The GAF Video and Filmmaking Thread

How do you guys organize your raw video footage?

I'm starting to have so many old video projects that it's starting to pile up and I can't find what I'm looking for half the time.

Maybe organize by date in the finder...?

Get a few externals and use each one for a specific task. I have one for local commercials I have done or am working on,One for music videos, another for short film projects, one full of incomplete stuff and another for my current animated project. I know that sounds like a lot but it really helps me keep stuff organized. The only thing on my main PC Hd are editing animation and art tools.
 
Just got done with Act 2. Well done, though I do have some story issues, but minor. Can I ask how you created the driving sequence?

The driving sequence was all green screen, which tbh was a bit of a nightmare because we shot it on hacked GH2's. Since they aren't 422 colorspace cameras, to even get the chroma to that level was ungodly ammounts of work. Thankfully we just purchased a BMCC so in the future chroma work will be alot easier, and better looking ;)
We built a green screen studio (16 ft high, 20x40 ft) and this was the first thing we shot on it.

BTW, this series intentionally has story issues. The whole idea is that we are going to in future seasons (if we end up making them) will fill in the pieces that are missing from the story.
 
The driving sequence was all green screen, which tbh was a bit of a nightmare because we shot it on hacked GH2's. Since they aren't 422 colorspace cameras, to even get the chroma to that level was ungodly ammounts of work. Thankfully we just purchased a BMCC so in the future chroma work will be alot easier, and better looking ;)
We built a green screen studio (16 ft high, 20x40 ft) and this was the first thing we shot on it.

BTW, this series intentionally has story issues. The whole idea is that we are going to in future seasons (if we end up making them) will fill in the pieces that are missing from the story.

Cool. So the footage you used to replace the green screen was basically footage you filmed driving around? Also the story issues I had were more about choices characters made. But I can PM that if you want. Either way its a bang up job so far, and I gotta say that you got me good at the end of Act 2.
 
Cool. So the footage you used to replace the green screen was basically footage you filmed driving around? Also the story issues I had were more about choices characters made. But I can PM that if you want. Either way its a bang up job so far, and I gotta say that you got me good at the end of Act 2.

Ahh I gotcha, yeah we drove around in a pickup and shot footage for the different angles, the height was a bit off, but it ended up working out prettty well :) Which character choices in particular?
 
How do you guys organize your raw video footage?

I'm starting to have so many old video projects that it's starting to pile up and I can't find what I'm looking for half the time.

Maybe organize by date in the finder...?

I came up with a template for CNTV that they now use, pretty simple. Not sure if they told you about it when you worked with them a couple weeks ago. This is all dependent on how deep your project is, but this is my media management, essentially.

Start with a folder for the project:

Generic Project

Inside that folder should be everything pertaining to that project:

00 Graphics
01 Music
02 Final exports
03 BTS
04 Tuesday
05 Wednesday

Within the Tuesday/Wednesday folder should be specific shoots. When you click on the Tuesday folder it would ideally open up to the shooter's name or names:

Shooter 1
Shooter 2

Then clicking on the shooter would be everything he shot for that day:

Session A
Session B
Generic b-roll
Standups
Closing Reception

That's the basic formula for me. I recently had a shoot with Special Olympics over two days. I have a "Friday" and "Saturday" folder. Friday folder has the sport I shot, then inside that is a folder for myself, the shooter I hired and then a folder for my GoPro shots. Then I continue from there.

My biggest problem when organizing my footage is that I generally won't name individual raw clips. The only clips I'll name are interviews and it would be like "killertofu cam 1a" and "killertofu cam 2a", where "a" represents the first take. If we had to stop and start the interview again we'd have "killertofu cam 1b" and "killertofu cam 2b".

Does that make sense? It probably wouldn't work for everyone, but it works for me.

Here's a chart I made for CNTV to reference when I tried to explain what I was going for:

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Ahh I gotcha, yeah we drove around in a pickup and shot footage for the different angles, the height was a bit off, but it ended up working out prettty well :) Which character choices in particular?

