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The GAF Poll - Bush or Kerry?

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Alcibiades

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Loki said:
Yes, reduction of corporate welfare is a conservative position in the strictest sense-- it's just that that view (along with the others you mention) is given short shrift in the conservative media and in the party's platform. I don't condone any of those actions, for what it's worth (referring to corporate welfare, offshore tax havens and questionable accounting practices).
Which is why I bring them up as part of Nader's platform.

If you read my first post, I give them as positives on his stance on positions.

So basically, I know that Republicans are terrible offenders (sometimes more than Democrats).

Which is why I'm willing to go the "Protest Vote" route for a candidate that won't win, but supports at least some of your issues.

I don't agree 100% with either Nader, Kerry, or Bush, but considering that on some things Bush and the Republicans aren't any better than the Democrats (and I mostly support Republicans nationally), I might as well give a protest vote.

I mean, what you're saying is just reinforcing my point from my first post, I don't get why what I posted "doesn't make sense"
 
evil solrac v3.0 said:
can we get a tally of all the votes?

I counted it up pretty quick, but I don't think there are any mistakes. Well, no more than Florida had.. ;)

Kerry: 48
Bush : 14
Nader: 4
Undecided: 3

I counted all people whether they were US or not.
 

Minotauro

Finds Purchase on Dog Nutz
The Shadow said:
Heh. At least you're honest. ;)

It's really all-or-nothing with me. I either want someone who's going to make some real strides in legislation or someone who's going to force us back into the dark ages.
 

Loki

Count of Concision
efralope said:
Which is why I bring them up as part of Nader's platform.

If you read my first post, I give them as positives on his stance on positions.

So basically, I know that Republicans are terrible offenders (sometimes more than Democrats).

Which is why I'm willing to go the "Protest Vote" route for a candidate that won't win, but supports at least some of your issues.

I don't agree 100% with either Nader, Kerry, or Bush, but considering that on some things Bush and the Republicans aren't any better than the Democrats (and I mostly support Republicans nationally), I might as well give a protest vote.

I mean, what you're saying is just reinforcing my point from my first post, I don't get why what I posted "doesn't make sense"

Because despite all that, you still said that you hope Bush wins. Which usually means that you feel he's the best overall candidate for the job. Now, I can understand the concept of a "protest vote" only if you didn't feel that either of the two major candidates were representing your interests, but not if you legitimately like one of them more. Also, like I said, what exactly would be the point of a "protest vote" if nobody will ever know your motives in casting that vote? That is, there is no "explanation box" on the ballot, like I said earlier-- the powers that be are just as likely to think that you fully support Nader's candidacy as they are to believe that you were making some wider sociopolitical point. So I see it as futile in that sense; due to this, I don't get why you don't vote for the candidate who, in sum, you feel is best qualified for the job. Based on your previous utterances ("in any case, I hope Bush wins"), I would surmise that that would be Bush.


At any rate, I'm not looking to quibble-- it was just a sentiment that was initially expressed awkwardly on your part imo (and in the opinion of others as well). Your elaborations upon that initial post certainly make sense, but they still don't seem to gel with your first post. I dunno, maybe my reading comprehension level has plummeted since...well...yesterday. :D
 

Alcibiades

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Well, I do live in a "safe" state, so it doesn't really matter who I vote for in the big picutre.

Bush and Kerry are still going to get 40 million+ votes each, so if I'm generally not satisfied with either candidate, though in the face of terrorism support Bush and he's going to win my state anyway, might as well give Nader a vote. Unfortunetly, I don't know if they are going to count right-ins. I might just vote for Libertarian or Green, but either way, voting for Kerry nor Bush won't make a difference. This way, at least I'll have supported the "OTHER" percentage.
 
Loki said:
Because despite all that, you still said that you hope Bush wins. Which usually means that you feel he's the best overall candidate for the job. Now, I can understand the concept of a "protest vote" only if you didn't feel that either of the two major candidates were representing your interests, but not if you legitimately like one of them more.
Disagreed. Instant run-off voting is one of the big issues of both Nader and Cobb. I take his "in any case, I hope Bush wins" as bowing to the reality of the situation, in which only 2 outcomes are at all conceivable this year. I hold a similar position, though left-leaning. I said earlier I'm undecided, which is true... but I'm mostly considering Nader and Cobb. I'd rather Kerry win than Bush, though. But as I've said before and will again, thanks to the electoral college the only thing my vote will count for is a slight variation in the calculations of statisticians.
 
+1 Undecided, US citizen.

None of the candidates are worthy of a vote, meh. They can all go rot, I'm screwed out of another 4 years in life! FDR, you and your.. popularity. Hmph.
 

