The Game Business: Over 50% of the job cuts in video games are in California
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semiconscious
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yep. 'ideology' does not equal 'creativity'. quite the contrary. creativity is all about thinking outside the box. ideology is a box...
AmuroChan
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What's even worse is that their brand of ideology is one that demands its followers to insert said ideology in everything that they do, whether they're a game developer, a professor, a doctor, etc.
Unknown Soldier
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Western AAA and Hollywood are facing very similar issues
And they are doing this at the same time as budgets are ballooning into the hundreds of millions of dollars to make a game or movie
It's a perfect storm of shooting yourself in both feet and every other body part to push an agenda the entire world is rejecting and spending unbelievable amounts of money to do it
And they are doing this at the same time as budgets are ballooning into the hundreds of millions of dollars to make a game or movie
It's a perfect storm of shooting yourself in both feet and every other body part to push an agenda the entire world is rejecting and spending unbelievable amounts of money to do it
Hector Hall
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Only good California is The Valley from KK/Cobra Kai.
Real one is so expensive, full of DEI activists and far left weirdos, totally out of sync with the world. Still HQ of so many big techs, but it won't remain as much in the future.
Real one is so expensive, full of DEI activists and far left weirdos, totally out of sync with the world. Still HQ of so many big techs, but it won't remain as much in the future.
Killer8
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As Bobby Kotick said in an interview, the real reason for China's rise isn't just because they do it on the cheap, it's their insane work ethic. Think mandatory perpetual crunch but they end up shipping the games in half the time. The problem is not so much the insane wages in California (because this is always going to differ globally anyway), it's that publishers don't get a rise in productivity to go along with it. Chinese workers can now do in 3-4 years what takes the Californian 6.
yurinka
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Totally understandable, considering gamedev salaries there are too high compared to the rest of the countries and most US states.
And well, I assume once companies experienced the go woke go broke effect they also may want to run away from the wokest state.
They're just moving some jobs to other states or countries where they do the same job or better but without stupidly overpriced salaries.
And well, I assume once companies experienced the go woke go broke effect they also may want to run away from the wokest state.
No, they are making more money than ever before.
They're just moving some jobs to other states or countries where they do the same job or better but without stupidly overpriced salaries.
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PatientGamer
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When it costs $150k to hire a junior designer/devs ofc that's going to be the place where the majority of job cuts come from.
Durin
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Again, job loss sucks...but least it is making sense for the parts of the industry that deserve it based on the market.
North American AAA has been sucking for the last number of years, attacking or thinking they know better than their own audience, and they reap what they sow.
When I lived in California early 2010s, I saw that talent being bled out of the state, not even from studios that are failing...just leaving because it's too expensive, and they could do development in a state not run like shit.
North American AAA has been sucking for the last number of years, attacking or thinking they know better than their own audience, and they reap what they sow.
When I lived in California early 2010s, I saw that talent being bled out of the state, not even from studios that are failing...just leaving because it's too expensive, and they could do development in a state not run like shit.
Jubenhimer
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Of course. Why is it that California is always home to some of the worst people in entertainment?
rm082e
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California has 1/8th of the US population and the majority of entertainment companies.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
The highest paid employees, at the most bloated inefficient studios that take 7+ years to make a game, working from home, making games for an imaginary "Modern Audience" instead of of their actual fans, working in a bubble of toxic positivity where nobody has the fucking balls to say what they actually think…
This shouldn't be the slightest surprise to anybody who has been paying attention for the last several years. The only surprise is that it hasn't happened sooner.
This shouldn't be the slightest surprise to anybody who has been paying attention for the last several years. The only surprise is that it hasn't happened sooner.
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Kacho
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Example:
Totally not out of touch Obsidian employee (she/her btw) getting ass pats in her Slack echo chamber right before they put out Avowed, which flopped.
Meanwhile, Outer Worlds 2 has received loads of marketing and looks like another turd loaded into the chamber. Remind me to shed a tear when Obsidian sees inevitable layoffs.
They like to swap genders in every game. They are in control of censorship for Sony games.
bighugeguns
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What a pointless, negative value and dumb competition all this is, the prize is nobody happy and inevitable unemployment for all involved, maybe it's simply intentional sabotage.Example:
Totally not out of touch Obsidian employee (she/her btw) getting ass pats in her Slack echo chamber right before they put out Avowed, which flopped.
