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The Formula 1 2014 Season |OT| Who Will Win? Nobody Nose
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Adam Scott Aukerman
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The Formula 1 2014 Season |OT2| Now Suitable for All Ages
nature boy
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Winner.
Maybe Pastor will be the first car he will meet on the racetrack
agreed.
Gonna be so much fun to watch the kid for that alone.
To be honest, with as much of an outsider casual opinion as I can muster, Verstappen's signing is bad for the sport.
How does it look to the public when a 17 year old can race in Formula 1? Either he destroys his career during his contract, or he blows us all away and it still looks bad on the sport. Some 'pinnacle' of global sport if a 17 year old can do it.
As for my own opinion, I still think it's dumb and stupid. Even if he does blow us away, I'll stand by it. Every time he makes a mistake he's going to be barraged with 'is it because you're too young?' and the answer will always be yes. There hasn't been a single rookie jump up from their first year of road racing to F1 and do well without thousands of testing miles. Kyviat looks good, but Marko didn't compare him to Senna.
How does it look to the public when a 17 year old can race in Formula 1? Either he destroys his career during his contract, or he blows us all away and it still looks bad on the sport. Some 'pinnacle' of global sport if a 17 year old can do it.
As for my own opinion, I still think it's dumb and stupid. Even if he does blow us away, I'll stand by it. Every time he makes a mistake he's going to be barraged with 'is it because you're too young?' and the answer will always be yes. There hasn't been a single rookie jump up from their first year of road racing to F1 and do well without thousands of testing miles. Kyviat looks good, but Marko didn't compare him to Senna.
It's more of a subjective thing really. I can still be justified in thinking that signing Verstappen at 17 is too early, even if he wins 17 races.
Basically, it's just me preparing to not flip-flop my opinion if he proves to be amazing next season. I'm expecting him to out perform Kvyat,
The first game i got for the playstation.
I dont really buy the argument that if he can drive at 17 then it devalues f1. Lots of sports have people competing that young and they are fine.
Is tennis not an elite sport because becker or sharapova could win wimbledon at 17?
Is football devalued because messi played in the champions league at 17?
I dont really buy the argument that if he can drive at 17 then it devalues f1. Lots of sports have people competing that young and they are fine.
Is tennis not an elite sport because becker or sharapova could win wimbledon at 17?
Is football devalued because messi played in the champions league at 17?
I don't think it devalues the sport, but I'm just hyopthesising that a not-so-devout fan could see reason for doubt in F1's elitism, after all, F1 is arguably the most elite sport in the world. Those sports you listed weren't devalued because they're sports that rely on the talent of the human body alone. F1 is another level above any feeder series, as we have seen from the many talented GP2 champions making it into F1 only to spend several seasons being mediocre. Alonso is almost twice Verstappen's age, lol.
I just find it funny that in the midst of F1's identity crisis Marko decided to hire a 17 year old. Especially now that they're talking about making the cars harder to drive.
We all know the closest he'll ever get is second in the WDC only to lose out to a German
massivekettle
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Not the same though. Football is a team sport. Tennis has had loads of teenage phenoms/champions (pretty much the majority of the GOATs have won GSs before the age of 20).
As for F1, it's a sport that developed so much over the past 30 years that a teenager is now fit to compete in it, something completely unthinkable even 15 years ago. Speaks volumes about his preparedness but also about how easy these cars are to drive.
They went the wrong way in the regs, IMO. They should have pushed for much more powerful turbos or naturally aspirated V10/12s (but "green" branded). Also should have pushed for much larger tyres at the back and force cars to rely on mechanical grip, not aerodynamics (by restricting aero development). Also, to make the cars faster in the corners, they probably should have been more aggressive on weight limit (back to the old 620kg limit). The increase in torque, reduction in aero stability would have made the cars much harder to drive.
I dont see verstappen's entry to F1 as much different to people like Alonso or Raikkonen.
Alonso joined as a teenager at a time when no one would accuse the cars of being too easy to drive. Raikkonen joined having only 23 previous car races to his name. If they can do it and early 2000s F1 wasn't too easy (infact its the heyday that many want to return to, including myself) then Verstappen should be able to join in 2014 without that being the case now.
Alonso joined as a teenager at a time when no one would accuse the cars of being too easy to drive. Raikkonen joined having only 23 previous car races to his name. If they can do it and early 2000s F1 wasn't too easy (infact its the heyday that many want to return to, including myself) then Verstappen should be able to join in 2014 without that being the case now.
