oh god heroes reborn has so much potential with their effects. Why did you make me get hyped?'
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oh god heroes reborn has so much potential with their effects. Why did you make me get hyped?'
BKatastrophe
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The Outsider
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Amazing finale. Amazing season. And I can't wait for more.
Also, I like to think my face during the entire finale looked a bit like my avatar.
Also, I like to think my face during the entire finale looked a bit like my avatar.
Eddie. Eddie killed those people.
It is the speed he has to hit the particle. It is the collision that creates the wormhole that allows him to time travel. It is not Barry's speed.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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LyleLanley
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Awful.
BKatastrophe
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The whole bit with Everyman was confusing as shit. Like, that means Eobard plotted an entire conversation with Cisco and perform this exact motion in order to scare Cisco. I understand Eobard is a master planner, but still. Planning an entire conversation? That's some Code Geass bullshit (emphasis on the "bullshit).
That being the case, it was just a coincidence that Eobard's plotted conversation was similar to Cisco's alternate timeline death scene.
Merlyn may think he's hot shit in front of anyone not named Ra's but he'd be kissing Wells boots after a minute with him in the same room.
Yeah if Merlyn was in the same room with the Wells we had this season I don't think he'd hold a candle to him and I really like Merlyn. Wells/Thawne was just too good at what he did. You could say the only real mistake wells made was verbally torturing Eddie but even then it was the conversation with Stein that put Eddie on the path to shoot himself. If Stein didn't have that conversation with Eddie then Thawne would've killed everyone out of anger when Barry stopped him from going to the future.
Honestly, that doesn't bother me at all. Is it really harder to accept than superpowers or magic? Comic books and their related works been doing exactly that sort of thing for decades. It's old hat.
Then RF somehow comes out of the singularity and tries to kill Stein only to kill Ronnie who sacrifies himself to save Prof. Stein instead, making Caitlyn go evil as Killer Frost.
Man I just ruined Season 2, sorry guys.
BKatastrophe
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It's not any harder to accept, but it implies a level of planning that I dislike. That means Eobard created every possible response to every single one of Cisco's responses, told them to Everyman who memorized those, and carried everything out in proper fashion according to Eobard's plan. All in a very short amount of time.
It's a stupid level of planning that just kind of ruins it. That means that he anticipated every single scenario in a single conversation, but can't anticipate Cisco having powers and remembering an alternate timeline? He clearly knew about it to some degree. He definitely gave off the vibe (hehe) that he had some insight into who Cisco would become. He couldn't anticipate Barry not saving his mother and instead turning on him? Eobard couldn't anticipate Eddie getting the idea to commit suicide in order to stop him?
It creates this idea that Eobard can quickly concoct a master plan for a single scenario that he also anticipated occurring, and yet somehow not able to anticipate certain other things? It's this degree of planning that says "there is no way anyone should get the jump on this guy, because he's PREPARED FOR ANYTHING." It creates a character that, in all likelihood, shouldn't be able to be taken by surprise or beaten. When said character is beaten/taken by surprise, it creates a "well that's bullshit" scenario, because we've already seen how forward-thinking and powerful the character is.
It's not about magic/super powers, it's about a writing trope that inevitably leads to moments that severely damage the writing in certain aspects. Now granted, a lot of examples I provided could be argued away (he didn't anticipate Barry coming back because of the amount of time that had passed, he thought he had discouraged Eddie enough to not do anything, he may not know anything about Cisco and was legitimately surprised by him getting powers, etc), but it doesn't change that a character with that degree of expertise effectively breaks any gravity or weight to certain story moments involving them.
EroticSushi
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I honestly forgot that we were only on Season 1 until this finale. Love how fast paced this show is. So much happened in just this 1 season alone.
Wiktor
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Unlike Wells though..Merlyn gets shit done for real.
Indeed, the guy accomplished two goals in the first season finale despite losing, still managed to lose his useless son and destroy the glades. Wells just got erased from existence despite winning the fight with Barry. Merlyn would be kissing Wells boot and beat him.
Vermillion
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Nope, I'm with you lol.
They have to get Merlyn into a crossover episode of Flash at some point.
FLASH: Merlyn, I know you're evil but Oliver hasn't killed you so can you bring Eddie back to life?
MERLYN: No.
FLASH: Please.
MERLYN: Oh, okay.
(Merlyn throws Eddie into a Lazarus Pit. He has to pull him out because Eddie is too much of a beta to pull himself out.)
MERLYN: God, just like Tommy.
FLASH: What?
MERLYN: Nothing.
FLASH: Eddie are you okay, Eddie are you okay, are you okay Eddie?
Nothing happens.
FLASH: Probably for the best, one of his relatives from the future is evil and shit.
FLASH: Merlyn, I know you're evil but Oliver hasn't killed you so can you bring Eddie back to life?
MERLYN: No.
FLASH: Please.
MERLYN: Oh, okay.
