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The GS Warriors Are NBA Champions; Hold The Record For Best Postseason Record at 16-1

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LionPride

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theWB27 said:
Shaq didn't have to come over that pick and roll because he was too busy destroying the frontcourt. You severely underestimate what that used to do teams and running their gameplan. It's like you forgetting Shaq and Kobe were averaging 60 together. And Shaq's 40was coming with 20 boards in the finals.

Mad props to Golden State, but cmon. Kareem wasn't the only one you had to deal with. Kevin Mchale, Parish, DJ and Bird. Bird is matching everything KD is putting up.

Just...let them have they moment without reverting to that. They have matchup nightmares galore throughout history...just not in today's game.
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Bird was slow aa shit playing in them motherfucking boxes called Converse Weapons

Bird would be a 4 in today's game anyways if we bein real and woukd be great but I don't want him on KD or KD on him

Fjordson said:
It's pretty silly.

I mean the game today is so much more complex and the athletes are so much more impressive than ever before. Durant, Steph and Lebron would run circles around any past NBA team up until maybe the late 90's. Same goes for guys like Westbrook, Anthony Davis, Giannis, etc. The league right now is absolutely stacked with talented freak athletes.
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That's why I like the idea of converting older teams to modern playbooks and styles and giving them shoes that aren't fucking boxes

I honestly believe that if you put Giannis back in the 60s he's burned as a fucking witch

It's be like putting Clayton Kershaw in the 50s, he's just gon dominate
 
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mjp2417 said:
Sure, in the same way that LBJ is matching him. Congrats, you won 1 game. Who is matching Curry on the Celtics?
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Who's matching Mchale on the Warriors?

Know what...I'd do this in the thread devoted to this speak. I won't continue to derail though.

mjp2417 said:
Draymond Green, next question
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On that note...nm. Draymond Green stopping one of the greatest post up big men to ever play when there were talented big men galore and Draymond was that missing player. I see that thread wouldn't be discussed in honest fashion.

I'm out though.
 
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BlackNMild2k1

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I got a photoshop favor to ask of someone.

I'm going to the parade on Thursday and wanted to print a sign from something I had edited together in paint.
But I need to edit it for championship status, and don't have the knowledge on how to use photoshop/gimp/etc to do it correctly.

Can someone PM me, and help a brotha out?
 
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Prototype Viktor

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GravityInsanity said:
Just realized LeBron has now lost 5 NBA Finals...
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He's gearing up to be the B.I.L.L.S of the NBA
 
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Branduil

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This is the real-life equivalent of getting mad after losing in NBA2K, and then changing the difficulty to rookie and forcing the CPU to trade all the best players to you.
 
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Avalanche

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Kettch said:
Also, I don't see how anyone could throw blame at GS for signing Durant. They drafted Curry, they drafted Thompson, they drafted Green. They signed one big time player. It's not like they just assembled the squad with piles of cash.
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I feel like a lot of people either don't know this or are wilfully ignoring it.
 
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Anth0ny

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Kettch said:
Let's not get crazy. I do think it's entirely possible GS could have won if they'd spent Durant's money elsewhere though. They did go 73-9 and had a near lock on the championship with Harrison Barnes and Andrew Bogut plugging up the holes. Along with winning the year before. If they didn't have Durant, they would have had some other good player(s).

Also, I don't see how anyone could throw blame at GS for signing Durant. They drafted Curry, they drafted Thompson, they drafted Green. They signed one big time player. It's not like they just assembled the squad with piles of cash.
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hah, yeah I throw no blame at GS at all. I mean... who the fuck would say no to the #3 player in the world joining your team. If you can afford it... why not. it's a truly crazy scenario that the greatest regular season team of all time (that was one insane 3-1 comeback away from winning a championship) can actually afford to sign a player like KD.

but I still hate these top tier superstar players ditching their already championship caliber team to play with an even better team.

so fuck the 2017 warriors
 
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Kettch

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There's a reason why the big man post up game has become more and more obsolete. It's not because of a lack of good centers in the league. It's because today's 3-point shooters are so efficient that it forces you to play their game. You can't just have some dead weight sitting in the paint anymore.
 
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mjp2417

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Kettch said:
There's a reason why the big man post up game has become more and more obsolete. It's not because of a lack of good centers in the league. It's because today's 3-point shooters are so efficient that it forces you to play their game. You can't just have some dead weight sitting in the paint anymore.
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Anth0ny

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I can't wait for the DVD on Durant's career.

