The Legend of Korra: Book Two Spirits |OT| Korra Ain't Number Wan
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TangerineCloud
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I was a big avatar nut, imagine how excited when Korra came out but, I'm not excited for this new season at all aside from the first avatar episode..Korra season 1 was just a mess aside from a few good moments here and there. The pacing seems really off and the season finale really did leave a bad aftertaste, oh, and the the romance in this series is really cringe worthy and feels out of place a lot of times =/
Pretty much the same boat, giving this new season a chance though. The show isn't irredeemable yet.
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Megidolaon
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Man, I'm really hyped for this. I loved Book 1 even with the stupid love triangle (Mako, geez, do you like Korra or not?)
I like the creepy twins and it should be funny to see how they act if they become part of team Avatar.
Today will be a nice treat after work.
I like the creepy twins and it should be funny to see how they act if they become part of team Avatar.
Today will be a nice treat after work.
I still think if you really disliked Book One from top to bottom, you will not like Book Two. Because it seems to me, even beyond just some of the poor plot choices, the bigger issue for these fans is the characters and the overall tone/style. I really think the tone/style for this show won't change this season. So even if the story is better, it's not going to change the characters or how the show feels compared to the TLA.
I hope I'm wrong of course. But I just doubt that people that hated Book One will love this season.
I hope I'm wrong of course. But I just doubt that people that hated Book One will love this season.
foxuzamaki
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I think people went sour way too much on season 1, pretty much the majority loved season 1 all the way up until the final episode and then suddenly hated the whole thing, not saying thats everybody ofcourse.
I think we all held the delusion S1 could be saved by a mindblowing finale and were somewhat strung along because there were these occasional flashes of the old Avatar brilliant blend of comedy-drama-tragedy-action.
Most of the time (bar the truly horrific romance scenes) Korra as a series of standalone scenes worked out fine. It was only as a whole that its flaws became far more apparent.
I still can't believe they had this amazing setup for what could've been a really interesting exploration of a universe of built-in inequality and unfairness and they absolutely pissed it all away. They dealt so well with the traditional 'evil empire' thing in ATLA...
Most of the time (bar the truly horrific romance scenes) Korra as a series of standalone scenes worked out fine. It was only as a whole that its flaws became far more apparent.
I still can't believe they had this amazing setup for what could've been a really interesting exploration of a universe of built-in inequality and unfairness and they absolutely pissed it all away. They dealt so well with the traditional 'evil empire' thing in ATLA...
So pumped. Loved ATLA, and Korra Book 1 was pretty solid, I personally didn't mind the whole love triangle. Also, the bending sport reminded me of Blitzball from Final Fantasy 
Now we're getting a book based on spirits conflict AND the first avatar? This is everything I've ever wanted.
Now we're getting a book based on spirits conflict AND the first avatar? This is everything I've ever wanted.
CornBurrito
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Same here, about the disappointed part. Dunno if I'll bother giving Book Two a shot unless you and the other people who disliked Book One are satisfied.
I don't have a problem with heavy criticism of Book One, I think they are very legitimate. However, while I had my issues with Book One as well, there was a lot about it that I still loved. Like, despite the fact that the characters needed more depth and better arcs, I still loved the majority of the Characters (Korra, Tenzin, Lin, Bolin, Asami, Amon etc). I liked Republic City, and the Revolution plot. I might not have been happy how the story wrapped up. But I did in fact like the plot itself, and the premise.
So I get those disappointed. I was disappointed. BUT - I still enjoyed the season front to back. I liked the majority of the episodes.
I just feel like if you hated everything about Book One, and you actually thought it was awful, I believe there is some fundamental things about the show that aren't going to change as it goes on. So regardless of where this season goes plot wise and even if they fix some of the writing issues from last season, I still think those that absolutely hated everything about One, won't like it. Just my prediction though.
Man, don't even remind me.
Also, I don't believe in people who give ATLA's ending a pass but shit on LoK's. Cut from the same mold.
LoK's is far, FAR worse.
I'm pretty sure they're worlds apart. One took some time to setup and had a sensible reasoning behind it, one was so out of the blue even the character in question seemed shocked.
I disagree. Aang gets a cop out that makes no sense with respect to his station in the Avatar universe. He gets an unprecedented technique that conveniently solves all his problems with no agency on his part. He counsels all his past lives (which is the exact advantage of being the Avatar) and they all tell him to man the fuck up. Then the Lion Turtle shows up like, "I got your hook ups, breh."
And then the rock.
That's almost one to one terribleness with Korra's airbending out of nowhere and Aangception, except energybending is actually kind of cool so it gets a bonus multiplier for that.
Megidolaon
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Didn't know people were so sour on Book 1. I thought it was an excellent showing overall, and I loved TLA. I didn't mind pro-bending at all, and I'm liking Mako/Korra far more than Katara/Aang at this point, so that's good. The animation is top-notch too.
The end was a bit rushed, but since I knew it was no longer a mini-series an there were more books ahead, I didn't mind that much. If it ended permanently there, that'd be another thing.
