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The Intercept: NSA report details Russian hacking effort days before 2016 US election
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Theonik
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To avoid appearances that Obama was trying to influence the election that would have turned a very serious matter into a politicised issue. More so than it's already been.
that woman tweeting about "opsec" thinks bernie bros are russian bots:
so yeah, massive grain of salt. she probably learned the word opsec today from all the tweets floating around about the arrest of the leaker.
and, considering the fact that the intercept and glenn greenwald were so paranoid about leaks and exposing snowden enough to put their phones in the refrigerator while they were talking, i don't think they burned a source. reading the justice department thing, it seems pretty easy to figure out who it was given that she used her work computer and they track which documents are seen
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
jellies_two
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that woman tweeting about "opsec" thinks bernie bros are russian bots:
so yeah, massive grain of salt. she probably learned the word opsec today from all the tweets floating around about the arrest of the leaker.
and, considering the fact that the intercept and glenn greenwald were so paranoid about leaks and exposing snowden enough to put their phones in the refrigerator while they were talking, i don't think they burned a source. reading the justice department thing, it seems pretty easy to figure out who it was given that she used her work computer and they track which documents are seen
Of course they screwed up, Snowden was the one who told them how to behave securely. They probably forgot or never really knew.
The intercept is regarded by a bunch of people as Putin influenced. It might be simpler to say they are useful idiots.
The same people who say the intercept was russian influenced also say this report was exactly what Putin wants to happen. Because everything Putin influenced people do is supposed to be perfectly aligned with his game plan but it is more likely they wanted to break a story and they screwed up. And given Trumps focus on Leaks the FBI and DOJ could score an easy take down of a young contractor who didn't realise how to do things right.
It doesn't really matter - except for her and her family - the report is real and the aim of the attackers to specifically target election counting related firms, the way they specifically targeted the DNC etc, is the news.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
That's like washing your hands before handling fish that's been left unrefrigerated for a couple weeks.
Vigilant Gambit
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that woman tweeting about "opsec" thinks bernie bros are russian bots:
so yeah, massive grain of salt. she probably learned the word opsec today from all the tweets floating around about the arrest of the leaker.
and, considering the fact that the intercept and glenn greenwald were so paranoid about leaks and exposing snowden enough to put their phones in the refrigerator while they were talking, i don't think they burned a source. reading the justice department thing, it seems pretty easy to figure out who it was given that she used her work computer and they track which documents are seen
Actually, the paranoia was all Snowden's. If you read the book on it, all that stuff delayed the leaks by a good amount of time. Can't recall if it was weeks or months, but basically, Snowden came outta nowhere saying "hey, if you jump through all these hoops, I'll talk to you," and Greenwald said "pffft, nah," until Snowden finally convinced him.
So it's hard to say where the ball was dropped, but when someone is emailing news orgs from their work pc...
https://twitter.com/max_read/status/871853843906265092
This was linked through a few reporters' twitters. Seems like a reasonable conclusion. The gist is that the DOJ would've found her immediately regardless of the crease and that they're playing up the crease to discourage leaking.
This was linked through a few reporters' twitters. Seems like a reasonable conclusion. The gist is that the DOJ would've found her immediately regardless of the crease and that they're playing up the crease to discourage leaking.
HeisenbergLannister
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So Trump is a fake president who's favorite deflecting mechanism is to shout "FAKE NEWS!"
Version 3.0
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The one thing the Russians don't do every election year is have a candidate on the ballot.
So, Putin hired a 25-year old contractor to leak this document to the Intercept who then presents his Russian bias by publishing a heavy-hitting story about Russian hacking attempts connected to the election? Man this guy certainly plays 564646th dimensional chess.
Get real. Stop with this absolutely ridiculous theories about Bond villain mastermind Putin controlling everything just for justifying your personal, unsubstantiated (as explained multiple times in this thread already) bias against the Intercept. I mean, are you for real? You are trying to use an anti-Russian story from the Intercept as proof for a Pro-Russian bias? That's some Spicer level spinning.
