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[djjinx2]

Nice to see so many SDF replies in here, keep them going. Pile it on boys ...

 

[Trilobit]

This comes from Ireland-based journalist Lex Luddy, who explained what she had heard from sources across Europe on the Rewinder podcast.

"She"

 

[neocycle]

About Lex Luddy

Lex Luddy is a Junior Editor for TheGamer and journalism student. She has written for Vice, Fanbyte, Gayming Magazine, Push Square, startmenu and more. She can be found on Twitter @BasicalliLexi

The absolute worst.

 

[Pop]

Ya know, Phil deserves a raise

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Its negative MS news, thats so hot right now.

I don't remotely keep track of who is on which side of the console wars but quoting this source as "being reported" is such warrior mentality

Not saying Lunatic_Gamer is that but come on using a source of someone that has 40 something subs?

About Lex Luddy

Lex Luddy is a Junior Editor for TheGamer and journalism student. She has written for Vice, Fanbyte, Gayming Magazine, Push Square, startmenu and more. She can be found on Twitter @BasicalliLexi

The absolute worst.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

People need to give up on this idea. No-one else is create a new console.

Unless you mean crap like this - in which case enjoy, your playstation rival already exists.

The irony of Xbox fans, arguing that new consoles can't exist... Xbox was the newest kid on the block, if new consoles can't exist then Xbox can't exist back then either.

I saw Consoles born, i saw Consoles die. And i saw new hardware rising up to challenge the old guard. The current setup is but a flicker in time and things will change. The status quo is not going to continue.

 

[Three]

But aren't contract workers a negative? I read that on here. Isn't it the cause of the mediocre releases we have seen?

I dont wanna see anyone lose their jobs but maybe cutting contract workers would be a benefit in the long run?

In internal studios silly. There is a difference between external projects you greenlit and using contract workers within a studio. What good is losing somebody experienced making Forza or Halo after 18 months? If it's outsourced then you don't have that institutional knowledge anyway. But what was MS losing by hiring John Romero's team for a new project? The project has been cancelled, you lose and don't gain anything. They're not bringing in permanent employees to do it who wouldn't even necessarily be better if it was a new IP/game.

It's bizarre that this even has to be explained. There has been no benefit from this.

 

[Det]

Remember when the threads were "PS5 on fire, Sony desperate"?

Yeah, the difference is that this one is organic and real.

History already proves that negative Xbox rumors are generally true or worse.
The opposite is true with Sony.
Because one side pays for astroturfing and "Xbox ambassadors" to spread FUD.

 

[Steve Holt]

Nice to see so many SDF replies in here, keep them going. Pile it on boys ...

What's your take on the OP.. Rather than this lame warring drive by?

Is the OP news worthy or is it not?

 

[Alan Wake]

To be fair, it is obvious that when you cancel a game, you would also cancel all the outsourced work as well. Like if a car company cancel a car production, it means lost business with all the parts suppliers. These suppliers would then had to fire staff that are not directly related to the Car company.

So Xbox didn't lie. They reported the people they fired who were their employees on the books. But the mass firing would also involve contracts with 2nd party studios. There is an actual shrinking of Xbox projects, which means a shrinking of work to do by studios who normally get hired to help with these projects.

This was always going to happen when a Console dies. SEGA had many IPs and many studios they work with to support the SEGA machines. When SEGA went 3rd party, many of the minor game IPs just ceased to be, and many 2nd party studios lost work. Some of the studios end up working for Xbox.

It's like when a big factory close down in a small town, which drags the economy of the entire community down with it. I do hope they can find work elsewhere. More importantly:


We need to have MS officially going 3rd party, in order to officially declare open season for a new competitor to show up. No one wants to come 4th place behind Xbox, so Xbox need to go first before we can get new blood.

What new competitor? A console manufacturer? That business is basically on its last straw. 10-15 years ago I hoped that maybe Samsung would make a console. Today it wouldn't make any sense to jump in. Xbox is exiting, Sony will eventually abandon hardware too. And who knows what Nintendo will do in their kind of alternative universe.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

I love to shit on MS bad practices as much as the other guy, but you don't need to be a journalist to know, that closed projects will lead to cascade effect outside of the MS itself.

Hell, Crystal Dynamics just lost the entire Perfect Dark, of course more layoffs are expected.

But that can be said about almost every cancelled AAA game ever. I'm sure quite a lot of people outside Sony lost their jobs due to closed games at Bend, Bluepoint or even because Concord support never happened. It's sad, but this is a cutthroat industry in general.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

What new competitor? A console manufacturer? That business is basically on its last straw. 10-15 years ago I hoped that maybe Samsung would make a console. Today it wouldn't make any sense to jump in. Xbox is exiting, Sony will eventually abandon hardware too. And who knows what Nintendo will do in their kind of alternative universe.