(Merlyn throws Eddie into a Lazarus Pit. He has to pull him out because Eddie is too much of a beta to pull himself out.)
MERLYN: God, just like Tommy.
FLASH: What?
MERLYN: Nothing.
FLASH: Eddie are you okay, Eddie are you okay, are you okay Eddie?
Nothing happens.
FLASH: Probably for the best, one of his relatives from the future is evil and shit.
they need to rework that look then asap because she looked like a party city sexy Elsa ripoff
One step closer to the musical episode.
whos elsa? The frozen girl? ( Can you tell I didn't watch the movie )
Damnit DC :\
Could've at least had her look like KF in Injustice.
Except Caitlyn can't sing worth a damn
Wiktor
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This will only make such episode better
you leave that poor girl alone
Reizo Ryuu
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Zoom's reaction to the OG flash helmet really makes me believe it was also a nod to Kingdom Come flash, he really wouldn't have any reason to be scared otherwise.
Cisco will for sure.
oh fuck
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
I can't wait until Captain Cold meets Killer Frost.
*Record player begins in background*
Ice Ice Baby
Wreck-It Ralph
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I can't wait until Captain Cold meets Killer Frost.
But Captain Cold's gonna be off doing Legends stuff.
Hours Left
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That version of Cavanagh is dead though. It'll be good guy Wells now.
Though anything that might potentially kill Merlyn is fine by me. Barrowman is great, but his character was one of the worst aspects of Arrow S3. I can't stand him.
Captain Cold managed to get on a train, while it was moving, without any doors being open. I think he can be on two shows at once.
Napoleonthechimp
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Time travel!
He can disappear and do 10 years worth of Legends stuff then reappear as a transformed hero one second after he originally left.
And then they attack Barry immediately.
He's not a hero, he's a legend. There's a difference.
His adventures on the Legends of Tomorrow are just to teach him the teamwork skills required to lead the Rogues.
ertitoagus
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imho first part of the next flash/arrow seasons are going to introduce the facts that will end in heroes of tomorrow.
Just downloaded the app, and it only shows last 5 episodes or so. So that won't work
LOT S1 really has to end with the team being all 'yay' and then all 'where's Cold?'
And the reveal that he's stolen a time-machine and him and The Rogues are going to go steal the Holy Grail.
Some comic stuff, that could be considered spoilers as it touches on stuff that might happen in the show...
My understanding from people talking about the comics, is that in the comics Thawne is supposed to be from much, much further in the future (25th century). And in that future he's The Flash's biggest fan.
So much of a fan that he finds a way to go back in time to meet his idol. But that process messes with his mind, and while in the past he learns he becomes a villan and then he goes crazy.
So our Eobard, from 136 years in the future is likely born after our Flash is dead/gone (the Crisis newspaper). Maybe he's the Flash's biggest fan, and uses some device to go visit him and things go sideways.
Here's the wiki for comic Reverse-Flash, check out the Professor Zoom bit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse-Flash
So much of a fan that he finds a way to go back in time to meet his idol. But that process messes with his mind, and while in the past he learns he becomes a villan and then he goes crazy.
So our Eobard, from 136 years in the future is likely born after our Flash is dead/gone (the Crisis newspaper). Maybe he's the Flash's biggest fan, and uses some device to go visit him and things go sideways.
Here's the wiki for comic Reverse-Flash, check out the Professor Zoom bit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse-Flash
Part of the issue is there are several evil speedsters, and none of their stories 100% match Wells/Thawne's story so far. Season 2 will be very interesting, can't wait
.Now where'd I leave my Cosmic Treadmill... I swear I put it around here somewhere...
BKatastrophe
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I mean Eddie got pulled into a singularity.They have to get Merlyn into a crossover episode of Flash at some point.
FLASH: Merlyn, I know you're evil but Oliver hasn't killed you so can you bring Eddie back to life?
MERLYN: No.
FLASH: Please.
MERLYN: Oh, okay.
(Merlyn throws Eddie into a Lazarus Pit. He has to pull him out because Eddie is too much of a beta to pull himself out.)
MERLYN: God, just like Tommy.
FLASH: What?
MERLYN: Nothing.
FLASH: Eddie are you okay, Eddie are you okay, are you okay Eddie?
Nothing happens.
FLASH: Probably for the best, one of his relatives from the future is evil and shit.
ertitoagus
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could it be barry is own grandfather?
Xamtheking
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What are you even
I can't
Run, Barry, run takes on a new meaning.
Freewheelin'
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I was really hoping that RF and Flash would have a fight on the treadmill, lol but alas 
RoninChaos
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I don't get why Thawne stabbed Barry's mom. He's vibrated his hand through people before, why use the knife on Barry's mom? I don't think Thawne intended to frame Barry's dad, at least it was never mentioned, and thawne said he killed her in a fit of rage since he couldn't kill Barry. So why use the knife?
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