But Wally isn't Barry's son. They're not blood related. Bart is Barry's grandson though. If you were going to retcon a character to be Barry's son, why not someone who makes more sense?
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But Wally isn't Barry's son. They're not blood related. Bart is Barry's grandson though. If you were going to retcon a character to be Barry's son, why not someone who makes more sense?
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New Rogues
He (Inertia) recruited Captain Cold, Abra Kadabra, Weather Wizard, Mirror Master, Pied Piper, Heat Wave, and the Trickster, and they began the construction of what he claimed to be a device to stop time on the site of the Getty Center. The idea being that once time was stopped they would have the freedom to commit crimes without being caught.[4]
Once the plan was put into action, the Rogues attracted the attention of The Flash, but it was soon revealed that this was Inertia's intention all along: the machine they were building did not stop time, its function was to drain the Speed Force from the Flash (Bart Allen) and transfer it to Inertia, so he could regain natural speed powers and no longer be dependent on Velocity 9.[5]
Though Bart did lose his speed, the Pied Piper and Abra Kadabra caught on to Inertia's betrayal and subdued him, before subduing the Flash. Inertia broke away in an attempt to reach the machine and prevent Bart's girlfriend from releasing the Speed Force, only to be tackled and beaten by a raging Flash. As he lay subdued, the other Rogues killed Bart.[6]
Once the plan was put into action, the Rogues attracted the attention of The Flash, but it was soon revealed that this was Inertia's intention all along: the machine they were building did not stop time, its function was to drain the Speed Force from the Flash (Bart Allen) and transfer it to Inertia, so he could regain natural speed powers and no longer be dependent on Velocity 9.[5]
Though Bart did lose his speed, the Pied Piper and Abra Kadabra caught on to Inertia's betrayal and subdued him, before subduing the Flash. Inertia broke away in an attempt to reach the machine and prevent Bart's girlfriend from releasing the Speed Force, only to be tackled and beaten by a raging Flash. As he lay subdued, the other Rogues killed Bart.[6]
morningbus
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They've been loose with following comic continuity so far, so I'm not sure why they'd have to be particularly rigid now.
Barry is Wally's uncle in most comics, which would require family members that don't exist anyway.
Thank you kindly good sir.
Because it's a pretty big part of Wally's character that he isn't related to Barry? Especially not his son. That'd completely change the character, whereas Bart fits a bit more. Or you could use Barry's actual son, Don. Just seems like shoehorning Wally in where he doesn't fit.
Wally is Iris' nephew. He becomes Barry's nephew when they marry, but Barry and Wally aren't blood related.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Understood. I just don't think it matters as much as the current Barry's personality cribs a lot from the Wally West everyone loves from the comics.
I imagine, as with most things, it depends on the version we're talking about. If they introduce Wally on this show, he'll probably be Iris' cousin. However, in most comic continuities Wally is Iris' nephew, which would necessitate Iris having a brother or sister, obviously.
People don't just like Wally for his personality (which is played up in the DCAU), but a lot of his best stories involves how he deals with the legacy of Barry Allen. That's one of the defining traits of the character, and ironically helped him step out of the shadow of Barry.
Just seems like a huge rewrite to remove key elements from a fan favorite character when you've got characters like Bart or Don who fit the part a lot better. Just so you can use the Wally West name on a character who would effectively be completely different.
Wiktor
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Speedsters can't really operate on full speed all the time. It would make them go insane. Even in a fight, imagine you hit someone and then wait an hour for his body to fall into the ground. Heck..anytime he actually wants to boast to enemies..he needs to drop out of superspeed. Otherwise pure talking is impossibl.
Any kind of human interaction demands you to operate at normal speeds, so it;s natural they can get surprised from time to time, since human speed is the default for them.
Any kind of human interaction demands you to operate at normal speeds, so it;s natural they can get surprised from time to time, since human speed is the default for them.
Ironically in the comics they show that if that speedsters get bored, they actually speed up which causes time to effectively drag for them. Adrenaline helps them control their speed and slow down.
Not quite sure how the idea suggested contravenes with Wally dealing with Barry's legacy/exiting his shadow. I mean if anything it makes it more potent, and ties in with Barry's daddy issues from S1.
Ah, so Speedforce is like a on/off superpowered status? That makes a lot of sense in the context of some situations where I scratched my head in comicbooks.
I oriented myself often at "The Ballad of Barry Allen" and I really like the concept that Flash is bored of the world because everything is moving so slow, so boring for him. I also remember how excited Barry was in Young Justice when Impulse appeared and he finally could talk fast freely with someone.
A big part of Wally's story is that he has pretty weak parents and that the Flash/Barry/Iris were there for him as he grew up. Not having a tragic origin story is part of the character. He's not driven by grief or something absurd, he's driven purely by Barry's good example.
How does turning Wally into an abandoned time traveller stay true to that narrative? Again, that's more or less describing Barry's actual son.
Deadstarone
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I love the speed steal gimmick, it's primarily Wally's trick though.
This is the most epic occasion of it, imo.
It's great that after taking Bart and Jay's speed, it's still not enough. He has to pull out the Speedforce Equation (3X2(9YZ)4A) after if I remember correctly.
It'll be great if they pull this out sometime in the future of the show when there are more speedsters around.
Side note - I think Zoom's sonic boom snaps are so fucking cool.
This is the most epic occasion of it, imo.
It's great that after taking Bart and Jay's speed, it's still not enough. He has to pull out the Speedforce Equation (3X2(9YZ)4A) after if I remember correctly.