The only Business on its last straw is Xbox consoles. Xbox threw money at the problem, it doesn't work, and now they are all out of ideas. But failure of Xbox is Xbox's own responsibility. Both PlayStation and Nintendo have plenty of flaws, it's just that Xbox is worse than either of them.

Go ahead, trying to argue that Xbox is winning by quitting. If it makes you feel better then good luck to you. But just remember that SEGA fans never were desperate enough to try to argue that them quitting consoles was a good thing. SEGA fans were never THAT desperate.

 

[djjinx2]

What's your take on the OP.. Rather than this lame warring drive by?

Is the OP news worthy or is it not?

Nope, it's sneakily posted as "news" when it's just some random soy boys tales from their ass. It's then taken as gospel truth to fit whoever's narrative and it goes on and on and on.

Im sorry if my post seemed like a warring drive by. I'm not on a side just kind of sick of the constant shitting on Xbox (I own one), or people piling on negative news constantly shouting Xbox is dead. (If someone else will enter the game why cheer the death of Xbox, or if Sony truly won and were solo in the market do you think that would be healthy?)

I just wish there were more healthy Sony fans who could actually give good reasoning why they are happy Xbox is dead for example. Instead we get T Tacitus_killgore17 and demigod etc with their laughing emojis and toxic drivel.

Hope that clears up your question have a nice day

 

[Majima Everywhere System]

It'll be fun to see if we get another big Game Pass game. Take a look at some of the whoppers at the end of Games with Gold.

That period alone made me feel like the company was full of jerks.

 

[EN250]

"The story here really is that these layoffs are way bigger than the number that Microsoft is reporting, because there's a lot more indirect layoffs happening than are being reported"

Eh, not defending MS, but they report on their stuff only, if some outsource TP studio has to shrink because games are canned, yeah, it affects them because of MS, but MS is not firing them directly, say for example if Crystal Dynamics has to layoff people because Perfect Dark was canceled, it's not MS's duty to report it but Embracer

 

[poppabk]

The irony of Xbox fans, arguing that new consoles can't exist... Xbox was the newest kid on the block, if new consoles can't exist then Xbox can't exist back then either.

I saw Consoles born, i saw Consoles die. And i saw new hardware rising up to challenge the old guard. The current setup is but a flicker in time and things will change. The status quo is not going to continue.

Xbox fan?
Anyway, you may have missed the games industry changing over the last couple of decades and consoles as well.
As you pointed out MS was the most recent to join the fray only 24 years ago.
You will get your Quests and Steam Decks or that Nex thing, but no-one is spending 100's of billions of dollars to launch a new console that has to compete with Sony and Nintendo.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Makes being grateful for the ones who have jobs still, we thank Microsoft for games and consoles, they'll be many job hires, and many job fires

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Makes being grateful for the ones who have jobs still, we thank Microsoft for games and consoles, they'll be many job hires, and many job fires

it's not our job to care about this shit. Just saying.

 

[IntentionalPun]

How about "Xbox shrinking may cause other companies to also lay people off" instead of the current thread title?

There is no revelation or scoop happening here, and there's even anything being hidden as there is no indication any 3rd party immediately laid people off.

It's literally just something true about any project being cancelled.

 

[Woopah]

A studio like Iron Galaxy being in trouble is ironic because they exist to weaken labor in the industry. They're a temp farm. If we've reached the point that we're crying over their misfortune, things are very bleak. They were founded to facilitate publishers outsourcing, rather than having to keep their in-house studios fully staffed and insured. In a proper time, the workers in the games industry would have pushed these guys out before they got their second gig. The pubs could never have got this far in their scumbaggery without firms like Iron Galaxy.

What's wrong with independent developers existing? Those have always been a part of the industry.

Surely that's better than every studio being owned by a publisher no?

 

[Dr.Morris79]

 

[Chittagong]

For once, Xbox underpromises and overdelivers on something.

 

[KenaiPhoenix]

Mmmmm… idk about this one.

If there is one thing that many Microsoft games have in common is shitty practices, they will outsource everything. They can to get money and products to their slop pass. Quality is secondary.

Yes, many studios will have their projects cancelled, but I wouldn't be surprised if, once everything settled down, they recibe a call to produce the new flagship game.

After the sale success of the Oblivion remake, the corpos must have noted that they can just oursource development to cut costs.

 

[eNT1TY]

Every employee that MS let go makes my Series X break just a lil bit more. Soon none of my games will run. I need to get better fire insurance.

 

[Unknown?]

Nope, it's sneakily posted as "news" when it's just some random soy boys tales from their ass. It's then taken as gospel truth to fit whoever's narrative and it goes on and on and on.

