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The Flash S3 |OT| It was me, Barry.
- Thread starter ZeroX03
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Not my cup of tea.
That is a good point. It is just frustrating to have shit like this happen every other episode.
If anyone is interested in killing half an hour, Keiynan does a nice interview. Always forget he's British, haha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdrDfkCBzQQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdrDfkCBzQQ
Don't bother, dude. This show is trash to them and they won't accept anything else.
Septimus Prime
Member
There are exceptions ofc. But lately most CW shows after the first season or two have been poor.
So it is either good or trash? If I don't like a show, it doesn't mean it is trash. Just not for me.
As of now I am just frustrated with how Flash, Supergirl and Arrow have turned to shit. Arrow might have redeemed itself after season 3, but it lost me a long time ago.
infinit777
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I think it makes perfect sense. The reason Barry became savatar was because everyone treated him like shit because he wasn't Barry. Barry hoped to fix that by showing him that they can make things work and he could belong there.
I loved the season. I don't get why people have so many issues with it.
I like calling out idiotic opinions. It cheers my day.
Damn it. Messed up the numbers. To be fair, who keeps track of all those seasons.
The CW aired 15 shows this year, 12 which returned from last year. The Flash was terrible and Supernatural couldn't match an amazing S11 while still being quite good even though the start of the season wasn't convincing, but literally every other one is about even or better than the previous year. The exceptions seem to cover almost every show. Even Supergirl wasn't really worse than last year, it wasn't a particularly good show in the first place.
He's not British lmao
Oops, Australian, haha. His accent isn't crazy strong enough for me to place it right away. My bad.
I can't even tell where some Americans are from in my own country. Apparently, I have an accent being from Michigan. That's what my friends in Seattle say.
Does it seem in-character for everyone to treat SaviBarry like shit?
There are basically three potential options for why that would be the case.
- Everyone understandably acts awkward around SaviBarry, because that would be awkward, but he is "damaged" and takes it personally, lashing out.
- SaviBarry is "damaged" and does something bad, causing everyone to legitimately shun him.
- Terrible writing. In a world where everyone is empathetic and used to duplicates because they've met doppelgangers from other dimensions, they just hate SaviBarry for no reason.
Cases 1 and 2 make sense, because that one scene with Barry, SaviBarry, and Iris was really skeevy and had me questioning how they could all co-exist, but Iris would've been dead in the SaviBarry future, negating that particular catalyst.
Case 3 makes the most sense to me, given that the writers didn't bother explaining how SaviBarry gave people their powers or controlled Julien.
BLOODED_hands
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Nah you aren't the only one. I want one too!
I don't know anymore. Maybe the Speed Force finally decided he was capable of being a Speedster and gave him powers permanently.
The show constantly makes up their own Speed Force rules but rarely reinforce it. It's just whatever you think is canon in your head.
Septimus Prime
Member
Barry fucks up time willy-nilly, and he gets to go to Speedster Heaven. Wally and Jay, meanwhile, get to go to Speedster Hell because Barry played fast and loose with time. Seems fair?
Regginator
Member
Does one age in the Speed Force? Maybe we'll see Barry like this in season 4
lol
lol
No, they couldn't have. You can't take the characters that audiences have spent seasons getting to know and love and then suddenly upend all of it for an extended period of time. You would be expecting them to enjoy a completely different show.
But they already did that with emo Cisco and meta Caitlyn and a new Wells
Heyoo
Emo Cisco only existed for a few episodes.
Wells was an entirely different character from an alternate Earth, a concept that audiences were already familiar with and willing to accept.
Killer Frost's alternate person and her motivations were handled poorly, but the idea that Flashpoint changed things in the main timeline was given enough explanation.
Imagine a giant statue for H.R. at the Council HQ in honor of his sacrifice. I'd guess that Harry would be in charge.
I've been watching too much Rick & Morty.
I'm gonna watch the finale again this weekend. On first (live) watch, I found it a disappointing ending to a disappointing season 3. I did enjoy how Savitar Bear seemed to be changing and accepting of his once friends - then I LOL'd when I realized he'd punked the team completely. I liked the forest scenario, and I really got a charge when Jay Garrick came blasting out of the speed force unexpectedly!
So many little thing bugged me about this ep. I didn't buy for 1 second that Iris was actually dead so there was little drama there. I don't like how time is running out and everybody is standing around doing their CW drama conversations. And I don't understand how Iris shot an already-speeded-up Savitar Barry! He had already started to move towards Barry Prime. She shouldn't have had time to pull the trigger let alone the bullet hit him right? Wasn't there an episode in a prior season where Barry got shot in the back of the neck, but just as it touched his skin he speeded up and averted the death?
I didn't like the Speed Force demanding somebody for its stupid SF prison and it calling as Barry's mom. Its like The Flash just can't win but is doomed to tragedy in this series. Cut it out!
So many little thing bugged me about this ep. I didn't buy for 1 second that Iris was actually dead so there was little drama there. I don't like how time is running out and everybody is standing around doing their CW drama conversations. And I don't understand how Iris shot an already-speeded-up Savitar Barry! He had already started to move towards Barry Prime. She shouldn't have had time to pull the trigger let alone the bullet hit him right? Wasn't there an episode in a prior season where Barry got shot in the back of the neck, but just as it touched his skin he speeded up and averted the death?
I didn't like the Speed Force demanding somebody for its stupid SF prison and it calling as Barry's mom. Its like The Flash just can't win but is doomed to tragedy in this series. Cut it out!