It's an interesting point brought up about youth, but I think as long as they're not constantly causing accidents (lol Maldonado) or holding people up (lol Chilton) then there's not an issue. We saw with Schumi a few years back that age doesn't have to be a barrier in holding a drive for a top team, plus Alonso and Webber have shown you can be on that upper age limit and still put in solid (if not race-winning) drives.
massivekettle
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Well, Kimi was already 21 going on 22 at the time he got an F1 seat, a whole 4 years older than Max.
Alonso joined Minardi at age 19 and only joined a respectable outfit (Renault) at the age of 21, again 4 years older than Max. For highly touted prospects, F1 only becomes a reality at age 20-22 (Hamilton, Buemi, Alguersuari, Hulkenberg, Vettel, etc.) - Max is cutting 3 years off that, or 2 if you include the Kvyat precedent. That's huge.
Also, since 2010 or so, we have been in a golden era in terms of driver talent, making it theoretically harder to land an F1 seat (excluding the pay driver situation). Compare the 2014 grid to the 2001 for the lulz (Mazzacane, Burti, Enge, Zonta, Marques, Yoong, Bernoldi, JVerstappen, and somewhat washed up Alesi, Irvine).
Also, early 00s cars were relatively easy to drive given traction control, tyre wars and peak aero (aside from the exhaust blown double diffuser from 2010).
(Toro Rosso == Minardi)
If he's ready... he's ready... if he isn't... he isn't....
Why make arbitrary calls on his capabilities based on his age?
I'll give you that I am also nervous as fuck he doesn't fuck up because of his age. But he is pretty good. Red Bull aren't stupid, they have a good reason to do this... If it was a pay driver for Marussia or Caterham the age thing would be more of thing but still: in the end it would be more about capabilities rather than the age.
Max has now done:
A short run session in England to familiar himself with the RB8, done a few demo's in that RB8.
A full test day where he ran nearly 400KM in a STR
A couple of simiulator days at Red Bull (full days)
A couple of days of Formula Renault 3.5 at the Red Bull Ring
By the time 2015 season commences he probably already have done 5000KM in F1
brotkasten
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|OT2| PEGI 16
*thumbs up* i am looking forward to seeing verstappen. interested to see if he is that good as some people want one to believe
Mastah
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Way back when! My beautiful mum & I. She had me rockin a chain from day 1. Yep, I was a chubby baby, probably why she loved me so much. Thank you for loving me mum, I'm proud to say I'm your son
Is it even possible to include more hashtags?
Psychotext
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He could lose a bit of text and add a few. ##believeinthedream
Not when you see the markings on his back
massivekettle
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Welcome to last week.
Apparently, latest news is that Honda is encountering deeper/bigger problems than Renault.
That might pour some ice cold water on the rumors...
There should be a GAF1 podcast.
Sidepodcast used to be okay but I don't know if they're going any more. 5live Chequered Flag is pretty rote but it has interviews and stuff. Peter Windsor had his weird series going for a while but that was more of a vodcast (*vomits*) since it relied on a lot of pictures.
GiantBomb do a premium subscription podcast called Alt+F1 but unless you like Drew and Danny, it's kinda nonsense and they have literally no idea what they're talking about. It's kinda painful sometimes.
but but but but but but Honda McLaren will storm to the title because it Honda and they are the best and are awesome and amazing and Honda are the best at turbo engines but but but.
They really slowed down on the content in the past few years.
Their "An Aside With Joe" with Joe Saward is probably the best F1 podcast around in terms of insider information and real talk.
https://sidepodcast.com/category/an-aside-with-joe
Myoclonic Jerk
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|OT2| You're fired, no you're fired, no you! - Ferrari
Wax on suicide watch.
He's taken a far more realistic perspective regarding Mclaren's performance for months now
Wax Free Vanilla
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Autosprint is not a reliable source.
They've spun the turbo and fuel supplier story from that Japanese interview with Arai into the engine is unreliable, it's 3 months behind, it guzzles petrol, it's overweight and their energy recovery system is knackered.
They must be butthurt over Alonso leaving Ferrari up shit creek?
He forgot #godbless
Mastah
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Eddie Jordan on Alonso in 2015 (and few other things as well):
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/29422678
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/29422678
Alonso is now going to Caterham to turn them into a championship winning team and prove himself, I can exclusively reveal.
Along is quoted as saying: "How did you get this number? Stop calling me" but I can add that he said he liked the phallic shape of the car nose, or would have if the call had not been mysteriously cut off.
Along is quoted as saying: "How did you get this number? Stop calling me" but I can add that he said he liked the phallic shape of the car nose, or would have if the call had not been mysteriously cut off.
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