Well, first they didn't even seem to think about the kid in the house as they ran for their lives until after they saw him in the window, and then it seems they fell into the trap of the horror movie trope of not getting the hell out of dodge after shit goes down. Why the hell would they still be in that house? Especially a few moments after it all happened and they decide to put back the couch? Screw the damn couch, I'm outta there! lol

Don't get me wrong, like I said, it's really good, but those kind of things stood out to me. Also I noticed a Michigan license plate, so I'm assuming that's where you shot it/live? I am from Michigan originally, and come back to visit almost every year. Whereabouts in Michigan was this filmed?

thanks
 
Well, first they didn't even seem to think about the kid in the house as they ran for their lives until after they saw him in the window, and then it seems they fell into the trap of the horror movie trope of not getting the hell out of dodge after shit goes down. Why the hell would they still be in that house? Especially a few moments after it all happened and they decide to put back the couch? Screw the damn couch, I'm outta there! lol

Don't get me wrong, like I said, it's really good, but those kind of things stood out to me. Also I noticed a Michigan license plate, so I'm assuming that's where you shot it/live? I am from Michigan originally, and come back to visit almost every year. Whereabouts in Michigan was this filmed?

thanks

Hehe, yeah the actors were asking about that as well :P lets just say that because of their back story, and external events, if we get to do a season 2 it will make alot more sense :)

Yup, we are just outside of Flint.
 
I've a question, it's slightly off-topic and I doubt anyone knows it... but worth a shot:

Does anyone here know anything about vj'ing (video mapping)? I'm a big fan of spacey visuals at techno nights and would love to learn it. I know a lot of people use After Effects to make the visuals and I know the program pretty well, but I've no idea where to start and how this stuff works exactly (I know there are programs such as Resolute annd Modul8 for the mapping itself). There isn't that much on the internet because it's pretty niche. I found Audiovisual Acadamy and VjForums.

Example of the kind of stuff (around 0:54, and 0:59 and 1:17 for example)
If someone has some more information, tips or experiences I'd love to know it!

Cheers
 
I'm really bad at knowing what to charge

I've done a few edits for this mid-tier ad agency. Interviews, basic stuff like that. They have a broadcast producer that's pretty overworked and she basically asked me how much it would take me salary-wise to make the move. I would basically be an editor, production assistant, and shooting some spec stuff to show clients.

And I have no idea what to ask for. Cause to be honest I'm being severely underpaid at my current position, and I only work 20 hours a week so anything would be a step up from it.


Thoughts?
 
Filmed shoot a short film this weekend on the 5DMK2 got to use the 50 1.2 L for the first time. It's pretty nice however the massive price jump over the 1.4 is pretty crazy. Thing is much better than the 1.4 too.

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So while getting my demo reel ready for an international job hunt I also finished a teaser trailer for something I directed a few months ago and got sorta stuck. Walked out of the project, even, but here are the results. In 4K!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMq-nybVCqs

It's just a 90 second teaser of a feature film that started up as a miniseries project to be shopped around and became something else entirely. Spanish language, English subtitles.

Any feedback is more than welcome, fellas :)

Demo reel is looking very solid.

Tantalo, was that shot on a red?

Overall very nice :)
 
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Any suggestions on how to clean up these edges? I had a pretty cramped area and a 50mm on a t2i so I couldn't light as well as I watned

Looks like the only thing you can really do at that point is rotowork.

Was that a greenscreen shot, or just on a white background?
 
What are you using for editing/compositing? After Effects CC 2014 has a new Key Cleaner tool that might help out.

Oh snap, I actually forgot the new version of CC had the new key cleaner and spill supressor tools, have you tried them? Need to install when I get on my workstation.
 
Thanks! Glad you liked it! Yeah, it was shot in RED. My first time working with it, such a thing of beauty. Also, motion tracking anything shot in 4K is so easy it almost feels like cheating in a way.

I'm trying to get my first feature length film off the ground and when I do, we'll most likely shoot on RED too.

We just upgraded from hacked gh2's to bmcc 2.5k's so far in tracking tests and green screen (that sweet sweet raw) its been a world of difference. I cant imagine how easy it must be in 4k or even 6k on some of these new cameras.
 
Anyone going to get a a7s when it comes out? It's the most interesting to me right now.