HR was great, but the team has had harder losses, and they honored him with a funeral. Featuring every person he's ever met on Earth 1
.HR was great, but the team has had harder losses, and they honored him with a funeral. Featuring every person he's ever met on Earth 1
Nobody cares about Henry or Nora, they hated Eobard before he died, Ronnie already died once and was only around for a few episodes
Face it, HR's death is the most devastating in the entire Arrowverse
BLOODED_hands
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It really is ;_;
The dude was what lit the room up! Then they just move on like it was nothing. The same goes for Iris for shooting one version of her husband in the back. For her it was just another tuesday.
Also.... Does nobody care about what just happened to Barry Allen? I'm talking about the citizens in front of STAR Labs btw. Sure, let's just all willy nilly go out and watch the Speed Force Storm without our disguises. To hell with it! What about the safer and more calm citizens who could have perhaps saw them all interacting with the Speed Force?
Or am I to assume that the citizens of Vancouver just don't give any fucks and would rather want to escape from the lightning bolts? Is it just another night in Vancouver for them?
I mean, they did give him a funeral. Also it's Barry's fault, making it all about him immediately after said funeral with his whole stupid Speed Force nonsense.
Now this is what got me fucked up, didn't know Iris had it in her, much less not really making any fuss about it afterwards...
BLOODED_hands
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Lol. Then they just laughed it off near the ending. If I was Barry, I should probably have a backup plan in case she goes rogue or in case she gets meta powers. Just saiyan.
What did HR tell Barry to tell Cisco?
In a moment like that, everyone's too worried about their own lives to watch what a group of people are doing off in the distance. Hell, they might not even have been aware of what was going on to Team Flash. Seeing those people falling down was funny as hell though.
Fixed.
In a moment like that, everyone's too worried about their own lives to watch what a group of people are doing off in the distance. Hell, they might not even have been aware of what was going on to Team Flash. Seeing those people falling down was funny as hell though.
BLOODED_hands
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I think HR just wanted Barry to tell Crisco that he was proud of him or something? Something along those lines.
True but there has to be one person who caught it all on a iphone or galaxy. The citizens of Vancouver have seen some shit haven't they?
Dubbedinenglish
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"The Earth 15 weed is under my cot"
BLOODED_hands
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Actually he said, "it's about ethics in Speed Forcism."
Hours Left
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I'm glad Iris didn't die, and I'm fine with H.R. being the sacrificial lamb. There were death flags for him all season anyway, and they were setting up his heroic moment basically since he first joined the team.
That being said, the finale was really ham fisted and had contradiction after contradiction. The only other thing I think they got (mostly) right was that Barry had to pay his penance by entering the speed force. (Yet his speed force prison is some dreamy heaven where he gets to be with his mother?? That's dumb.) Anyway, I hope the next season will reflect a bit on this season's missteps. I didn't hate it as much as some others, but it definitely had a lot of rough spots.
P.S. Cisco and Gypsy are not enjoyable together. They are really trying to make them a thing, but I see no spark in their scenes at all.
That being said, the finale was really ham fisted and had contradiction after contradiction. The only other thing I think they got (mostly) right was that Barry had to pay his penance by entering the speed force. (Yet his speed force prison is some dreamy heaven where he gets to be with his mother?? That's dumb.) Anyway, I hope the next season will reflect a bit on this season's missteps. I didn't hate it as much as some others, but it definitely had a lot of rough spots.
P.S. Cisco and Gypsy are not enjoyable together. They are really trying to make them a thing, but I see no spark in their scenes at all.
Well yes, he is named Wells for once.
Cisco, reverse engineer this thing so that it can make me omnipotent throughout space and time. OR ELSE.
OKAY I'LL DO IT.
NO INSTEAD IT'S A SPEEDFORCE SKELETON KEY THAT WILL FREE JAY INSTEAD. GOTCHA!
They just don't care anymore in regards to the extent to which Cisco can something magical.
OKAY I'LL DO IT.
NO INSTEAD IT'S A SPEEDFORCE SKELETON KEY THAT WILL FREE JAY INSTEAD. GOTCHA!
They just don't care anymore in regards to the extent to which Cisco can something magical.
uh didn't savitor give it to him?
Hours Left
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That reminds me of Gypsy being able to randomly vibe Cisco with no trigger object because they have a "connection"..... :/
She has her love for him.
ClivePwned
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It seemed a slightly messy finale, leaping from scene to scene rather than flowing all that organically.
It doesn't matter if we think Barry serving time is silly, we know he'll be back next season, as will a new Wells. On balance, I'm looking forward to next season. but the wait won't be as painful as the cliffhanger really isn't as "OMG what happens next" as Seasons 1 and 2.
I like that HR got to go out on a heroic note and I look forward to Tom Cavanaugh's next take on the character (if there is to be one). Is Tom Felton sticking around next season? Are they going to prune back the cast like they have for Arrow?
It doesn't matter if we think Barry serving time is silly, we know he'll be back next season, as will a new Wells. On balance, I'm looking forward to next season. but the wait won't be as painful as the cliffhanger really isn't as "OMG what happens next" as Seasons 1 and 2.
I like that HR got to go out on a heroic note and I look forward to Tom Cavanaugh's next take on the character (if there is to be one). Is Tom Felton sticking around next season? Are they going to prune back the cast like they have for Arrow?
PerfectFlaw
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Barry: How are you holding up after having to kill my other self?
Iris: I'll probably feel bad about it later. Tee hee!
Also, I feel bad for Malfoy. He looked so full of hope whenever Caitlin came to the funeral, but she shut that shit down quick.
Dude was introduced to take Caitlin's place as guy who falls for the villain each season.