"After a hard fought series in the conference finals, Durant and his Thunder squad lost to Steph Curry and the 73 win Golden State Warriors.

That offseason... Durant left Oklahoma City and joined Steph Curry and the 73 win Golden State Warriors, en route to his first championship."
 
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TestMonkey

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Kettch said:
There's a reason why the big man post up game has become more and more obsolete. It's not because of a lack of good centers in the league. It's because today's 3-point shooters are so efficient that it forces you to play their game. You can't just have some dead weight sitting in the paint anymore.
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The reason big man play is obsolete is because the NBA has gutted defensive play in order to make the games more viewer friendly. The freedom of movement that is allowed to NBA players was nonexistant in previous generations. Look up highlights of Larry Bird and see how much contact was allowed and how much more difficult it was to get separation.
 
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Fjordson

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TestMonkey said:
The reason big man play is obsolete is because the NBA has gutted defensive play in order to make the games more viewer friendly. The freedom of movement that is allowed to NBA players was nonexistant in previous generations. Look up highlights of Larry Bird and see how much contact was allowed and how much more difficult it was to get separation.
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If they still had all the old rules with the athletes and complex defensive schemes we have today the game would be terrible. No one would score 100. You have guys with 7 feet wingspans (sometimes more) that move like guards, guys playing power forward like Draymond who can guard all five positions, and coaches with access to so much data that they know how to game plan against specific players way more than coaches did back in the day. They had to start helping out offenses somehow.

I think that's why you had some ugly basketball in the 90's and early 2000's. NBA athletes were starting to outpace the rules.
 
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mjp2417 said:
Sure, in the same way that LBJ is matching him. Congrats, you won 1 game. Who is matching Curry on the Celtics?
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Bird's shit talk would have Curry on the bench in 5 crying.

Have to agree with it being a pretty boring match up. Warriors were already the most stacked team in the league and them losing last year was them melting down. Adding Durant would basically be like the Bulls adding Hakeem
 
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benjipwns said:
Since we're talking contracts, with some rounding here and there (also exact numbers won't be known until after the moratorium, this is projected):

The Warriors are expected to be at $109 million for Curry, Durant, Green and Thompson (and waived Jason Thompson), their entire team this year was $102 million.

Cleveland currently has LeBron, Love, Irving, Thompson, Smith, Frye, Shumpert and Jefferson at $125 million next year. And that'll cost way more than that because they'll be a repeater in the luxury tax.

Portland's the sneaky contract team, they will pay Lillard, McCollum, Crabbe, Turner, Myers Leonard, Mo Harkless, Ezeli and Aminu a combined $120 million.

OKC will pay $90 million for Westbrook, Adams, Oladipo and Kanter.
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Portland has three first round picks this year. If they need to dump salary, they'll find a way to do so.
 
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yuraya

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Kettch said:
There's a reason why the big man post up game has become more and more obsolete. It's not because of a lack of good centers in the league. It's because today's 3-point shooters are so efficient that it forces you to play their game. You can't just have some dead weight sitting in the paint anymore.
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Big talented centers are rare in the NBA. So yea there is a lack of good centers in the league today. Put prime Shaq or Olajuwon on any team in the league today and that team will be playing in the finals. And most likely be winning the finals.

But again players like Shaq, Kareem, Olajuwon and Wilt are once in 2 or 3 decade type of players. There hasn't been anyone like them for a long time now. Once someone like those big greats come around again the league would/could easily shift back into that era and away from the current style.
 
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Fjordson said:
If they still had all the old rules with the athletes and complex defensive schemes we have today the game would be terrible. No one would score 100. You have guys with 7 feet wingspans (sometimes more) that move like guards, guys playing power forward like Draymond who can guard all five positions, and coaches with access to so much data that they know how to game plan against specific players way more than coaches did back in the day. They had to start helping out offenses somehow.

I think that's why you had some ugly basketball in the 90's and early 2000's. NBA athletes were starting to outpace the rules.
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Are you taking a cheap shot at my 5 time Champion San Antonio Spurs?
 
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LionPride said:
Portland needs to trade everyone not named McCollum or Lillard and honestly need to trade one of them as well
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Portland with a healthy Nurkic and facing any team other than the Dubs probably had a damn good chance of pulling an upset, they were great after the Nurkic trade. And that's with Nurkic being mostly fat. Add Nurk to the untouchable list.