I'm still a photog/videographer hybrid. I didn't want to spend 3000$+ on a Mark III for full frame but crappy codecs. I know you need an external thing for 4k but 4k isn't as important to me right now. It's nice to have there in the future
 
Anyone going to get a a7s when it comes out? It's the most interesting to me right now.

I'm still a photog/videographer hybrid. I didn't want to spend 3000$+ on a Mark III for full frame but crappy codecs. I know you need an external thing for 4k but 4k isn't as important to me right now. It's nice to have there in the future

We are going to get an a7s when the shogun releases in september, that sensor has arguably the best low light in the world. Just sick.
 
Anyone going to get a a7s when it comes out? It's the most interesting to me right now.

I'm still a photog/videographer hybrid. I didn't want to spend 3000$+ on a Mark III for full frame but crappy codecs. I know you need an external thing for 4k but 4k isn't as important to me right now. It's nice to have there in the future

BTW, part of the reason you may not be getting the best keys from your greenscreen work is that your shooting on dslr's which are 420 color space. Your losing edge detail by virtue of the footage you are shooting. While you can shoot and do chroma work with a 420 camera, ( we did an entire greenscreen episode of our series https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnijGD9W0-g
on GH2's, but your in for alot more work for quality which will be below what you can do with proper color space.

If you do get an a7s, at least pick up an atomos ninja star, it will allow you to record 10 bit 422 prores at 1080p. The price for a ninja star and a 32 gb cfast 1 card (not cfast 2, not needed and rediculously expensive right now) is right around $500.
 
I think the 5dIII is 422 color space.

What is this shitty codec you're talking about? I can't think of a time where it got me in trouble.
 
I think the 5dIII is 422 color space.

What is this shitty codec you're talking about? I can't think of a time where it got me in trouble.

I mean it's not terrible but it's not great either. The whole switching cameras bit popped in my head because I was thinking of getting some rokinon lenses but kept thinking about how slow Canon is to innovate when people like Panasonic or Black Magic or Sony are making better hybrids.

P.S. just got another call from CNTV :)
 
I think the 5dIII is 422 color space.

What is this shitty codec you're talking about? I can't think of a time where it got me in trouble.

The 5d mIII shoots native 420 color. If you hack it with magic lantern, you can get limited raw recording out of it, but compared to a camera which will shoot 422 444 or raw, the Mark III, while producing stunning images, will still inherently have issues when used for chroma and vfx work.
 
What's the convention acronym? Just curious. I honestly think I've only done two shows for them this year in addition to a small project here in town.

KC had fantastic barbecue. Make sure you get some time for that. Also let me know if they talk about me hahaha
 
Anyone done a 48 hour film festival?

We are going to do the Detroit one next weekend, and I have no idea what to expect. Writing a script, even for something as short as a 4-7 minute film, filming, editing, audio cleanup and vfx in 48 hours seems pretty daunting heh.

Gonna get a chance to put our BMCC through its paces :)
 
Anyone done a 48 hour film festival?

We are going to do the Detroit one next weekend, and I have no idea what to expect. Writing a script, even for something as short as a 4-7 minute film, filming, editing, audio cleanup and vfx in 48 hours seems pretty daunting heh.

Gonna get a chance to put our BMCC through its paces :)

Be ready to get little to no sleep, depending on what you aim for...

Why not just make a film on your own in 48 hours instead of paying money to do the same thing?

There is a ton of truth in this. It's for the competition, fun, and sport of it though.
 
Why not just make a film on your own in 48 hours instead of paying money to do the same thing?

If you do it on your own, you won't participate with a shared community of others doing the same thing, where you can perhaps meet new people in your area who are interest in filmmaking, you won't be competing for nice rewards, and you likely own't get your film screened in a theater! There's no reason to subject yourself to the stress, exhaustion and hard work of getting something done in just 48 hours on your own!

If the schedule is like the 48 hour film fests I've done, this should be your tentative plan. Ideally you will have three "teams," a pre-production/writing team that will go to the kick-off, get the required elements (character/line/genre/prop/etc.) come up with the story and script, then a production team that will shoot the movie, then a post production that will edit. That way you won't have any one group stretching themselves too thin by trying to work throughout the full 48 hours, you can start to get footage to editors earlier in the day, they can already begin work on effects if needed, etc. That's ideally though, and may not be realistic.