Loki

Count of Concision
JoshuaJSlone said:
Disagreed. Instant run-off voting is one of the big issues of both Nader and Cobb. I take his "in any case, I hope Bush wins" as bowing to the reality of the situation, in which only 2 outcomes are at all conceivable this year. I hold a similar position, though left-leaning. I said earlier I'm undecided, which is true... but I'm mostly considering Nader and Cobb. I'd rather Kerry win than Bush, though. But as I've said before and will again, thanks to the electoral college the only thing my vote will count for is a slight variation in the calculations of statisticians.

I understand that; I suppose it could be viewed that way. "I hope Bush wins" could be taken to mean "I hope that out of the viable candidates in the election, Bush wins, even though I'm voting for Nader". This would, as you mentioned, be an instance of tacitly "bowing to the reality of the situation". Still, it's an awkward way to express such a sentiment-- a sentiment which, ideally, should have been made explicit, as it's somewhat nuanced. I wasn't the only person who thought it odd. :p Also, the word "hope", as evidence of his personal preference, is misplaced imo as it is seemingly contravened by his casting a vote for Nader-- though that goes back to the original point about his acceptance of the reality of the situation.


For what it's worth, you've convinced me, Joshua. Touche. :D Still, if that is what he meant, it was very awkwardly expressed and should have been fleshed out explicitly. Tsk tsk, efralope. ;) :p
 

Mumbles

Member
+1 Kerry. Ironically, the republican's repeated howls about how we need a "strong and decisive leader" to stand against terrorism have convinced me not to vote for Bush. And frankly, Nader isn't going to cut it, either.

US Citizen.
 
jiggle said:
You've changed your mind?!:)

I think Kerry will be decent on domestic issues...although not nearly as good as Kucinich and other progressives(gay marriage, IRV, decrimilization of weed, end of death penalty, etc...).

I'll be voting for Kerry, mainly because I'm in a swing state and my hate for Bush and conservatives in general just continues to grow.

Plus, I don't want to have to buy a plane ticket to washington d.c., if he is re-selected, in performing my patriotic duties of throwing tomatoes at him when he gets out of his car as he enters a 2nd term.
 

DJ Sl4m

Member
+1 Bush

US Citizen

Hopefull next time we'll have a real candidate worthy of the position, I just wish McCain was running :/
 
+1 Kerry

I'm not too thrilled with Kerry as a candidate (i liked most everyone over him in the primaries), but it's realistically the only vote that's going to make a difference. Emphasis on the word "difference".

Edit- US Citizen
 
You know efralope you seem like you are pretty split and reasonable and it seems your big sticking point is abortion. I think what you have to realize though is that I don't think ANY candidate is pro-abortion. I know John Kerry isn't. You shouldn't let the fact that he is being conservative and letting the status quo stand. Just because someone doesn't think Roe v. Wade should be overturned and thus appoint judges who think that way does not mean that they are for abortion. They are just conservative and believe that government should not intervene in how a woman handles her physical condition and not try to radically change the state of the country. I feel like so many pro-lifers get so riled up that instead of being pro-life they become anti-choice and radical. You don't see people rallying, calling for more abortions and killing and firebombing. Fact is almost no one is anti-life or pro-abortion. All they believe, as John Kerry does, is that right now we are in no situation where we can plainly outlaw abortion in good conscious and that such an option though reprehensible must exist. I find it funny that the 'conservative' viewpoint here is actual the radical one.
 

Kiriku

SWEDISH PERFECTION
Since I don't feel like I know enough to make a good decision on who should be the presídent of the US, my vote would be blank. It is possible to vote blank, right? I believe in the principles of voting, and that's why I would be voting.

I'm a Swede, BTW.
 
Kiriku said:
Since I don't feel like I know enough to make a good decision on who should be the presídent of the US, my vote would be blank. It is possible to vote blank, right? I believe in the principles of voting, and that's why I would be voting.

I'm a Swede, BTW.
There is no "None of the above" option, but you could just vote in other races and not touch that section.
 

Kola

Member
+1 Kerry
non us citizen

But to tell the truth, in the end it doesn't matter fuck who's "running" the country. Bush is such a moron, that you can only come to the conclusion that others are pulling the strings.
 

Zaptruder

Banned
+140,672,102 Me

That should swing the votes nicely in my favour, and you guys can have your first, non white, non US Citizen, non-been to america ever President.

When I'm in power, I'll push for legislature that makes it so all women are objectively rated and any that score 7 or above must wear a mini-skirt during their daily activities. Including while working in things like armed services.

I'm expecting your vote, to make the difference.
 
eggplant said:
+1 Kerry

Citizen I intend to register to vote soon.
You might want to hurry up on that. I registered earlier this year, and I think my Indiana application had to be in something like 2 months before the election.
 

firex

Member
I'm serious when I say I'm voting for Al Sharpton. I'm in a county where Bush is sure to win, in a state where Bush is sure to win, and so I might as well just write-in a vote for Al Sharpton.
 
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