The inevitable happens: Man commits suicide from NBC's "To Catch a Predator"

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MURPHY, Texas (June 28) - A sting in which police teamed up with "Dateline NBC" to catch online pedophiles was supposed to send a flinty-eyed, Texas-style warning about this Dallas suburb: Don't mess with Murphy.

Instead, it has turned into a fiasco.

One of the 25 men caught in the sting -- a prosecutor from a neighboring county -- committed suicide when police came to arrest him. The Murphy city manager who approved the operation lost his job in the ensuing furor.

And the district attorney is refusing to prosecute any of the men, saying many of the cases were tainted by the involvement of amateurs.


"Certainly these people should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, but the fact that this was all done for television cameras raises some questions," said Mayor Bret Baldwin.

It is the first time in nine "Dateline NBC: To Catch a Predator" stings across the country in the past year and a half that prosecutors did not pursue charges.

"Dateline" has made prime-time entertainment out of contacting would-be child molesters over the Internet, luring them to a meeting place, and videotaping their humiliating confrontations with reporter Chris Hansen.

"Dateline" works with an activist group called Perverted Justice, which supplies adults who troll Internet chat rooms, posing as underage boys and girls, and try to collect incriminating sex talk.

City manager Craig Sherwood approved such an operation in this well-to-do community of 11,000 after being approached by "Dateline" and Perverted Justice, but he never informed the mayor or the City Council. He said secrecy was necessary for the sting to be effective.

Over four days in November, 24 men were arrested at a two-story home in one of Murphy's newer neighborhoods after allegedly arranging to meet boys or girls there.

Some other suspects contacted Perverted Justice decoys online but never showed up at the house. Among them was Louis Conradt Jr., an assistant prosecutor from neighboring Kauffman County, who allegedly engaged in a sexually explicit online chat with an adult posing as a 13-year-old boy.

As police knocked at his door and a "Dateline" camera crew waited in the street, Conradt shot himself.


His sister, Patricia Conradt, told the City Council that police acted as "a judge, jury and executioner that was encouraged by an out-of-control reality show."

Then, last month, Collin County District Attorney John Roach dropped all charges. He said that in 16 of the cases, he had no jurisdiction, since neither the suspects nor the decoys were in the county during the online chats.

As for the rest of the cases, he said neither police nor NBC could guarantee the chat logs were authentic and complete.

"The fact that somebody besides police officers were involved is what makes this case bad," said Roach, who was informed of the sting in advance but did not participate. "If professionals had been running the show, they would have done a much better job rather than being at the beck and call of outsiders."

As details of the suicide emerged, Murphy's mayor, City Council and most of its residents learned for the first time that potential molesters were being luring to their city. Many were furious.

"They can chase predators all they want, but they shouldn't do it in a populated area with children, two blocks from an elementary school," said Lisa Watson, 33, who lives down the road from the sting house and has three children and another on the way.

Bryan Whorton, who lives with his wife and baby across the street from the house, said his neighborhood was put in danger. Cars sped up and down the street and police sprinted from hiding spots, guns drawn, to arrest suspects, he said. One suspect dropped a bag of crack, Whorton said.

"This is a family community. It didn't look kosher at all," he said.

Two weeks ago, the City Council voted to buy out the city manager's contract for $255,000.

NBC's Hansen said Murphy is the only place the show has encountered such resistance.

"I don't want to get involved in the DA's business or the police business," he said. "I can tell you in the other locations, these issues did not come up."

Eric Nichols, a Texas deputy attorney general, said that when law enforcement authorities pull an Internet sex sting, officers posing as decoys follow strict rules. Detailed chat logs are kept to ensure that "sex talk" is initiated by the potential predator. That way, a defendant cannot claim entrapment.

Eric Chase, a defense attorney specializing in sex crimes, said stings are the job of police, not TV crews. "Police should not be abdicating a very important function to either private organizations or entertainment organizations," he said.
 
There was a long-ass thread about this.

Dateline NBC is out of control, indeed. It's nothing short of a lynch mob taking matters in their own hands. Only this time the penalty is not hanging, but exposure on national TV.
 
perryfarrell said:
There was a long-ass thread about this.

Dateline NBC is out of control, indeed. It's nothing short of a lynch mob taking matters in their own hands. Only this time the penalty is not hanging, but exposure on national TV.

which is probably worse then a hanging lol
 
While I don't exactly sympathize with pedos, these shows are getting a bit excessive. Think of the person's family, friends, etc. This show ruins THEIR lives, too -- and they could be wonderful people for all we know.
 
Speaking of which, MSNBC has been repeating these like crazy, so I've been re-capping the eps in a higher res. As an addition, the credits now include a post-mortem on the current status of the guys and their journey through the legal system.
(I'm still missing the first 2 jaunts and part 1 of Murphy, Texas)
I've been planning on posting a megatorrent for a while, but I keep finding files I can get in a higher quality. PLUS MSNBC has aired two specials only on there called "Predator Raw: The Unseen Tapes" which has entire conversations with a few guys. It's pretty scary.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mNMA8V9Zzw

Skip to 4:20 in the vid ... then go back and watch it all, it's awesome.

I assume this is taking the pish out of To Catch A ...

