If this has live coverage without me needing to sign in to my cable provider, I'd definitely pay. F1 is pretty much the only reason I need cable.
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The Formula 1 2014 Season |OT| Who Will Win? Nobody Nose
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If this has live coverage without me needing to sign in to my cable provider, I'd definitely pay. F1 is pretty much the only reason I need cable.
There was a Vimeo page that had season highlights from all years ranging around early 70s through to early 2000s (with the odd one missing here and there). All flagged allowable for direct download too.
Buggered if I can remember the name of the channel, though
brotkasten
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That seemed to go under the radar
Because it doesn't look that different or revolutionary.
But should make a significant difference. It was said they failed the crash test again. Obviously not
It did. What you have here is an evolution step, but not the revolution.
What's the difference between this and the final design?
More uninterupted airflow under the nose means more air over and under the floor giving more rear downforce.
We've been expecting a new nose though. It now looks like it barely if at all overhangs the front wing unlike every other nose. All that uninterrupted air going straight under the nose.
China Preview
Shanghai International Circuit
- track length 5.451km
- Tilke design
- in the swamp at the doorsteps of Shanghai
- 16 turns, some very long and fast, some very slow
- longest straight of all tracks
- best attack points on the straights between turns 14 and 16
Biggest differences to other tracks
- usually the rear tyres are getting more abuse, but not here - the front tyres will grain and be the limiting factor
- because of the two long straights, teams are forced to setup with less downforce than they´d like
- track is extremely smooth and has low kerbs, so the cars are set extremely low
- there is one spot around the breaking spot before turn 1 that's bumpy, and for some reason somewhere else every year, so teams have to watch out for it
- not much trouble for breaks and engines expected - temps are moderate, full throttle share is just 55%
- while the track surface is non-aggressive, still watch for the left front tyre, there will be differences between the teams (esp. turn 1 and 12)
--> With the long straights expect another star show. Behind will be whoever manages the tyres best.
Shanghai International Circuit
- track length 5.451km
- Tilke design
- in the swamp at the doorsteps of Shanghai
- 16 turns, some very long and fast, some very slow
- longest straight of all tracks
- best attack points on the straights between turns 14 and 16
Biggest differences to other tracks
- usually the rear tyres are getting more abuse, but not here - the front tyres will grain and be the limiting factor
- because of the two long straights, teams are forced to setup with less downforce than they´d like
- track is extremely smooth and has low kerbs, so the cars are set extremely low
- there is one spot around the breaking spot before turn 1 that's bumpy, and for some reason somewhere else every year, so teams have to watch out for it
- not much trouble for breaks and engines expected - temps are moderate, full throttle share is just 55%
- while the track surface is non-aggressive, still watch for the left front tyre, there will be differences between the teams (esp. turn 1 and 12)
--> With the long straights expect another star show. Behind will be whoever manages the tyres best.
From the description I heard, way shorter with an extremely steep angle. Think early 90s.
I'll I've read is about them trying to make it 75mm shorter than the original.
What you are describing sounds like a nose with the wing on sticks way out in front.
What they've shown here looks very close to what Merc were using in that promo material.
Yep, that's the one. The other one is secured like Fort Knox. Still very uncertain if its even possible to get it through the crash test, so there will be no pics.
Is that really important? At the end of the day, people will look at the championship standings and see RIC in front despite being dq´d from a podium finish.
Nah, everytime it happens it will be followed by a call from Seb saying "I've got no power".
No Seb, that's just how the Renault engine is.
Kind of. People usually harp on about "oh, if such and such didn't have this problem", which could well be used this year if Danny can still bring his car home more consistently than Seb.
Bad luck evens out over a timespan. And nowadays the season is so long, that there simply are no excuses after all is said and done.
Don´t fear for RIC. He´ll shine.
massivekettle
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Nose is higher and much shorter. Took Mercedes 5 tries at the crash test to get this passed.
This means that either Mercedes is incompetent or that type of nose will be extremely hard to replicate.
My bet is on the latter.
Hmm. We don't know how many it took for THIS nose. We know that failed 5 crash tests. None might have been this nose, this might have been started after the first 2 attempts at a shorter more aggressive nose failed. Maybe they went for a half way house that would be easier while still attempting the harder one.
We will never know unfortunately.
massivekettle
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I am pretty sure that this is the nose they intended on developing all along. It even matches the one shown on the Mercedes-Benz ads following each of their first two wins.
Either way, nose looks great and should hopefully give the team a few more tenths.
This solution is the cleanest in terms of getting airflow to the back of the car. Look for teams to try to emulate that as we go along...
