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The Formula 1 2014 Season |OT| Who Will Win? Nobody Nose
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Wax Free Vanilla
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No way will McLaren start next season with Mag / Van, Button will stay / retire / swap seats with Alonso.
Ronbo in an interview from the other day:
When Button crushes KMag this season, I can see a But / Alo lineup for Honda's return.
Pretty sad. Alonso winning a title with Ferrari would be a dream come true. Schumacher era stuff. Oh well.
Yeah.. Alonso's patience is wearing thin though. I'm given the impression that Schumacher was much more team-orientated back in the day, and with the aid of Ross Brawn created a very powerful, efficient workforce.
Alonso may have the odd samurai quote every now and again to motivate Ferrari, but I don't see the same level of commitment in terms of getting the maximum out of the organisation as a whole. He's much more focused on his own ambitions and immediate prospects.
Yagami_Sama
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Two rookies on McLaren next year. don't seem to be a good choice. Magnussen was good in the first race but now I am feeling that it more lucky than skill, I hope that is just an impression.
I particularly don't like Alonso, but I can live with that for one season.
I particularly don't like Alonso, but I can live with that for one season.
You speak English better than I do and I'm from AustraliaNeoGAF, now with more reading comprehension!
Sorry for the confusion, English is not my first language.
Nicktendo86
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Merc, rb, MCL, fer, fi
fu3lfr3nzy
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RB should be DQ'd from this years Constructors Championship. Suspending a race or two wont do shit because they're gonna continue doing whatever the fuck they want because if their point of view "they're not doing anything wrong"
I hope the FIA hits them hard. Shit, throw a 100m fine while you're at it.
I hope the FIA hits them hard. Shit, throw a 100m fine while you're at it.
MCL is not going with two unexperienced drivers next year. From what I heard, BUT got a golden payout promised to basically be the development driver next year. If, - and that's a big if, as MCL is known to stand to their word -, they´d change their mind to go cheap, than they'd go with ALO.
It might well be that ALO ends up at MCL - but once again, guys, please: EJ is the biggest chatterbox/fishwife in the circus. Don´t take anything he says for granted. There might be diamonds among the manure, but they are sparse.
Thanks for explaining that to me. Not having enough fuel at the end of a race or qualy is against the rules as well right? And not bringing the car to parc ferme after a race. Or giving a lift to another driver back to the pits. Or going off track to gain position.
We should disqualify all teams from the WCC every time they do such a thing.
brotkasten
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Brundle pretty much said what I thought about Domenicali.
"Sorry to hear Stefano Domenicali has stepped down at Ferrari. Like Martin Whitmarsh he's an approachable good guy, which means little in F1"
Both of them were nice guys and didn't accomplish as much as their asshole competition.
"Sorry to hear Stefano Domenicali has stepped down at Ferrari. Like Martin Whitmarsh he's an approachable good guy, which means little in F1"
Both of them were nice guys and didn't accomplish as much as their asshole competition.
Pole time is the new bonus. It just delays growth 1 week, which is fine because everyone is flush with money in the last few races anyway.
You should've given it time. This year they're making it start slower because the previous two years people were overflowing with cash with about 5 weeks to go. The money grows pretty fast. By midway we should be able to afford top drivers, and by the last few races, we can probably field a pretty stacked team.
Then again, I've been much better at this game than the Castrol one we did last year. Predicting finishing orders isn't my thing. I can read engine and chassis trends pretty well though. A tip for next year is to review all the winter testing results before Melbourne, and pick the early season dark horse as engine or chassis, then fill in the rest around that, as budget allows. I've successfully ridden Force India to great early season starts on the leaderboards all 3 seasons we've used F1M. People sleep on them every year, but when it's not Hulk smashing preconceptions of the car this season, it was Sutil doing it in others. Y'all seen RedShift Racing up there before.
Force India is a really interesting team. I feel their a works deal away from stomping with the big dogs. PEACE.
prettyvacant77
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So we should hear the FIA decision on Red Bull's appeal at some point today, what does everyone think are the likely outcomes?
- Race DQ upheld and no further action?
- Race DQ upheld, further race suspensions and fine??
- Entire season DQ and mega-fine???
- Slap on the wrist, DQ quashed????
Because they're Red Bull and might leave the sport OMG!
Upheld + probation, I´d say.
20% and less than 0%.
