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[Mr Nash]

Saw this piece about a growing side effect of stepped up deportation efforts by the US with regards to undocumented workers. It's a pretty bad situation on its own, but all the more poignant when one considers public opinion in certain spheres around the US regarding illegal immigrants and how some of the folks running for president are trying to tap into it.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/12/obama-immigration-deportations-central-america

The US government is deporting undocumented immigrants back to Central America to face the imminent threat of violence, with several individuals being murdered just days or months after their return, a Guardian investigation has found.

The Guardian has confirmed three separate cases of Honduran men who have been gunned down shortly after being deported by the US government. Each was murdered in their hometowns, soon after their return – one just a few days after he was expelled from the US.

Immigration experts believe that the Guardian’s findings represent just the tip of the iceberg. A forthcoming academic study based on local newspaper reports has identified as many as 83 US deportees who have been murdered on their return to El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras since January 2014.

Human rights groups warn that deterrent measures taken by the Obama administration after last year’s “surge” in arrivals at the border of unaccompanied children from Central America have triggered a series of powerful unintended consequences across the region.

 

[User1608]

I really feel for the victims. This entire thing is such a clusterfuck of a mess. May they RIP.

 

[Earthstrike]

And people who claim to be "pro-life" won't give a shit.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Failure on so many levels. Failure on our end tonot have a legal immigration system accessible enough for people to come reasonably when they should and decades of corporations exploiting undocumented labor to drive profit margins. Not to mention these nations where gangs run that damned wild people flee their own nation.

Just sad.

 

[EMT0]

Failure on so many levels. Failure on our end tonot have a legal immigration system accessible enough for people to come reasonably when they should and decades of corporations exploiting undocumented labor to drive profit margins. Not to mention these nations where gangs run that damned wild people flee their own nation.

Just sad.

That and past foreign policy via the US ensuring that Central America would be little more than unstable banana republics at best. Gotta love the spreading of democracy.

 

[Elfforkusu]

If you're okay with deportation, you should be okay with this. It's a given. It's not going to change any time soon.

 

[badcrumble]

If you're okay with deportation, you should be okay with this. It's a given. It's not going to change any time soon.

Or, to put it better, people advocating deportation are advocating for this whether they know it or not.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

I don't see many of these Refugees as different than the Refugees in Europe. We can't play high and mighty when we ignore those at our border

They're fleeing violence and terrible conditions. They should be welcomed and we should actively stop making the situation where they are coming from worse

 

[kswiston]

And people who claim to be "pro-life" won't give a shit.

They escaped the womb alive, so they had their chance.

 

[Elfforkusu]

Or, to put it better, people advocating deportation are advocating for this whether they know it or not.

Sure, but ignorance is never an excuse for negligence.

 

[Valhelm]

Is there any way to verify if certain people are fleeing danger rather than simple poverty?

I feel for all of these migrants, but accepting anyone and everyone can cause huge economic and social problems.

Or, to put it better, people advocating deportation are advocating for this whether they know it or not.

Nobody who advocates mass deportation gives a shit about brown people.

 

[lednerg]

Trump said that they are drug dealers, murderers and rapists. And also that they're all from Mexico. Check and mate, The Guardian.

 

[vas_a_morir]

I don't know how to feel about it, honestly. These are desperate people seeking unofficial 'asylum' of sorts and their only known crime is seeking a better life for themselves or their families, but at the same time, you simply cannot have undocumented foreigners in your country. No country in the world tolerates it, especially in the age of heightened terrorism awareness in the public. Just a lose-lose situation given the circumstances.

 

[Sub_Level]

Honduras is the murder capital of the world. 169 homicides per 100k people.

 

[King Tubby]

I would say, it's not the deporting country's responsibility how bad the situation is in another country. I would say that, but the US has had more than a small role in the affairs of Central America over the years.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

I would say, it's not the deporting country's responsibility how bad the situation is in another country. I would say that, but the US has had more than a small role in the affairs of Central America over the years.

if they are refugees it sure is

http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49da0e466.html

 

[Sub_Level]

Since you mention presidential candidates, OP, here is an interesting little article on Hillary with respect to Honduras. It specifically focuses on her time as secretary of state.

 

[Mr Nash]

I would say, it's not the deporting country's responsibility how bad the situation is in another country. I would say that, but the US has had more than a small role in the affairs of Central America over the years.

It actually mentions that it's against international law in the article.

