuriate me, because you are literally being so stupid that you are making it easier for the FBI to influence future elections. Do people not understand the ramifications of the nation's law enforecement arm influencing an election?
I'm not saying other mistakes weren't made, but the public has to be angry about the FBI's involvement, otherwise they will get even more blatant about it in the future. There also has to be a political climate for whistleblowers within the FBI to comeout and prevent or inhibit the impact of these kinds of things in the future.
I'm just as mad as anyone else and there were other mistakes, but if you think the letter didn't have a significant impact, with the available data, you are a fucking idiot. So much of a fucking idiot that you should lose the right to criticize other people for being dumb enough to vote trump.
People denying that the letter had an impact really fucking infuriate me, because you are literally being so stupid that you are making it easier for the FBI to influence future elections. Do people not understand the ramifications of the nation's law enforecement arm influencing an election?
I'm not saying other mistakes weren't made, but the public has to be angry about the FBI's involvement, otherwise they will get even more blatant about it in the future. There also has to be a political climate for whistleblowers within the FBI to comeout and prevent or inhibit the impact of these kinds of things in the future.
I'm just as mad as anyone else and there were other mistakes, but if you think the letter didn't have a significant impact, with the available data, you are a fucking idiot. So much of a fucking idiot that you should lose the right to criticize other people for being dumb enough to vote trump.
Dash_Riprock
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NoRéN;224129289 said:
^^^^^THIS^^^^^^
I'm so glad I don't have to see the YASS QUEEN shit anymore. Just like practically everyone else, I bought into the story that she would easily win but the whole queen and abuela shit was obnoxious.
Air Zombie Meat
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In the end we are with her. We all lost.
Frustrated_me
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My god this was so annoying.
HillaryGAF was insufferable, they definitely need to take some blame. Their real life counterparts were just as annoying. Never wanted to listen, always loving in their bubble.
All of those points resonate with people who live in cities, yes. But what about outside?
Well, Trump is generally unliked. Though most people viewed him as funny, not a thread. Him winning was something that surprised the majority here, no matter who they supported. It looked especially bad for him in the last weeks.
Now, Hillary is another topic. The majority here without a doubt put Hillary above Trump. However, quite a lot didn't like Hillary Clinton at all for various reasons. Some didn't vote, some voted as depressed voters as Moore called them. There are a lot of issues with Hillary, such as her looking disingenuous (heavy and awfully transparent pandering, talking about taking the high road, but kicking low several times), focused on herself ("I'm with Her",, "her turn"), being pure establishment (corporate backed, DNC pushing way too hard for her against Bernie, Debbie Wasserman Schulz) and unreliable (history flip flopping issues and apologizing for being on the wrong side).
A part of this was the behaviour of the supporters. Now, you shouldn't judge a candidate just on their supporters. Trump isn't a bad pick because his supporters are assholes, it's because he is insane and endanger us all when he got power. Same with everyone. But there was a systematic problem with Hillary supporters here on GAF and in other places, where they tried to force party unity and did so by shutting down criticism of her. As people here state, people who didn't openly and loudly stood for Hillary were dogpilled by PoliGAF and pressured and shamed into voting for her. Bernie supporters was told that they weren't needed. It was messy.
I'm not surprised. I'm sure many people didn't feel comfortable bringing up their issues with her when she was the only thing standing between Trump and the Whitehouse.
I've voted Democrat my whole like and I never liked her. I just didn't post about it much in OT because I didn't want to get banned.
After the nomination I was for her, but only because there was no practical alternative.
This letter is embarrassing. Michael Moore is right, they should all resign.
chillybright
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you got be kidding me.
And yet, in light of the current reality, completely justified.
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