Fjordson said:
Whew Portland has some awful deals. Maybe some guys will step up next season, but guys like Crabbe and Evan Turner really aren't worth their salaries imo.
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Portland is the 2nd youngest team in the league, with an average age of 24.7 (Philly is at 24.6)

These are all of their salaries.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/portland-trail-blazers-team-salary/

Aminu is their best perimeter defender and is probably on a under-valued deal.

Crabbe is still just 24, and while his contract might be a little high, it's not ridiculously bad imo.

Last year's 44 win season was a total aberration and set expectations too high, but between the Nurkic trade and the fact that their roster is incredibly young, they're in a better situation than most people think they are.

The really terrible contract is Evan Turner for $17 million per year for 4 years. Everything else is mostly fine. Oh, and taking Varejao from the Dubs, who will cost them more money if they end up in the luxury tax.

Salary cap is projected around $101 million, with luxury tax at $121 million. Blazers are currently around $133 million, and without Turner's contract would be around $115.8 million. I forget how much they would have to take on to even do a trade, but the point is, they can make cap space if need be.

And if Paul Allen, one of the richest NBA owners, is willing to pay a little, for say, for example, 1 more year (just to see how things play out), then he can do that too.

Their 3 first round picks gives them ALOT of flexibility, and their roster is young.

mjp2417 said:
People thinking that Portland was a team on the rise this offseason because they overachieved in 2016 and won 44 games and everyone on the Clippers got hurt in the playoffs was one of the weirder mass delusions. It's a team built around 2 non-top 10 players who will never be top 10 players and a bunch of bad contracts. Their ceiling is the Toronto Raptors, but much worse.
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Oh for fuck's sakes.

The Trail Blazers looked like they were in a pretty dire situation before they got an actual big man to take attention away from CJ and Dame and started winning a ton at the end of the season, but even before, they were the 2nd youngest team in the NBA.
 
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Fugu

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I wonder if anyone has ever gone 16-12 (won the championship while losing as many games as possible) or the much more tragic 15-13 (lose the championship after as many games as possible).
 
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TestMonkey said:
The reason big man play is obsolete is because the NBA has gutted defensive play in order to make the games more viewer friendly. The freedom of movement that is allowed to NBA players was nonexistant in previous generations. Look up highlights of Larry Bird and see how much contact was allowed and how much more difficult it was to get separation.
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And let's also be fair and not wax so romantically about the eras of the past. Those players didn't have to deal with packing the paint and the sort of team defense played in the modern game. You either doubled or stayed on your man. The illegal defense rules aren't talked about as much as they should be whenever dumb comparisons like these come up.

Of course, you also had the short period of games in the 80s and 90s for points in the early to mid 2000s where the Pacers, Pistons, and Spurs played with the best set of rules for defense, where both the illegal defense rule was gone but handchecking was still allowed.

And how are you gonna bring up Bird when the showtime Lakers themselves were a major flashy pace focused team? The Dubs, iirc, this season rank only 2nd to the showtime lakers in terms of assists per game.

And then that's not to get started on the pace in 60s and 70s being ridiculously high.
 
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Lkr

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Don't shame me too hard but I'm willing to ask...here goes
At the finals games the warriors got Michael Buffer before tip off. Does anyone know the name of the song they were playing?
 
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friskykillface

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Fugu said:
I wonder if anyone has ever gone 16-12 (won the championship while losing as many games as possible) or the much more tragic 15-13 (lose the championship after as many games as possible).
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Celtics in 08 lost 12 games in route to the title
7 game series
7 game series
6 game series
6 game series

I think that's the most games lost by a champion , not sure
 
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Sulik2

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Fjordson said:
If they still had all the old rules with the athletes and complex defensive schemes we have today the game would be terrible. No one would score 100. You have guys with 7 feet wingspans (sometimes more) that move like guards, guys playing power forward like Draymond who can guard all five positions, and coaches with access to so much data that they know how to game plan against specific players way more than coaches did back in the day. They had to start helping out offenses somehow.

I think that's why you had some ugly basketball in the 90's and early 2000's. NBA athletes were starting to outpace the rules.
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I know I am in the minority, but I love ugly basketball. I grew up in the detroit-metro area so I am sure the Pistons had something to do with that. I still feel like a team has failed for a night if they allow 100 points, win or lose. That being said, the way players can shoot threes now, there is no way the sport of basketball wasn't going to change because of that. GSW is an incredible team and they just dominated an excellent Cavs team. They are an all time great team.
 