You'll want to have several locations available to you for shooting, already planned out in advance, all located relatively close to each other to minimize travel time. That way you can pick a couple or one to fit what is required of you. The simplest is to shoot at one location so you can maximize your time, but shooting at more locations can look more impressive.

Here's a tentative schedule:
7PMish (or whatever the kick-off time is) get required elements
7PM-too late at night - send someone to buy/find any required props if need be, come up with story/script (KEEP IT SIMPLE AND STRAIGHT FORWARD, IF YOUR GENRE IS THRILLER, DO A THRILLER! HORROR, DO SCARY! This isn't the time to try and get fancy or overly thematic or meaningful! Just try and have fun with it!)
SLEEP
7AM - fill team/actors in on story/plan, begin shooting as soon as possible
8AM-around 8PM - Shoot the movie
EAT SOMETHING
9PM-import footage to computers/editing programs, organize, some editing
Hopefully get some GOOD SLEEP this night, you will want/need it.
7AM-5PM EDIT EDIT EDIT
5PM Export. Leave time to export, because it will take longer than you anticipate and you want to give yourself time in case of unforeseen problems.
6:30PM deliver "finished" film, whether you are dropping it off or uploading it or whatever
FEEL VICTORIOUS, EAT DINNER, SLEEP EARLY

This is more realistically what you can expect if you don't have a large team and are doing everything yourself or with a very small core group:
Get required elements, gather with team, spend too much time trying to come up with/agree on a story because too many people are providing input, agree on shit idea, realize at 12AM after team goes home/falls asleep that you and your main partner need to come up with entirely new idea that is decent and logistically doable, but half-baked because it is getting late and you really need to sleep and it is now 3AM so you go to bed. Get up early, fill in team, but some of your team will probably be late, a couple may bail on you even. Hopefully you have worked with some of them before so you have a shorthand and can work efficiently. Sometime in the mid/late afternoon your lack of sleep will catch up with you and you will feel brain dead, like you can't function anymore. Just push through it and you will get a second wind. You won't be able to do much editing this night because by the time you are back you will be so tired you are getting delirious. Best you can do is get things imported and get some things in the timeline. You'll get up early and edit your ass off, you'll feel well rested and like you have plenty of time (12 hours? Easy!), but you'll still end up being rushed by the end, you'll miss a couple silly obvious things in the edit (like a boom in a shot, audio problem, shot without color correction, etc), but it won't be a big deal. You may be exporting in a laptop on the ride to the drop-off to make the time. You will sleep like a king/queen this night.

You'll get stressed out, you'll feel like your movie is shit for most of the shoot/editing, you'll be tired, but somehow it will still be fun, and damn if you won't feel like you really accomplished something when you turn in that your movie.
 
If you do it on your own, you won't participate with a shared community of others doing the same thing, where you can perhaps meet new people in your area who are interest in filmmaking, you won't be competing for nice rewards, and you likely own't get your film screened in a theater! There's no reason to subject yourself to the stress, exhaustion and hard work of getting something done in just 48 hours on your own!

If the schedule is like the 48 hour film fests I've done, this should be your tentative plan. Ideally you will have three "teams," a pre-production/writing team that will go to the kick-off, get the required elements (character/line/genre/prop/etc.) come up with the story and script, then a production team that will shoot the movie, then a post production that will edit. That way you won't have any one group stretching themselves too thin by trying to work throughout the full 48 hours, you can start to get footage to editors earlier in the day, they can already begin work on effects if needed, etc. That's ideally though, and may not be realistic.

You'll want to have several locations available to you for shooting, already planned out in advance, all located relatively close to each other to minimize travel time. That way you can pick a couple or one to fit what is required of you. The simplest is to shoot at one location so you can maximize your time, but shooting at more locations can look more impressive.