If they leave, then to start their own series a la Red Bull Air Race.
I think an added probation would be fine. No piling up of penalties, but showing the FIA is serious, and doesn´t want RBR to repeat their mistake.
The judge judges if they should be regarded as having breached the rules, but who determines the punishment, anyway? Does that go back to the FIA rules folks or does the judge make a call?
Yeah this is my view too. If they do it again, DQ'd from the race again, no appeal.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113461
Looks like they're upholding the exclusion and nothing more.
Looks like they're upholding the exclusion and nothing more.
prettyvacant77
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The judge is FIA, he can decide.
Hardly a compliment then
LOL, <3 Shaneus!
Hmm, appealing is always possible, otherwise there´d be no fairness to the process.
But I think repeat offenders should be treated harsher when they do. So some kind of probation would hurt no one right now, and keep up the standards.
brotkasten
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What a boring outcome. Total waste of everyone's time. I'm sorry you followed this crap yesterday, Hammer. We still appreciate the transcript, though.
Honestly, I don't know what you guys expected. It was an appeal. Why would they get additional penalties for an appeal?
Adam Scott Aukerman
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Odd that there's no probation given that they made it clear that they'd ignore the FIA again if they felt like it.
prettyvacant77
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MERC were pushing for it
brotkasten
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But Horner said they'd have a strong case! And Mercedes wants more blood!
According to Mercedes' barrister Paul Harris QC, additional punishment could be handed out because new information was submitted to the panel of judges, which means the appeal has became a hearing instead.
"This is a rehearing with new and different evidence than the stewards had [at the time in Australia]," Harris, who also represented Mercedes during the 2013 tyre test tribunal, said in his opening remarks on Monday.
"Now this court has had sight, it can see more clearly than the stewards that the breach was very deliberate; it was a flagrant breach.
"[Red Bull] knew [it was] not compliant, not doing what Mr Lom [FIA head of powertrain] said repeatedly, and knew full well it was being done to obtain and express sporting advantage - 0.4s per lap for Mr Ricciardo."
I can't watch the race next weekend, so I need as much F1 drama as possible.
Yeah but that's teams being dicks to each others especially considering RB were being dicks and asking for a harsher penalty after the Pirelli testing debacle.
I personally believe it's ridiculous that someone would be better off not attempting to appeal simply because if the appeal is rejected you can get additional penalties. Probation I might understand, but again they should've been put under probation immediately after they got DQ'd in Australia.
Overall though, good job. I agree with the decision since it seems that they were gaining an advantage of 0.4s/lap.
Oh wow, didn't know of this.
Nevermind me then folks.
marvelharvey
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Yeah, I was hoping the hearing would go one way or the other, not this boring middle ground. I guess we can spend this week complaining of how FIA hearings were better in the old days.I can't watch the race next weekend, so I need as much F1 drama as possible.
prettyvacant77
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Apparently the "Full Decision" will be released by the end of the week according to the release? Might be more to chew on...
Back then, Max Mosley was very unhappy with the judges decision, and very vocal about it.
He wanted to see BAR excluded for the rest of the season...
Yeah, they announced this yesterday. Expect a document like the one I just linked.
brotkasten
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"All three races so far have been won by the same team and therefore Fry is realistic about the Scuderias short term goals. We are naturally working as hard as we can on closing the gap to the top teams, with Mercedes having a reasonable lead over the rest of the field, says the Englishman. Currently, our first priority is to establish ourselves as the second best team. We are looking at all areas of the car power unit, aero, suspension. We are trying to make as big a step as we can for each and every race. - See more at: http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/chinese-gp-closing-gap-top-teams#sthash.Vv5clspX.dpuf"
At least you can't say they aren't realistic.
At least you can't say they aren't realistic.
Nicktendo86
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Complete waste of time. May I just mirror everyone else and say thanks for your efforts yesterday Hammer!
I don't think it was a waste of time at all. I think this entire circus has been a pretty good indication of how little Red Bull thinks of the FIA, and how full of themselves they are, thinking they actually had a chance at an appeal with the evidence they had. The outcome obviously didn't change, but I think it shows that Red Bull doesn't really have any surprises left in their bag of tricks.
Nicktendo86
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Oh I don't mean a waste of our time, it's been interesting I think to argue over the points etc, but they wasted the court's time with a frivolous appeal which never had any chance of winning. Very surprised they didn't get another penalty actually.
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