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[dogmaan]

mikeb..? confirmed shit thread.

Oh you mean because he has a slight sony bias, and actually researches his posts?

then err yeah shit thread

(this thread was doomed from the beginning, but i suppose that's the point of this thread)

 

[Chrange]

Changed "confirms" to "hints"...I really need to get a scan of that to understand exactly what it meant.

Not here, of course.

This is the only part of the article that deals with DLC:

In addition, though post-release downloadable content has been promised on that other platform, expect similar offerings on the PS3 down the road, "we want this game to last for years," Jeronimo added, "I'm sure we'll do another [GTA game] some time in the future, but this one is built to last."

There's actually no mention of DLC by the Rockstar dev at all, or at least nothing attributed directly to him or Rockstar as a whole.

 

[Gully State]

So does anyone what the details on future DLC and Home integration for PS3 GTA4 are? I've been reading around that the xbox360 DLC exclusive only encompasses 2 episodes and that subsequent DLC would go to both consoles. Is that true or just rumor mill grinding?

 

[SpokkX]

They were talking about their games in general will get larger and more demanding.

I think you assume wrongly as the PS3 is specced to be a long term console. GTA 1 in 1997-1998 and GTA 2 in 1999 on PS1, GTA3 in 2001, Vice City in 2002 and IMO the most ambitious San Andreas in 2004 on the PS2. GTA IV in 2008, I think we´ll see more demanding GTA games this generation.

this guy is here ...great

isn´t his own thread about cell usage enough (that only he posts in..)

 

[Ariexv]

So if their TV is miscalibrated it must have been the games fault right? Pop In doesn't changed based on the TV settings, the 360 just can't load stuff fast enough.

How do you know they didn't play them on the same TV? This isn't gametrailers I seriously doubt they'd say one game looks better and be wrong because of TV calibration. You can make the same argument that maybe they didn't play on a 360 with a HDD and the game might use a HDD if it's present to cache data.


As for the Custom soundtracks here is the patent

http://www.google.com/patents?id=mx93AAAAEBAJ&dq=gaming+soundtrack

 

[chubigans]

This is the only part of the article that deals with DLC:



There's actually no mention of DLC by the Rockstar dev at all, or at least nothing attributed directly to him or Rockstar as a whole.

Ah, finally cleared up once and for all. Thanks!

So does anyone what the details on future DLC and Home integration for PS3 GTA4 are? I've been reading around that the xbox360 DLC exclusive only encompasses 2 episodes and that subsequent DLC would go to both consoles. Is that true or just rumor mill grinding?

This sounds like the most logical thing that will happen, but everything is a rumor at this point.

 

[Haunted]

Hopefully it isnt garbage like their Okami one.

PS3 version is washed out!

 

[Jtrizzy]

Pachter also speculated in the 4th episode of the GTA Bonus Round that they already have the story worked out for V, and they would be starting work on it immediately. I can't remember specifically what he said, but that it would be out in a year or so IIRC. It would be pretty stupid from a financial standpoint to do all the work making the games for the current generation of consoles and only make one GTA.

 

[Odrion]

Is there any videos showing what the pop in is like?

 

[FrankT]

So does anyone what the details on future DLC and Home integration for PS3 GTA4 are? I've been reading around that the xbox360 DLC exclusive only encompasses 2 episodes and that subsequent DLC would go to both consoles. Is that true or just rumor mill grinding?

You got some sourcing for this.

 

[dk_]

@ Odrion

There is a gif, but I can't find it. Some users state that pop-ins only involve stairs, window textures and trees (maybe the most annoying thing).

 

[Ariexv]

Pachter also speculated in the 4th episode of the GTA Bonus Round that they already have the story worked out for V, and they would be starting work on it immediately. I can't remember specifically what he said, but that it would be out in a year or so IIRC. It would be pretty stupid from a financial standpoint to do all the work making the games for the current generation of consoles and only make one GTA.

Yep Pachter is totally a reliable source so far this gen. There's still La Noire, Read Dead Revolver 2, and the unannounced Ps3 exclusive they might all use the same engine. Even without those there's DLC @ the End of this year, DLC beginning/mid next year.....Also for actual game size wasn't VC actually smaller on the disc then III was?