From the article:

Human rights experts warn that in its haste to expel or deter undocumented immigrants, the US government is scrimping on its obligation to provide asylum to those genuinely in peril in violation of international law.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Since you mention presidential candidates, OP, here is an interesting little article on Hillary with respect to Honduras. It specifically focuses on her time as secretary of state.

He gets that article out of,

“In the subsequent days [after the coup] I spoke with my counterparts around the hemisphere, including Secretary [Patricia] Espinosa in Mexico,” Clinton writes. “We strategized on a plan to restore order in Honduras and ensure that free and fair elections could be held quickly and legitimately, which would render the question of Zelaya moot.”

he seems to completely draw his chosen conclusion from a quote that doesn't seem to say all that


Edit: this article is by the hugo chavez stan from CEPR

He should stick to economics, not foreign policy

 

[Dai Kaiju]

Deportation of all illegals= very bad. I don't think it should be as simple as *poof* now you is citizen though.

Deportation of violent illegals= very good. It should be as simple as *poof* you is deported now. I don't know how to fix mexico though. Quarantine? Kidding. Except for the part about not knowing how to fix Mexico.

 

[Dr. Kaos]

See, when I pay my taxes, it's to help people in need. I don't want to spend my time picking charities and volunteering. Just take my money, as much as you need, and fix it!

Hire smart people, that study the problems all the time and are more likely to elaborate solutions than someone who already has a day job, a mortgage to pay, a wife to love properly and children to raise well.

I don't think deporting refugees is helpful, especially if it kills them.

Because then, it's not fucking helpful at all is it?

I'm going to blame this one on the GOP.

Good job making me slightly more ashamed of being an american. Good job on shaming us all in front of the whole world, again!

ps: have you heard the part about "as much as you need" ? Ok then. Because I'll feel happier if I'm poorer but don't see homeless people on the street and browner people treated like sub-humans. I can do WITHOUT THE GUILT THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

 

[Log4Girlz]

Why didn't we sell them guns to protect themselves?

Sarcasm aside, it's awful, but will not change. I mean, we don't care that nearly 30 thousand of our people are gunned down each year, why would we care about some immigrants? Very sad. I wish we would do the right thing.

 

[TarNaru33]

I am completely fine with deportation of illegals to be honest. Many of those coming from the area are indeed moving for better economic incentives. U.S would have to classify it as a very unstable area for them to be seen as asylum seekers/refugees. I do not think U.S government recognize the area as such.

The U.S do need a more streamlined immigration policy though.

 

[Sub_Level]

Would it be fair that:

- If all states don't contribute to the costs of taking care of refugees, then the states, especially the 4 on the border, plus certain states like New York that receive a ton of immigrants, can have their own individual policies for dealing with them.
and
- If all states contribute to the costs of taking care of refugees, then the states, especially the 4 on the border, must abide by the rules and guidelines set at a federal level.

?

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Id rather we intervene in those states to fix the problem rather than mop up the after effects of violent gangs. They will just keep streaming into the U.S. with no end in sight.

 

[Valhelm]

Id rather we intervene in those states to fix the problem rather than mop up the after effects of violent gangs. They will just keep streaming into the U.S. with no end in sight.

Intervention is a no-win game. There's a major risk of making situations worse and appearing as an imperialist bully, and even if you don't make things worse, any negative developments will be blamed on your intervention.

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Intervention is a no-win game. There's a major risk of making situations worse and appearing as an imperialist bully, and even if you don't make things worse, any negative developments will be blamed on your intervention.

If that's the case then they can sort it out, we shouldn't be obligated to take anyone in.

 

[Wilsongt]

A sad situation made worse by vile rhetoric being spewed about these people on a daily basis.

 

[Nazgul_Hunter]

Honduras and El Salvador have a loooong way ahead fighting their violence problems. I'm Salvadoran and it's really sad to see the hold that gangs have in those countries. El Salvador won't be able to get out of it by itself, they're in a vicious cycle that might end in another civil war the way it's going

 

[CrunchyFrog]

And people who claim to be "pro-life" won't give a shit.

What the fuck does this have to do with the OP? Be more thinly transparent next time, shit.

 

[CadetMahoney]

And people who claim to be "pro-life" won't give a shit.

They're usually pro-death penalty tho.

 

[Lord Morairty007]

Honduras and El Salvador have a loooong way ahead fighting their violence problems. I'm Salvadoran and it's really sad to see the hold that gangs have in those countries. El Salvador won't be able to get out of it by itself, they're in a vicious cycle that might end in another civil war the way it's going

Those gangs members were also back from the U.S when Congress in 1996 led to the deportation of thousands of the gang members who started organized crime in the U.S(like LA)