Aired as part of the ZOMG AMAZING Brass Eye "P3d0" special which caused utter outrage to people who hadn't seen it, whilst everyone who had seen it thought it was the funniest thing EVER
 
NBC are just a bunch of vigilantes and should be taken to task, imo. leave these things to the police and fbi, who are trained in these matters. the fact that NBC is doing it for entertainment and for their own personal gain (ratings) makes it deplorable.
 
M3wThr33 said:
Speaking of which, MSNBC has been repeating these like crazy, so I've been re-capping the eps in a higher res. As an addition, the credits now include a post-mortem on the current status of the guys and their journey through the legal system.
(I'm still missing the first 2 jaunts and part 1 of Murphy, Texas)
I've been planning on posting a megatorrent for a while, but I keep finding files I can get in a higher quality. PLUS MSNBC has aired two specials only on there called "Predator Raw: The Unseen Tapes" which has entire conversations with a few guys. It's pretty scary.

Dateline on Piracy is waiting for you.
 
NBC are just a bunch of vigilantes and should be taken to task, imo. leave these things to the police and fbi, who are trained in these matters. the fact that NBC is doing it for entertainment and for their own personal gain (ratings) makes it deplorable.

Yeah, poor pedophiles.
 
two points:

1. Qouting - "His sister, Patricia Conradt, told the City Council that police acted as "a judge, jury and executioner that was encouraged by an out-of-control reality show.""

-uh, her brother, a grown man, wanted to go rape a 13-year old, or at least have sexual contact of some sort, get real... if someone in my family was a sexual predator, I'd have no sympathy at all... reminds me of my mom's friend... 2 of her 3 daughters were molested by an uncle of theirs, and when she confronted her sister about it like 10 years later, the sister was defending her husband, despite multiple unrelated allegations. Enablers like this are JUST AS BAD as the predators IMO.

2. who would be stupid enough to believe that teenagers actually get left alone in huge houses like that for extended periods of time nowadays, especially after the shows popularity AND would be looking for sex with random strangers... most of the guys on there are old and ugly, I doubt kids would be setting up sex sessions with old farts when they could be doing their middle school friends instead...
 
I don't think it should be illegal to talk explicitly or solicit sex from adults.

That is what is happening here, regardless of the fact that they believe the adult they are talking to is a minor.

As far as I am concerned, no crime is committed, though I still think NBC has the right to broadcast the show.
 
glistenm said:
He's not defeding pedophilees, he's rightfully raggin on NBC for exploiting child molestation.

ding. But in threads like these, saying anything short of "cut off their penises with plastic scissors!" can get misconstrued as "I love pedophiles!".
 
The best part of this show is the personalized line that Chris Hansen greets each pedophile with as he pops out from behind a curtain.
 
Hey, let's be fair: most of these guys aren't pedophiles... they are lonely men who chat with nubile women pretending to be 15, saying they want to spend time with them. Most of these men are lonely, and it's very unethical how this operation is ran. Now, a pedophile, on the other, wants to rape 6 year old boys and girls, usually boys. There is a difference between a 15 year old girl and a 7 year old boy. A 15 year old girl would be the right age to be married 100 years ago, and still in many parts of the world. I'm not saying these guys are saints, in fact, they are idiots for believing that a young 14 year old girl wants a 50 year old trucker to come rock her world, but to call them pedophiles would be an inaccurate description. In truth, this show is sick, and does little to help the world, but rather parades these men for us to laugh at... which, i must admit, I have indulged in the past. But these men are not so much predators as they are prey, in this case. While I have limited sympathy for these men, I think the self-righteous tone of Dateline makes it easier for me to see the accused as victims in their own way.
 
Everytime you feel the urge to watch To Catch a Predator, just watch the Brass Eye special DCharlie linked to three or four times. Works like a charm.
 
vas_a_morir said:
Hey, let's be fair: most of these guys aren't pedophiles... they are lonely men who chat with nubile women pretending to be 15, saying they want to spend time with them. Most of these men are lonely, and it's very unethical how this operation is ran. Now, a pedophile, on the other, wants to rape 6 year old boys and girls, usually boys. There is a difference between a 15 year old girl and a 7 year old boy. A 15 year old girl would be the right age to be married 100 years ago, and still in many parts of the world. I'm not saying these guys are saints, in fact, they are idiots for believing that a young 14 year old girl wants a 50 year old trucker to come rock her world, but to call them pedophiles would be an inaccurate description. In truth, this show is sick, and does little to help the world, but rather parades these men for us to laugh at... which, i must admit, I have indulged in the past. But these men are not so much predators as they are prey, in this case. While I have limited sympathy for these men, I think the self-righteous tone of Dateline makes it easier for me to see the accused as victims in their own way.

I always think that until they get to the chat transcripts.

"I want to put my THANG in your mouth."
 
M3wThr33 said:
I always think that until they get to the chat transcripts.

"I want to put my THANG in your mouth."

Oh yeah... I forgot about the transcripts.

"you said 'I want to stick my finger in your p****. Then later, I want you on top, doing a split, while grabbing onto a ceiling fan, thus spinning your p**** around my d***.' did you not, sir"

"Wasn't me"
 
Verboten said:
I know, but how's this thread going to become interesting?[/spoiler]

Their prop-13 year old would be legal in only a few months here in Canada.

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