Here's a tentative schedule:
7PMish (or whatever the kick-off time is) get required elements
7PM-too late at night - send someone to buy/find any required props if need be, come up with story/script (KEEP IT SIMPLE AND STRAIGHT FORWARD, IF YOUR GENRE IS THRILLER, DO A THRILLER! HORROR, DO SCARY! This isn't the time to try and get fancy or overly thematic or meaningful! Just try and have fun with it!)
SLEEP
7AM - fill team/actors in on story/plan, begin shooting as soon as possible
8AM-around 8PM - Shoot the movie
EAT SOMETHING
9PM-import footage to computers/editing programs, organize, some editing
Hopefully get some GOOD SLEEP this night, you will want/need it.
7AM-5PM EDIT EDIT EDIT
5PM Export. Leave time to export, because it will take longer than you anticipate and you want to give yourself time in case of unforeseen problems.
6:30PM deliver "finished" film, whether you are dropping it off or uploading it or whatever
FEEL VICTORIOUS, EAT DINNER, SLEEP EARLY

This is more realistically what you can expect if you don't have a large team and are doing everything yourself or with a very small core group:
Get required elements, gather with team, spend too much time trying to come up with/agree on a story because too many people are providing input, agree on shit idea, realize at 12AM after team goes home/falls asleep that you and your main partner need to come up with entirely new idea that is decent and logistically doable, but half-baked because it is getting late and you really need to sleep and it is now 3AM so you go to bed. Get up early, fill in team, but some of your team will probably be late, a couple may bail on you even. Hopefully you have worked with some of them before so you have a shorthand and can work efficiently. Sometime in the mid/late afternoon your lack of sleep will catch up with you and you will feel brain dead, like you can't function anymore. Just push through it and you will get a second wind. You won't be able to do much editing this night because by the time you are back you will be so tired you are getting delirious. Best you can do is get things imported and get some things in the timeline. You'll get up early and edit your ass off, you'll feel well rested and like you have plenty of time (12 hours? Easy!), but you'll still end up being rushed by the end, you'll miss a couple silly obvious things in the edit (like a boom in a shot, audio problem, shot without color correction, etc), but it won't be a big deal. You may be exporting in a laptop on the ride to the drop-off to make the time. You will sleep like a king/queen this night.

You'll get stressed out, you'll feel like your movie is shit for most of the shoot/editing, you'll be tired, but somehow it will still be fun, and damn if you won't feel like you really accomplished something when you turn in that your movie.

Hehe sounds like fun :)

This is the reality of it for us though.

We have the writer, me. Compositing, me. VFX me.
The director, editor, camera operator, and post sound, my brother.
We have 1 sound guy.
We have 1 lighting tech.
We have 1 makeup person.
We have 7 actors.

Thats the whole squad :) We had 2 more people on set to film our web series (DP and PA) but we always run a lean crew. Already bought a case of monster lol.

I just hope we don't draw western musical and have to go wild card.

In terms of why we are doing this, the experience, plus you have a shot of your film going to Cannes.
 
Oh here are the two films I worked on for the Minneapolis 48HFP. The first one I helped come up with story and co-directed/shot/edited/visual effects, the second I only did effects and edited/visual effects/color. These are both the "director's cuts" where we fixed some of the minor things we didn't catch during the 48 hours. The second one went much smoother, we actually had a full crew and had time to spare to actually work on things like color and stuff, but it was overall a simpler video. The only thing we had to fix in the second video was a couple color correction layers were off by one frame, so you saw a flash of a shot in the wrong color a couple times:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iH2QFNzxus

https://vimeo.com/73103137

Sounds like you have a decent crew so hopefully things go relatively smooth. It's so much nicer to have crew members with roles and not having to try and direct and shoot and run a sound recorder and set up lights while talking to actors. Make sure to stock up on bottled water too!
 
Oh here are the two films I worked on for the Minneapolis 48HFP. The first one I helped come up with story and co-directed/shot/edited/visual effects, the second I only did effects and edited/visual effects/color. These are both the "director's cuts" where we fixed some of the minor things we didn't catch during the 48 hours. The second one went much smoother, we actually had a full crew and had time to spare to actually work on things like color and stuff, but it was overall a simpler video. The only thing we had to fix in the second video was a couple color correction layers were off by one frame, so you saw a flash of a shot in the wrong color a couple times:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iH2QFNzxus

https://vimeo.com/73103137

Sounds like you have a decent crew so hopefully things go relatively smooth. It's so much nicer to have crew members with roles and not having to try and direct and shoot and run a sound recorder and set up lights while talking to actors. Make sure to stock up on bottled water too!