Meanwhile, Outer Worlds 2 has received loads of marketing and looks like another turd loaded into the chamber. Remind me to shed a tear when Obsidian sees inevitable layoffs.
I think It can be fixed, but you'll have to helm these studios with absolute tyrants, not fun.
Obsidian should be partially lead by senior and serious operations people from either the mining, manufacturing or oil industries.
You can force basic professionalism without sacrificing creative output, you'll probably get even better output, just don't foolishly onboard theatre kids who can fall back on daddy's money when they blow through all your investments etc.
And these games media outlets need to be forced to shut the fuck up about socio-politics immediately, the bullshit outrage "culture" rubs off on studios, they're driving up insane publisher risk for clicks from people who weren't going to buy the damn products anyway!!!
No shit the industry is in a plateau, this whole model doesn't work.
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Felessan
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Shanghai/Shenzhen doing just fine and they have a very high concentration of game/3d related jobs
Maybe they should do something that actually bring money and than they'll be fine
KungFucius
King Snowflake
please be the wokies
You people are all sick. Cheering for people losing their jobs. Woke is way better than whatever the fuck you are.
Dr.Morris79
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Western AAA and Hollywood are facing very similar issues
And they are doing this at the same time as budgets are ballooning into the hundreds of millions of dollars to make a game or movie
It's a perfect storm of shooting yourself in both feet and every other body part to push an agenda the entire world is rejecting and spending unbelievable amounts of money to do it
Yep.Example:
Totally not out of touch Obsidian employee (she/her btw) getting ass pats in her Slack echo chamber right before they put out Avowed, which flopped.
Meanwhile, Outer Worlds 2 has received loads of marketing and looks like another turd loaded into the chamber. Remind me to shed a tear when Obsidian sees inevitable layoffs.
Nope.
Felessan
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Some people honestly think that job is when you receive money instead of doing something useful
No compassion for them
Revolutionary
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No shit. Don't be surprised when Microsoft shuts down Double Fine (located in San Fran) shortly after their lighthouse game releases.
calico
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If you make a living waging cultural warfare against Western civilisation, men, white people and decency, you probably can't expect too much sympathy if/when it unravels.
Western media being so concentrated in the 'California bubble', with its insane ideas, has been a disaster, as it has allowed those ideas to be massively overrepresented in Western media. Its continued concentration there poses an existential threat. The creation of Western media being moved almost anywhere else (and preferably not so concentrated) would be hugely beneficial to the West. Even many non-Western nations are now more closely aligned with the values and beliefs of the Western audience than the California bubble is.
My sympathy is reserved for those who were forced out years ago for opposing this cultural revolution. Those actively perpetrating it and those going along to get along made their bed.
Western media being so concentrated in the 'California bubble', with its insane ideas, has been a disaster, as it has allowed those ideas to be massively overrepresented in Western media. Its continued concentration there poses an existential threat. The creation of Western media being moved almost anywhere else (and preferably not so concentrated) would be hugely beneficial to the West. Even many non-Western nations are now more closely aligned with the values and beliefs of the Western audience than the California bubble is.
My sympathy is reserved for those who were forced out years ago for opposing this cultural revolution. Those actively perpetrating it and those going along to get along made their bed.
Kacho
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bighugeguns
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This isn't worth arguing over.
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Wildebeest
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The USA used to be aspirational. Everyone used to want the escapism of having a slice of that American prosperity and ridiculously excessive consumption. Now all we get is constant complaining about how oppressed and unfortunate Americans are and how miserable it is to be American.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
If only they tried a little harder to reach the Modern Audience, I bet they would've been successful.
It doesn't hold a candle to the concentration of game developers and studios in California.
You think all the studios there (including SIE) should pivot to making stuff like what Tencent and Netease trots out?
Dorfdad
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You mean Gavin newscum right? He's run that state into the ground and killing the residentsAnd Sony is such an idiot... putting its headquarters there.
And to top it all off..
With Fat Orange.
With his policies.
Heimdall_Xtreme
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the Swindler, who imposes tariffs.
Felessan
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Still better than woke stuff that literally no one wants and that sells like shit. At least their games are liked by many (not on this forum though).
And WuKong is better than most of AAA western output.