 

[OokieSpookie]

 

[Chrange]

Is there any videos showing what the pop in is like?

Watch pretty much any of the videos posted of driving cars. I don't really see it, personally. The video quality is usually pretty low though.

I don't understand how the engine would have big pop-in problems when you can jump in a helicopter, fly up and see buildings rendered for miles around.

 

[mabuza]

Pachter also speculated in the 4th episode of the GTA Bonus Round that they already have the story worked out for V, and they would be starting work on it immediately.

sony should get in touch and moneyhat this mutherfucker. let rockstar go wild on that 50gb space and hdd for a true smooth sexy nextgen gta.

 

[szaromir]

I don't think Sony are willing to pay hundreds of millions dollars to get exclusivity on one game...

 

[squicken]

@ Odrion

There is a gif, but I can't find it. Some users state that pop-ins only involve stairs, window textures and trees (maybe the most annoying thing).

http://vimeo.com/941075
That's the best vid I've seen so far

 

[Jtrizzy]

Yep Pachter is totally a reliable source so far this gen. There's still La Noire, Read Dead Revolver 2, and the unannounced Ps3 exclusive they might all use the same engine. Even without those there's DLC @ the End of this year, DLC beginning/mid next year.....Also for actual game size wasn't VC actually smaller on the disc then III was?

1. This has nothing to do Pachter's monthly sales predictions, which I'm sure gives you the ultimate butt hurt considering he's a "PS3 fanboy", and I'm guessing is the reason you decided to call him out. In other words, there is no reason to doubt this.

2. He knows a shit load more about the industry that you do.

3. La Noire+Read Dead Revolver+PS3 exclusive. When you add all of those up, they won't come close to selling what one iteration of GTA does. Rockstar has multiple studios, which I would assume will be working on the games you listed.

edit: I don't know if Pachter makes a lot of predictions like this (game wise) so I don't know his track record, but this one seems highly logical.

 

[bigmakstudios]

Pachter also speculated in the 4th episode of the GTA Bonus Round that they already have the story worked out for V, and they would be starting work on it immediately. I can't remember specifically what he said, but that it would be out in a year or so IIRC. It would be pretty stupid from a financial standpoint to do all the work making the games for the current generation of consoles and only make one GTA.

The only numbered GTA game last generation was GTA 3. I don't see why it would be any different this generation...

 

[SpokkX]

http://vimeo.com/941075
That's the best vid I've seen so far

shit there is barely any popup as far as I can see? I expected something like GTA:SA with cars popping up all over.

I saw some bushes pop up at about 3:15 but they were way in the distance. It isnt worse than this?! Or is this the Ps3 version?

 

[Jtrizzy]

I don't think Sony are willing to pay hundreds of millions dollars to get exclusivity on one game...

Please excuse me for quoting the "idiot" who has no idea what he's talking about, but he also mentioned that Sony wouldn't be able to afford 3rd party money hats on major games for a few years as a result of releasing late and being so far behind in user base.

I guess we'll see. Isn't there a rumor that Fallout will be a timed exclusive?

 

[sprocket]

Oh this is going to be good.

Different physics engine?

More intuitive driving model?

Or is it still just slightly more pop-in and occasional frame rate issues? 5 second loading instead of 7 second?

What a crippling slew of deficiencies. Is there a such thing as Bitter Cheers?

Those are the exact same things that have plagued some ps3 ports. Now its the other way and its not a big deal anymore?

Seriously though better frame rate and better draw distance for pop in is a huge thing. But you also get better AA and shaper textures.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

shit there is barely any popup as far as I can see? I expected something like GTA:SA with cars popping up all over.

I saw some bushes pop up at about 3:15 but they were way in the distance. It isnt worse than this?! Or is this the Ps3 version?

I'm pretty sure that's 360. Like I said. Bitter Cheers.

 

[Chrange]

shit there is barely any popup as far as I can see? I expected something like GTA:SA with cars popping up all over.

I saw some bushes pop up at about 3:15 but they were way in the distance. It isnt worse than this?! Or is this the Ps3 version?