What happened to the woman is horrible. It's entirely reasonable to assume that such reports would maybe never see the light of day in a Trump-controlled environment. There are enough Trump shills around, even in the IC. By making this public, she throws another direct wrench in the lies and deflections of Trump and the GOP. She did nothing wrong. The amount of possible prison time is, as usual for US standards, infuriating and laughable.
shawnbuddy
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We're too quick to give random people on Twitter, like this lady, credit and run with their theories just because they shoot out a long tweet.
superdeluxe
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When greenwald, who to many is seen a Russian shill says it, you listen.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Seriously not even a blue check mark next to her name.
Lord Frieza
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You took what I said entirely the wrong way. I'm not saying what I'm saying to somehow deny Trump is President. I'm saying it because just calling him 45 is dumb. If you can't stomach calling him President, just call him Trump lol. Everyone knows he's President, you don't have to go through mental gymnastics to justify it. If you can't stand that call him Don the Con or something. This ain't damn The Prisoner.
jellies_two
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thats a silly way to discourage leaking. If they want to scare contractors say that every print out is encoded with small changes that survive photographs and so on and ties it back to the secure facility, user id and time if was printed. If you want to redesign the NSA to scare leakers you make its systems always produce (whether screen or printer) subtly unique versions of everything stored that contains digital watermarks.
BlastProcessing
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that woman tweeting about "opsec" thinks bernie bros are russian bots:
so yeah, massive grain of salt. she probably learned the word opsec today from all the tweets floating around about the arrest of the leaker.
and, considering the fact that the intercept and glenn greenwald were so paranoid about leaks and exposing snowden enough to put their phones in the refrigerator while they were talking, i don't think they burned a source. reading the justice department thing, it seems pretty easy to figure out who it was given that she used her work computer and they track which documents are seen
There is plenty of evidence that there were Russian bots working against Clinton in the primaries. That doesn't mean that Sanders was, in any way, working with the Russians. Only that they were working to help him defeat Clinton.
Clinton Watts touched on this in his testimony before congress. Because these bot networks have to work in the open, they can be pretty easily tracked. It would be even easier to track their work if Twitter or Facebook assisted, but neither is enthusiastic to publicize how much of their traffic is bot related.
LegendofJoe
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I referenced arguments and reporting done by Greenwald at a prestigious graduate school. My professors considered him a legitimate source. That was years ago before the craziness of Snowden, Assange, and Trump though so maybe it would be different now.
I dont know - this is just someone pointing out something pretty obvious then inferring something for discussion, not breaking news. Their only point is this person would've been arrested regardless, which is true, the NSA would certainly have checked to see if the doc had been printed.
KernelPanic
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I saw "Bernie bros" on Twitter who magically switched to Trump out of outrage when he was out.
They were definitely playing both sides.
They were definitely playing both sides.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
CALLED IT.
The *one* thing I couldn't get over this entire time is how we're supposed to believe Russia went to all these lengths with disinformation and bots and fake news and turning actual members of campaigns ... but didn't get fucky with polling machines? We're supposed to believe that??
The *one* thing I couldn't get over this entire time is how we're supposed to believe Russia went to all these lengths with disinformation and bots and fake news and turning actual members of campaigns ... but didn't get fucky with polling machines? We're supposed to believe that??
LegendofJoe
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Yeah......NO.
jellies_two
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Correct! the Obama DOJ would do exactly the same thing.
It is true that leaks make the IC look a bit inept (which helps Putin) but it is also true that public confirmation that Russia was aiming at a voting contractor is not helpful to his lies and is likely to accelerate pressure to tighten up the election system and investigate collusion and increase sanctions (which hurts Putin).
While he may have a chuckle at all the internal finger pointing, it doesn't make sense that he would want to orchestrate this, and if he did want to, it says something about how few bombs he has left to throw.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
After hearing time and again that polling machines would have to be tampered with individually on-site I'm shocked-not-shocked that it can be done just before they're deployed.