The first one is clever, I have to ask, the vehicular homicide, after effects + puppet tools? And the nose ring.... oy!

The second one is much better (first one was still good :) ) but I can see you had the time for some fantastic shots (love the doorknob, best shot in the film) and the compositing on the plane was fantastic! Kudos
 
Your assumption is correct and the first thing that springs to mind when you ask a hotel manager/owner to shoot a film is that you are probably doing porn. I shot on location at "The Cincinnatian" downtown Cincinnati OH and found in my own personal experience that you should aim for the highest quality hotels in your area possible. For whatever reason they seem much more open to listening to a good pitch and not jumping to the porn conclusion.

Old post, but I just want to add to this.

We were shooting a spec commercial and needed a hotel room for one of the scenes. We talked to a waterfront 5-star hotel, amazingly beautiful and they told us they couldn't give us a normal guest room to use...

...they could only let us use the private, top floor suite that was reserved for the hotel owner or celebrities/royalty. The staff had to clean the room daily regardless of whether it was used, so they said we could just shoot whatever we wanted and they'd clean it afterward. It was huge and the shoot was fantastic. Wasn't expecting to be able to fit a full lighting and sound rig + crew in, but the room was MASSIVE.
 
The first one is clever, I have to ask, the vehicular homicide, after effects + puppet tools? And the nose ring.... oy!

The second one is much better (first one was still good :) ) but I can see you had the time for some fantastic shots (love the doorknob, best shot in the film) and the compositing on the plane was fantastic! Kudos
Yup, After Effects for the car shot. Did one take of him running out into an empty street and acting like he gets hit, then used the roto brush tool to roto him out and put him on a second take with the car driving by. Used puppet tool to animate him kind of bending over hood, added a shadow hitting his legs, and added camera shake and slight pan after.
 
Just watched your latest act, Guldakot. The CG at the end was pretty good. I also assume the back eyes were done in After effects somehow?

Thanks :) Yeah, I tracked the eyes in mocha, then overlayed shape layers, animating frame by frame for variations in eye diameter. I also masked out the real reflections of the actors eyes and used those as the base for the sim reflections.

So, currently 36 hours or so into the 48 hour film detroit challenge, haven't slept and waiting for a render to finish to start compositing. Holy crap am I tired lol. We got dark comedy, and I've never written comedy before so its interesting to say the least heh.
 
Thanks :) Yeah, I tracked the eyes in mocha, then overlayed shape layers, animating frame by frame for variations in eye diameter. I also masked out the real reflections of the actors eyes and used those as the base for the sim reflections.

So, currently 36 hours or so into the 48 hour film detroit challenge, haven't slept and waiting for a render to finish to start compositing. Holy crap am I tired lol. We got dark comedy, and I've never written comedy before so its interesting to say the least heh.

I've only done one 24 hour contest...I dont think I would ever do it again

Too much stress, and I never feel like I made anything decent
 
Well we handed the finished film off to our team member, and are getting prepared to sleep finally. Damn, that 7 min limit is harsh. We ended up shooting what should have been about a 9 minute film, that was some exhaustive cutting to get it under the time limit.

Great experience but I am beat lol. Don't know if Ill do another 48 hour anytime soon.
 
After years of talking about wanting to build a quadcopter I've decided I'm just gonna buy one. The DJI Phantom is too popular a brand to ignore for a first-time flyer, gotta have one.

The idea of building a custom quadcopter was appealing but I never had the money. Now that I have the money I don't have the time. The Phantom will be a good learning experience and help me decide if I wanna build a custom quad in the future, one sturdy enough to support carrying a DSLR.

I'm excited about this. Been reading and watching user videos for the last several weeks. I'm about to go on the road for PGA Tour for the next 7 weeks, so I plan to order the week before I come home.

Anyone here have experience using them in your productions? Any positive/negative feedback?
 
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