I noticed you leave blood spatters on the pavement when you ditch a bike going top speed. That's pretty impressive attention to detail

 

[Treo360]

shit there is barely any popup as far as I can see? I expected something like GTA:SA with cars popping up all over.

I saw some bushes pop up at about 3:15 but they were way in the distance. It isnt worse than this?! Or is this the Ps3 version?

The 360 has some pop-in, however it's negligible (as in way out in the distance) I've yet to run into a car that popped up out of nowhere. There is texture pop-in, and it's usually after a save loaded up, frame rate is solid with some minor instances where it would slow down. If anything I think the LOD could use some work, but then given the scale of the city it isn't too bad.

I noticed you leave blood spatters on the pavement when you ditch a bike going top speed. That's pretty impressive attention to detail

wait until you run over some pedestrians, they leave marks everywhere.:lol

 

[Papercuts]

shit there is barely any popup as far as I can see? I expected something like GTA:SA with cars popping up all over.

I saw some bushes pop up at about 3:15 but they were way in the distance. It isnt worse than this?! Or is this the Ps3 version?

The worst of the pop up I've seen was watching a live stream of some guy running on the beach, the little patches of grass appeared right in front of him. I think it'll be a non-issue for the most part though.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Those are the exact same things that have plagued some ps3 ports. Now its the other way and its not a big deal anymore?

Seriously though better frame rate and better draw distance for pop in is a huge thing. But you also get better AA and shaper textures.

It was NEVER a big deal when those were the only differences.

Are trying to say there is an Orange Box level of difference between these two versions?

As far as frame rate goes, no one who's played it has mentioned any problem with that. And as far as pop-in, the only evidence we saw of that was completely negligible. And as far as loading times, most averaged around 5 seconds and all were completely dependent on how far one was from a hospital/policia.

So, the first sentence is not a huge thing and the second one can easily be chalked up to or even rendered inert by proper TV calibration.

So, no. There are no "huge" differences between these two versions anymore than MS scored a "huge" victory of the PS3 in the March NPD.

There is only one "huge" difference between these versions. One is a platform for the continuing adventures of Niko Bellic as soon as they start, the other is a platform for the continuing adventures of Niko Bellic at some point after that, if at all.

Focusing on anything else, with the ample evidence at hand, looks a lot to me like straw grasping.

 

[Jtrizzy]

The only numbered GTA game last generation was GTA 3. I don't see why it would be any different this generation...

You are missing the point. They can call it whatever they want, there will absolutely be another GTA during this gen.

Edit: I missed the point of what Beer Monkey was saying. I interpreted it as this would be the only GTA game this gen.

 

[rollingstart]

shit there is barely any popup as far as I can see? I expected something like GTA:SA with cars popping up all over.

I saw some bushes pop up at about 3:15 but they were way in the distance. It isnt worse than this?! Or is this the Ps3 version?

That is the 360 version.

There were some points early in the video where the gas station faded in and all that that kind of caught my attention, but it there isnt too much popup.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

You are missing the point. They can call it whatever they want, there will absolutely be another GTA during this gen.

And I think, like last gen, they'll be working within the confines of the first installment. The PS2 didn't suddenly grow a hard drive between III and SA and yet, here we are, with the final installment of that trilogy markedly larger in scope than the first.

 

[FIREBABY]

The 360 has some pop-in, however it's negligible (as in way out in the distance) I've yet to run into a car that popped up out of nowhere. There is texture pop-in, and it's usually after a save loaded up, frame rate is solid with some minor instances where it would slow down. If anything I think the LOD could use some work, but then given the scale of the city it isn't too bad.



wait until you run over some pedestrians, they leave marks everywhere.:lol

What,what what?!? you have it already?

 

[Jtrizzy]

Yeah see my edit.

 

[polyh3dron]

After much deliberation I think I will keep my 360 preorder. However if I get an RRoD or something while playing it I will be harassing their Indian call center so much...

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

After much deliberation I think I will keep my 360 preorder. However if I get an RRoD or something while playing it I will be harassing their Indian call center so much...

Oh, my friend. We will be chartering a fucking airplane.