Im sorry if my post seemed like a warring drive by. I'm not on a side just kind of sick of the constant shitting on Xbox (I own one), or people piling on negative news constantly shouting Xbox is dead. (If someone else will enter the game why cheer the death of Xbox, or if Sony truly won and were solo in the market do you think that would be healthy?)

I just wish there were more healthy Sony fans who could actually give good reasoning why they are happy Xbox is dead for example. Instead we get T Tacitus_killgore17 and demigod etc with their laughing emojis and toxic drivel.

Hope that clears up your question have a nice day

FYI, I laughed at your post. I wasn't going to, but you were complaining about them. I apologize in advance.

 

[drganon]

Nope, it's sneakily posted as "news" when it's just some random soy boys tales from their ass. It's then taken as gospel truth to fit whoever's narrative and it goes on and on and on.

Im sorry if my post seemed like a warring drive by. I'm not on a side just kind of sick of the constant shitting on Xbox (I own one), or people piling on negative news constantly shouting Xbox is dead. (If someone else will enter the game why cheer the death of Xbox, or if Sony truly won and were solo in the market do you think that would be healthy?)

I just wish there were more healthy Sony fans who could actually give good reasoning why they are happy Xbox is dead for example. Instead we get T Tacitus_killgore17 and demigod etc with their laughing emojis and toxic drivel.

Hope that clears up your question have a nice day

Try not to cry so hard.

 

[adamsapple]

I love to shit on MS

 

[demigod]

What's your take on the OP.. Rather than this lame warring drive by?

Is the OP news worthy or is it not?

If he's not console warring, he's probably busy pirating games.

 

[Pimpbaa]

They planning on not just being a 3rd party publisher after they kill off the Xbox? I mean i was okay with maybe ending up playing forza horizon 6 on my ps5. But now I'm worried if there won't be another one.

 

[bitbydeath]

I swear reputable leaker S SneakersSO already mentioned this in another thread. Maybe it didn't get an OT though.

 

[Three]

Nope, it's sneakily posted as "news" when it's just some random soy boys tales from their ass. It's then taken as gospel truth to fit whoever's narrative and it goes on and on and on.

Im sorry if my post seemed like a warring drive by. I'm not on a side just kind of sick of the constant shitting on Xbox (I own one), or people piling on negative news constantly shouting Xbox is dead. (If someone else will enter the game why cheer the death of Xbox, or if Sony truly won and were solo in the market do you think that would be healthy?)

I just wish there were more healthy Sony fans who could actually give good reasoning why they are happy Xbox is dead for example. Instead we get T Tacitus_killgore17 and demigod etc with their laughing emojis and toxic drivel.

Hope that clears up your question have a nice day

Xbox bring it on themselves and there is no reason to defend their actions when negative news hits. They raise prices, they see low sales. They blow hot air during their console launch showcase and don't deliver, cancelling the games, they deserve all the shitting people do on them.

You talk about healthy industry yet they're there raising console and game prices and not delivering games they sold you the console on 5yrs ago. The fact this is not praised or rewarded is normal competition. That's what healthy competition is about and xbox suck at it, it shouldn't be rewarded just because. Look at the PS3 gen. They lowered and lowered the hardware price to compete better, they ramped up games output to deliver one of the best late gen span of releases. Incurred massive losses to at least try and deliver on the gen.

Xbox has to earn that sympathy otherwise f them and their actions that brought about what they're currently experiencing. This competition boogeyman of what might happen without them is just a narrative xbox people have set up now. One that didn't seem to exist when everybody thought PS was dead. Nobody mentioning what might happen with MS, a known monopolist having the market to themselves. That was when PS was actually trying to compete too unlike xbox today.

 

[Radical_3d]

Microsoft has become one of the worst things to happen in gaming.

Has become? They've always been.

 

[Alan Wake]

The only Business on its last straw is Xbox consoles. Xbox threw money at the problem, it doesn't work, and now they are all out of ideas. But failure of Xbox is Xbox's own responsibility. Both PlayStation and Nintendo have plenty of flaws, it's just that Xbox is worse than either of them.

Go ahead, trying to argue that Xbox is winning by quitting. If it makes you feel better then good luck to you. But just remember that SEGA fans never were desperate enough to try to argue that them quitting consoles was a good thing. SEGA fans were never THAT desperate.

I think you misunderstood my post or I was just not clear enough. I never wrote I think Xbox is winning by quitting, they're not. I hated when Sega discontinued the Dreamcast because I loved both them and the console and being an Xbox gamer for 23 years I don't like the thought of Xbox disappearing either. My point was that I don't see what company could look at the gaming industry right now and see that it's a good idea to invest in a new console. With or without Xbox.