I'm happy to see more of the wold, and happy that the Southern Water Tribe has rebuilt itself into a bustling community again. It was kind of in a depressing state in TLA.
And I'm interested to see how the series handles the characters actually being in a relationship. TLA had Katara and Aang only get together in the last episode. It took Aang until Book 3 to even admit his feelings to her. Sure, Sokka and Suki dated, and Zuko and Mai (yuck). But this time it's the main characters, not supporting ones.
And to those hoping they break up, don't bet on it. They may break up temporarily for the drama, but the couple is going to be the Katara/Aang of the series.
EDIT: And didn't know Studio Pierrot was working on this. That's the Naruto studio right? Lol I though JM was handling all the Kora eps. Didn't they do a majority of TLA episodes?
The end was a bit rushed, but since I knew it was no longer a mini-series an there were more books ahead, I didn't mind that much. If it ended permanently there, that'd be another thing.
I'm happy to see more of the wold, and happy that the Southern Water Tribe has rebuilt itself into a bustling community again. It was kind of in a depressing state in TLA.
And I'm interested to see how the series handles the characters actually being in a relationship. TLA had Katara and Aang only get together in the last episode. It took Aang until Book 3 to even admit his feelings to her. Sure, Sokka and Suki dated, and Zuko and Mai (yuck). But this time it's the main characters, not supporting ones.
And to those hoping they break up, don't bet on it. They may break up temporarily for the drama, but the couple is going to be the Katara/Aang of the series.
EDIT: And didn't know Studio Pierrot was working on this. That's the Naruto studio right? Lol I though JM was handling all the Kora eps. Didn't they do a majority of TLA episodes?
TangerineCloud
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Dunno if anyone's interested, but apparently the hardcover compilation of the second set of Avatar comics is coming this February:
I read The Promise and thought it was pretty decent, but I held off on checking out this one. Anyone here have any opinions on The Search?
I read The Promise and thought it was pretty decent, but I held off on checking out this one. Anyone here have any opinions on The Search?
And to those hoping they break up, don't bet on it. They may break up temporarily for the drama, but the couple is going to be the Katara/Aang of the series.
They're going to start calling each other sweetie, aren't they.
I swear if they even start I give up on this show.
I believe they're busy doing Boondocks S4. At least that's what I remember reading.
Aside from the main huge reveal, it's pretty uneventful. If you know what the reveal is, the rest of the Search (so far) feels unnecessary.
Phoenician_Viking
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Shouldn´t Korra be airing now?
TangerineCloud
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Pierrot started out doing the animation for S2 after Studio Mir declined (the Korra book 1 studio formed by JM alums) because they were busy with Boondocks season 4. Apparently things with Pierrot didn't work out so well because, half way through, Bryan and Mike pitched book 2 of Korra to Mir again, and Mir accepted. So the animation for Book 2 is split up between the two studios.
Bummer. That's sorta how I felt about The Promise. The parts that were good were good, but for such a short series, it sure had a lot of fluff.
There's a little less than 8 hours left until it premieres.
Megidolaon
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They probably will start doing that, but it'll gross Bolin out and he'll smack Mako with earthbending, and they'll knock it off. Plus, if Asami's around they can't do that.
I'm most excited for the creepy twins. They're like Mai, except for some reason they seem cooler. Mai came across as a bitch too much. They're like Tharja twins. And if they join Team Avatar, that'll be the first time we get a male waterbender in the group.
CornBurrito
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Korra/ATLA ending comparison spoilers
Spirit Bendin, or at least the Lion Turtle was somewhat hinted at a bit earlier in the series. And even then there was some heavy risk to using it in-story that made for a dramatic 11th hour superpower. Not quite the same as Korra magically unlocking Air Bending while not using the proper stance, and not being in the proper mindset to use it.
Also Aang at least had him and his team solve all of the problems. Korra had spirit Aang whisk away so many of her problems that Aang felt like the main hero, not Korra.
Also Aang at least had him and his team solve all of the problems. Korra had spirit Aang whisk away so many of her problems that Aang felt like the main hero, not Korra.
foxuzamaki
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story's pretty mature for the last airbender universe, it does have sorta cringeworthy romancing between aang and katara, but those are few and far between, to be honest I cannot wait for part 3 part 2 was so good.
foxuzamaki
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I agree with you.
In both cases, the Avatar gets an ability that solves their problem. But the context is different. Aang is a capable Avatar who learned and grew over three seasons. He did not need energy bending to beat the fire lord - he just needed it to avoid killing him. Energy bending may have come out of left field, but it was a cool addition to the Avatar universe. It did not seem out of place.
Now lets compare that to Korra. She learns almost nothing over the season, repeating major mistakes. She *loses* her bending, which is an unprecedented fuckup on her part. I don't have an issue with this aiding in her ability to learn airbending. But then Aang comes in and gives ehr back everything she lost, PLUS energy bending PLUS the avatar state. She did not need to go on any spiritual quest like Aang did (Even with regards to energy bending, Aang spoke to those previous avatars and despite their advice, he decided not to kill the fire lord - a tough choice). She literally had everything handed to her without any legitimate effort on her part.