It'll be great if they pull this out sometime in the future of the show when there are more speedsters around.
Side note - I think Zoom's sonic boom snaps are so fucking cool.
Not completely in order, but for those who want a lesson on why Zoom is fucking awesome:
http://imgur.com/a/GqOwA
This is his twisted way of helping Wally.
Joe West let his daughters best friend stay with them when his mother died and dad was arrested. I see no scenario they can plausibly give us for Joe not doing the same thing for Wally, if the situation with his parents was bad. So automatically the show has to address that, and it seems like it'd be even more complicated than 'time traveller.
The show has been playing pretty coy with Joe's family history, I'm sure that's something that actually intend to delve into.
IIRC Wally specifically says his parents are not bad people, they're just not very good parents.
Jorok Goldblade
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Quicksilver has a top speed somewhere between Mach 4 and 5, and is "always on." This is how much it messes him up:
The full Scene
Barry can break light speed. He can run fast enough to break time or the barriers between universes. Imagine what being "always on" would do to him.
Wow that's messed up. Zoom seems like he is indeed awesome.
Rajack
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Zoom is one twisted son of a bitch.
TheVampire
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How does Zoom go against Superman?
I know he is faster but if Superman managed to get a hold of him couldn't he not escape from his grasp due to his strength?
BKatastrophe
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Vibrate through anything at high frequency
Me too, i would like a ticket on the hype express
Even though i hardly posted in here (sorry about that) i love you all flash-gaf.
I'll do my best to post more next season.
There's still next season.
Deadstarone
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Zoom isn't a speedster, he can slow or speed up time relative to himself. I didn't read his fight with WW and Superman, but I don't see how it'd even be possible for either of them to even touch him.
Wally had to stop time to fight Zoom for real.
So fast that Superman appears to be standing still. And Superman has superhuman reaction times and speed. Unlike Flash however, Zoom can't steal speed because his powers are time based. If Superman got a hit in he'd win, but that's a pretty big if.
Of course Wonder Woman has beaten Zoom by predicting where he'd move and then getting him with the Lasso. So it's depending on how the writer wants to play it like a lot of comic battles.
Vermillion
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Just catching up on old episodes. Iris is the worst, that is all.
Definitely havent heard that here... guess thats covers your impression of the older episodes ? ;-)
OdysseusVA
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Today is the day, y'all!
Higher the speed, higher the mass. To a time stopped Superman, Zoom's essentially got infinite infinite mass punches.
Wiktor
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Crazy.
But how can he even compete with Barry? I mean..if all he does is slow time..should he be wiped out after like couple dozen punches with Barry? Let alone running all around the Earth. Speedforce seems to be feeding Flash's endurance, where does Zoom's endless endurance come from?Also...shouldn't every step he take be infinite mass kick ?
Crazy.
Also...shouldn't every step he take be infinite mass kick ?
Zoom is a Wally villain. And he doesn't really have a limit and how much he can slow time. So he's effectively always ahead of Wally because no matter how fast Flash goes he can slow down time further. From the scan on the other page:
And again just to emphasis: this brutal mother fucker considers the Flash a friend and thinks that killing the people he loves will make him a better hero.
Vermillion
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Wiktor
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What I mean is...no matter how much you slow time...even the best marathon runner won't last more than couple dozen miles running with decent speed, let alone spriting. It shouldn't matter if he crossed that distance in second or hours. He still needed to run that distance. Is it just the case of comicbook logic breaking apart?
The comics didn't bother answering it. It's assumed his powers protect from extreme exertion. But yeah it's a hole that Johns didn't bother to explain.
He could also sleep for 8 hours in 0.0000000000001 second if he wanted to.
It's pretty much applicable to all comics and movies and fictional TV shows. The Flash TV writers admit they just think of something that would sort of make sense, give it a Cisco movie reference and leave it at that. There's not a lot of shows which have Ph.Ds and MDs on their cast to keep things scientifically accurate. 99% of people don't care.
The big exception to this is Futurama. That writing team has an incredible pedigree of doctors, masters, Ivy League vets and a vice presidential daughter. An episode actually formed the basis for a mathematical theorem. But they still indulge in scientifically inaccurate nonsense just because it's fun.
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DrROBschiz
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Dude this show threw logic out the window damn near on the first few episodes
I gave up on the immersion factor. Thats not what they are going for anyways. This is more straight comic entertainment, drama (which isn't great either, and story.
I am enjoying what they are doing here. Pretty impressive... flaws and all. Still having fun watching and you cant deny the draw of certain key cast members!
He stops time, goes to eat something and take a nap, restarts time. Wally doesn't know better.
And The Simpsons.
Xamtheking
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Get HYPE!
Also,
Also,
if Barry can go into the past, why can't he go into the future?
Xamtheking
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All the speed in the world doesn't matter if you can outwit your opponent
Well, if you go by the comics, he totally can.
Bart Allen in the comics is Barry's grandson who was born in the 30th century. And no, I don't mean great great great grandson, Barry went into the future with Iris and had kids there. (in the comics) I wonder if we'll see Bart at some point, maybe in season 3 or something.
Zoom's goal isn't to kill The Flash. It's to make him better. So he never goes 100% time stop because he wants Flash to comprehend what he's doing. In the end Flash manages to force him into a time rip/loop that's created as a byproduct of Zoom's powers, effectively freezing him.
Of course he comes back later and there's a grand fight between Barry, Wally, Eobard and Hunter but that's a story for a different day.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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You monster.
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