Bernie is just a useful idiot. Jill Stein, though...
Bernie is just a useful idiot. Jill Stein, though...
BackLogJoe
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She will be considered a hero for the next four years. In 2020, she will get pardoned and will get a book deal for millions. I would make the same trade. lol.
I can't wait for Trump to weirdly double down on this.
'YES THE RUSSIANS HACKED THE ELECTIONS. BEST HACKERS. AMAZING HACKERS. I KNOW THESE HACKERS. But the whole Russian thing is fake news and they are going to fund the wall and this is all because Hillary didn't go to jail and-'
Then he just explodes.
'YES THE RUSSIANS HACKED THE ELECTIONS. BEST HACKERS. AMAZING HACKERS. I KNOW THESE HACKERS. But the whole Russian thing is fake news and they are going to fund the wall and this is all because Hillary didn't go to jail and-'
Then he just explodes.
CrazyIvan1978
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Not sure how it works anywhere else, but original ballots at my voting location were scanned and then shredded. So the recount still looked at the electronic data, and if it was compromised, then recounts are worth the same as the shit data it is recounting...
hey_monkey
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These parts aren't new.
Not at all surprising. The Obama administration really should have stepped in and said something sooner but if reports are to believed they felt a Hillary victory was assured, didn't want to politicize Russian interference, and wanted to give President Clinton the space to respond to Russia on her own terms. All 3 assumptions were mistaken.
GameAddict411
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It's too late to know what sort of damage this hacking done to the elections. But it's more evidence of the collision between Trump's administration and the Russians.
I somewhat wonder whether the rigged statements were part of the plan. If Russia knew of an Obama announcement on the hacking, they could have preempted it with a major disinformation campaign that then Trump could have picked up on.
There were also some issues in Connecticut database the night of the election. The CT Secretary of State's vote database was switching votes for candidates up and down the ballot once totals were sent in from local precincts. Bridgeport's system was also down for hours.
The Russians worked things masterfully with the help of the fact the very type of people to support Trump are the people to buy into conspiracies about Obama etc. It would have been Emperor Obumbo trying to steal the election etc etc.
Its frustrating because I managed to talk my Republican family out of voting for Trump in the election and they still dislike Trump but still think the Russian stuff even if True is only cared about so Obama can try and get back into office. Got into a shouting match with them today over the fact that every single conspiracy they have bought into about Obama has never happened and never will happen yet they still hold onto them.
rockinreelin
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They dun fucked up. Doubt anyone will ever send them leaked docs anymore.
KernelPanic
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Look who's supporting her:
https://twitter.com/julianassange/status/871889259199909894
Alleged NSA whistleblower Reality Leigh Winner must be supported. She is a young women accused of courage in trying to help us know.
https://twitter.com/julianassange/status/871889259199909894
Alleged NSA whistleblower Reality Leigh Winner must be supported. She is a young women accused of courage in trying to help us know.
BlazinSkatinAxel
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Crazy that this person is charged before the Trump admin... She shouldn't have leaked it. It is already under investigation.
DontBeThatGuy
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other thread.
soul creator
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Espionage Act of 1917 putting in work
This is what was constantly used for other whistleblowers who leaked to the press over the past 8 years. Funny how giving information to journalists always gets conflated with "espionage".
This is what was constantly used for other whistleblowers who leaked to the press over the past 8 years. Funny how giving information to journalists always gets conflated with "espionage".
sturgboski
Member
Look this campaign is more like a M Night movie when it comes to twists. Bernie being the mastermind is WWE levels and 45's campaign is not at that level.
shawnbuddy
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I was referring to Leah McElrath's tweets. Not the Max Read one I quoted.
She's accusing an outlet of carelessly "burning" a whistleblower, leading to that whistleblower's arrest. That's a hugely serious accusation and also apparently not true. We shouldn't let the quickest person to make a wild claim on the tweet machine hijack the conversation the way we do.
Shadow Puppetry
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But WikiLeaks said FAKE NEWS to Russia ties.
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