Confirmation from AMuS:
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...rten-crashtest-endlich-bestanden-8310277.html
Psychotext
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Yay.
Hamilton's going to win a second WDC
EDIT: Toto Wolf saying that the car was designed around this nose and that the one they've been using was just a stopgap.
Will be interesting to see if anyone else attempts the same, as every other nose is substantially different.
Psychotext
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I don't really care about that, I just really don't want another 2004.
massivekettle
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Apparently, McLaren will make a huge jump this weekend, as they get to learn more about the Mercedes PU.
Expect potentially new engine cover and sidepods; if not in China, likely in Spain.
Most non-Works team will make similar big jumps over the next few GPs. That's where Works team have a huge advantage right now.
The fact that both Mercedes drivers are allowed to fight for the title already makes it different from 2004. It could be the first straight fight for a title since what, 2007 or 2008? In recent titles, there were rarely on-track fights. If Bahrain is any indication, we should get plenty of action for the lead in upcoming GPs.
Nicktendo86
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Man the new merc nose is barely attached to the front wing at all, amazing engineering but looks really fragile. The slightest tap looks like it could fall off!
Edit: ksharp looks liek McLaren have the same sidepods, not sure about engine cover but looks the same to me. I guess updates didn't make it to China
Edit: ksharp looks liek McLaren have the same sidepods, not sure about engine cover but looks the same to me. I guess updates didn't make it to China
Nico is fast enough to keep Lewis honest I think and Merc seem happy to let them play. That should make for an interesting title hunt, even if it is only between those two.
McLaren have said that before.
The Mercedes isn't just beasting because they know the engine better. It's part of it, but it's not all.
Psychotext
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For now they are, I really doubt it'll end up that way if there's another team breathing down their neck...
...though I really don't see that happening this year.
Nicktendo86
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Only way I can see Lewis losing this year's title is reliability.
Lets revisit this later in the season, shall we?
massivekettle
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What are you talking about?
He is simply referring to the fact that this is the nose that they have been trying to introduce since... February. They finally were able to get it past the FIA crash tests.
Whether it's the best solution or not remains to be seen, but for Mercedes to be so adamant to getting this nose out means that on "paper" it provides apparent benefits.
theignoramus
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I just read a word for word retelling of the exchange that lead to Senna punching Eddie Irvine in the face. It's awesome.
http://www.themagicofsenna.com/senna/suzuka.html
I think that the AMuS report is incomplete.
Nicktendo86
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Haha awesome, that that Irvine you prick
Fox Mulder
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There was a Vimeo page that had season highlights from all years ranging around early 70s through to early 2000s (with the odd one missing here and there). All flagged allowable for direct download too.
Buggered if I can remember the name of the channel, though
http://vimeo.com/album/2714808/page:1/sort:preset/format:thumbnail
Norwegian Rudo
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I read an article yesterday that said Mercedes delivered a new, tighter, exhaust layout before the Australian GP (it may have been before the Bahrain tests, can't remember 100%). As a result McLaren, and presumably the other customer teams, have been running with bodywork that is significantly wider than it needs to be.
Fruitster
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Senna and Berger pulled some great jokes against each other. Berger once stuck a picture of a penis in Senna's passport, and threw Senna's brand new briefcase out of a helicopter. Great fun reading about that era in F1. The drivers were real characters.
massivekettle
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http://thisisf1.com/2014/04/17/mercedes-w05-ultra-short-nose-passes-crash-test-on-fourth-attempt/
Quotes from Costa and Wolff must be sending shivers down the main rivals' spines...
Quotes from Costa and Wolff must be sending shivers down the main rivals' spines...
pants
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I think Nico is a better driver
Nicktendo86
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Will have to respectively disagree there, I honestly think Hamilton is the best driver in the world, closely followed by Alonso. No one can touch them, if they were all in equal machinery.
massivekettle
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Based on what exactly? Very curious to hear. Evidence points to contrary, so interesting to get your view on the matter.
Lewis outqualified, outraced and outpointed him in his first season with new team/systems that Nico was used to. Nico is a very, very fast driver, (the fastest Lewis has ever faced in pure pace) but is he the complete package? I don't think so, based on what I have seen so far. But it may change.
This season, so far, suggests that, whilst fast, he is not exactly a clutch driver (qualifying in Australia, Malaysian GP, Bahrain race spring to mind). And the whole "intelligent" and "cerebral" thing that the media got going is likely more of a subtle dig at Hamilton than anything else; Nico was never seen as such when he was racing against Michael, Nakajima, Webber, etc., and using languages spoken/school degree to evaluate racing IQ is completely retarded.
I think Bahrain proved Lewis is at least a little better than Nico.
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