 

[adelante]

Those are the exact same things that have plagued some ps3 ports. Now its the other way and its not a big deal anymore?

Seriously though better frame rate and better draw distance for pop in is a huge thing. But you also get better AA and shaper textures.

It was a big deal then because you KNOW the PS3's been hyped up to be a technically superior console.

 

[Bizzyb]

Only on GAF.....


well, maybe gamefaqs too


j/k!

 

[Elbrain]

If those are indeed the covers for the game Ofcorse I will get the PS3 version! Even though I only have the PS3, Hot Jessica Chobot cover FTW!

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

If those are indeed the covers for the game Ofcorse I will get the PS3 version! Even though I only have the PS3 Hot Jessica Chobot cover FTW!

As hot a chick as that is, I do prefer having Niko front and center, seeing what I have of the game's story.

He is the heart and soul of GTA4.

 

[ScrabbleBanshee]

It was a big deal then because you KNOW the PS3's been hyped up to be a technically superior console.

Estimation that the barn is going to burn down when the gameplay videos for Resistance 2 come down the chute.

 

[Ken Masters]

True.

slightly more vibrant and sharp...

This could easily be TV settings/connection or 360 expand setting. What I mean is this has nothing to do with graphics or framerate. It was silly for EGM to even mention it.

I can give you that point for sharpness and color, but LMAO @ you saying the TV could effect the fram rate, aliasing, pop up


sorry, those things ARE NOT dictated by the TV

 

[cyberheater]

Oh you mean because he has a slight sony bias...

I'm not sure you understand the word 'slight' or are using it in a totally novel or possibly ironical way...

 

[Zer0]

wel..after spending some hours with this game wow..really wow

this is the finest product i have seen on my 34 years of gaming,the attention to detail,THE ANIMATIONS and everything..jesus

 

[Orlics]

Oh you mean because he has a slight sony bias, and actually researches his posts?

then err yeah shit thread

(this thread was doomed from the beginning, but i suppose that's the point of this thread)

No, you see, one of the things that irks people about MikeB is that he does a lot of research... then adds his own spin to the things he quotes. For example it is true that Rockstar said that GTAV might not fit on DVD. However he conveniently left out the next sentence, where the guy said he has a few solutions in mind and is confident MS will implement one of those solutions.

It is like the creationists who quote Darwin's sentence about the human eye out of context. I am not suggesting MikeB is a creationist.

 

[Treo360]

I'm not sure you understand the word 'slight' or are using it in a totally novel or possibly ironical way...

I'm sure it was used in a novel way, I'm mean it's not like mikeb acts in the most objective way. Right?

 

[szaromir]

http://vimeo.com/941075
That's the best vid I've seen so far

Are there more 720p videos floating around?

 

[ichigo kurosaki]

This is getting tiring. If there were a big difference b/w the versions like with all those shitty 360 to PS3 conversions I'd understand it, but when the difference is minimal (such as GTA4 -apparently- or Burnout Paradise) just get the one you feel like getting. I'll buy the PS3 version cause it's the one I feel like buying and I couldn't care less about DLC or microsoft points. Do the same and be happy.

 

[ScrabbleBanshee]

No, you see, one of the things that irks people about MikeB is that he does a lot of research... then adds his own spin to the things he quotes. For example it is true that Rockstar said that GTAV might not fit on DVD. However he conveniently left out the next sentence, where the guy said he has a few solutions in mind and is confident MS will implement one of those solutions.

It is like the creationists who quote Darwin's sentence about the human eye out of context. I am not suggesting MikeB is a creationist.

Doublespace running on the 360 in 2009!

 

[Deleted member 22576]

I can give you that point for sharpness and color, but LMAO @ you saying the TV could effect the fram rate, aliasing, pop up


sorry, those things ARE NOT dictated by the TV

Um, his post isn't the most eloquent, but you might want to read it again.

 

[cyberheater]

I'm sure it was used in a novel way, I'm mean it's not like mikeb acts in the most objective way. Right?

Yes I feel it's fair to say that he's 'passionate' and 'focussed' about his subject. Good for him.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

PS3 version because I can't play at loud volumes! PS3 quietness ftw!