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BumRush

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Not as much a fan of modern basketball as I was of 90s / early 2000s basketball and absolutely hate the "super team" structure but man, Durant is a hell of a basketball player and so fun to watch!

Congrats GS fans!
 
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bionic77

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GhostWriter24 said:
Who'd have thought that the NBA would become this boring?
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You thought last nights game was boring?

That was maybe the fastest I have ever seen basketball played. I absolutely loved how the Cavs played last night. They all showed a ton of heart. D-Will got a little scared, but other than hit everyone else played out of their minds. KD makes scoring 35 points look incredibly easy (though it isn't) and without him playing like that this is going back to Cleveland.

That was an amazing game last night. If you found that boring I am not sure what to say to that because I thought it was amazing.

Also, huge props to the Warriors if they decide to skip the White House visit. Another reason why the NBA is so much better than the NFL. I am sure most of the Cavs would have skipped it too.
 
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Kickz

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I am thinking part 4 of this trilogy next year. East is trash and LeBron will be back for another final and Goldenstate is too strong for the West to handle
 
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bionic77 said:
You thought last nights game was boring?

That was maybe the fastest I have ever seen basketball played. I absolutely loved how the Cavs played last night. They all showed a ton of heart. D-Will got a little scared, but other than hit everyone else played out of their minds. KD makes scoring 35 points look incredibly easy (though it isn't) and without him playing like that this is going back to Cleveland.

That was an amazing game last night. If you found that boring I am not sure what to say to that because I thought it was amazing.

Also, huge props to the Warriors if they decide to skip the White House visit. Another reason why the NBA is so much better than the NFL. I am sure most of the Cavs would have skipped it too.
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Believe.

Hell, I'd settle for Pop. as press secretary.
 
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I find it funny all this hostility exists over what the Warriors did, when they basically did it because LeBron, Wade, and Bosh (along with Ray Allen later) maneuvered their way into the Not 1, Not 2, Not 3 Superteam. The best player in the world basically needing another top 5 talent and another top 10 guy.

...and then when they got old, LeBron did it again by leaving town and teaming up with one of the most devastating offensive weapons in the league and Love who was considered a top 10 talent (he was a scoring and rebounding machine).
 
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Deepwater

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Branduil said:
This is the real-life equivalent of getting mad after losing in NBA2K, and then changing the difficulty to rookie and forcing the CPU to trade all the best players to you.
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Except this isn't a video game and stats aren't arbitrarily assigned by a developer or a player, and is instead developed through natural athleticism, talent, and hard work.
 
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LionPride

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MushroomSamba said:
I find it funny all this hostility exists over what the Warriors did, when they basically did it because LeBron, Wade, and Bosh (along with Ray Allen later) maneuvered their way into the Not 1, Not 2, Not 3 Superteam. The best player in the world basically needing another top 5 talent and another top 10 guy.

...and then when they got old, LeBron did it again by leaving town and teaming up with one of the most devastating offensive weapons in the league and Love who was considered a top 10 talent (he was a scoring and rebounding machine).
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Sigh


The Warriors drafted Steph, Klay, and Draymond, signed good bench players in Andre and Livingston, then signed one big free agent in Kevin Durant

The Heat drafted Wade, then signed Bosh and LeBron. Big big difference

And I have no problem with either team
 
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Hyperactivity said:
Believe.

Hell, I'd settle for Pop. as press secretary.
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This country is too racist and stupid to get those guys in the White House.

But it is nice to dream!

yuraya said:
Big talented centers are rare in the NBA. So yea there is a lack of good centers in the league today. Put prime Shaq or Olajuwon on any team in the league today and that team will be playing in the finals. And most likely be winning the finals.

But again players like Shaq, Kareem, Olajuwon and Wilt are once in 2 or 3 decade type of players. There hasn't been anyone like them for a long time now. Once someone like those big greats come around again the league would/could easily shift back into that era and away from the current style.
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Zone defense makes it really hard for a post player to dominate the way guys did in the 90s and early 00s.

They changed the rules to slow down Shaq and it definitely worked. That is something you have to remember when people talk about the Lakers dynasty. They were so dominant that the NBA changed the rules to slow them down.

The Warriors, Heat, Cavs, etc are the evolution of teams and how they play when you can zone and take away the middle. The NBA has a better commish and is run better than it was in 01-02 so they are not going to overreact and make up rules to slow down GS.
 
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