I honestly do not see how that is not worse. Yes energy bending came out of left field, but at least Aang did not have *everything* handed to him.
Unspeakable Evil
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vas_a_morir
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Yeah, the first series was great. And I think the last season could have been better if they would have slowed things down a bit. I hated the tacked-on romance stuff from the first two endings, though.
As for you hoping that something obvious doesn't happen in Avatar? Don't get your hopes up.
As a big fan of TLA, I was excited for the shift in tone/style. It seemed to be more mature/darker than the first series, which I thought was great. And in some ways, it was a little more mature given how they explored bloodbending and had Tarrlock commit suicide. Unfortunately, given the Twilight level romance and poor character development (outside of Lin and Asami), Korra ended up coming off as less mature than TLA. It's as if satisfying the teenage shipper side of the fanbase was prioritized over creating truly a compelling cast and story.
But I have high hopes that they'll focus more on the story and characters growing and put the fanfic-like romance junk on the backburner for the rest of the show. That's how things rolled in TLA, and I don't think one bad season means that they no longer have it in them. Hopefully it was just a bump in the road.
Also, I hope they don't ruin the main villain this time. Amon was a smug and smooth badass who could take on anyone without bending (or at least very subtle bending). Then in the very last episode he turns into a bloodbending spammer who can't even manage to pin down two people. Ugh.
Passive Assassin
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LET'S DO THIS
Fair enough points, and ones I agree with. To be clear, I'm not saying people are wrong for not liking Book One. I'm not trying to make excuses for why some didn't like it. I'm just saying that I really think there are core elements to the show that I don't see changing. So those that hated Book One, I just can't see them liking Book Two.
I do hope I'm wrong. Would be awesome if everyone loved it. But I still see the tone/style and characters driving people nuts, regardless of the plot this season.
Interesting.
I just started Parks and Rec recently!
Of course I'm interested, thanks for posting. I read all the comics digitally first, then buy the hardback version when they are all out. The Search is fine. I don't know if it's worse than the Promise. At least to me, it's about the same. So if you thought The Promise was decent, you should enjoy this. I guess this has more things actually going on, as it moves a plot forward. Whereas The Promise was kind of like the aftermath of the finale, and it was kind of getting back to the status quo.
First, comparing the finale to TLA and the book one ending of LoK is just kind of wrong... they're on totally different playing fields.
That being said, I'm surprised people are so disappointed with the ending to TLA. Sure I can see how people would be disappointed in Aang's role in it all... but come on. There's SO much more going on! Azula's controntation with her mother in the mirror, her final battle with her brother and Katara, the white lotus (every master from all the books) joining together to fight and the reveal that Zukos mother may still be alive. All those scenes are brilliant on every level. Also the last scene: the whole gang is relaxing at Iroh's tea shop joking around and then comes the final kiss that people have been waiting for since episode one.
Really, how did you want it to end? I don't see a better way it could have been done whilst keeping to Aangs peaceful values.
That being said, I'm surprised people are so disappointed with the ending to TLA. Sure I can see how people would be disappointed in Aang's role in it all... but come on. There's SO much more going on! Azula's controntation with her mother in the mirror, her final battle with her brother and Katara, the white lotus (every master from all the books) joining together to fight and the reveal that Zukos mother may still be alive. All those scenes are brilliant on every level. Also the last scene: the whole gang is relaxing at Iroh's tea shop joking around and then comes the final kiss that people have been waiting for since episode one.
Really, how did you want it to end? I don't see a better way it could have been done whilst keeping to Aangs peaceful values.
I thought the ending to ATLA was perfect. My only gripe was that the Chakra plot was kind of wishy washy, and never really had any pay off. The Lion Turtle thing was also kind of out left of field (like the Guru) - but, it worked for me, because it wasn't the only solution he needed. I mean, Aang could have killed Ozai if he really had to. So, because it was a solution that personally dealt with his struggle, it didn't both me as much. Whereas if it was the ONLY way he could beat Ozai, then I would have been a little more annoyed. Plus, as I said earlier - the energy bending was used effectively - thematically.
The Legend of Korra finale was disappointing because everything came to a conclusion in a rushed fashion. Amon's entire back story is told in 10 min via exposition. The Revolution is disbanded after a couple hand to hand fights. And Korra had every single problem fixed in the last 3 minutes of the show. Not only that, she gained immense power, and mastered things that other avatars would have had to struggle for. The Lion Turtle thing at least came before the big fight, and was a possible solution -- not the only solution. But Aang still had to face a major challenge both physically, and within himself. Korra getting her bending back happened after everything was said and done, and basically felt like they were wiping the slate clean.
I understand why people are comparing the two endings because of the writers use of Deus Ex in both. But ATLA had a Deus Ex that worked, whereas Korra's didn't. I do agree that a lot of the writing problems in Korra was present in ATLA. So people acting baffled like the writing dropped immensely, seems kind of silly. I just think ATLA had a better set of characters and world (and main plot/goal) - so that people didn't notice it as much.
shira
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Ah justin.tv. Shades of Book 1
I'm watching it live on my TV, but is justin.tv not reliable? I guess channels get shut down from time to time.
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