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The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword |OT| Home of Punkin' Chunkin' Champion 2011
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I'm on a plasma, yes.
Ghost_Protocol
Member
Totally agree. I don't really understand how anyone could look at the graphics objectively and say the color banding and blur issues in the environment don't knock the visuals down a peg. Character models look great. The world does not.
Refreshment.01
Member
I think there's some confusion regarding how people feel about FI. She is as interesting as an aiding companion can be in a Zelda game, the character concept and design is really nice. The issues users have with FI comes from how intrusive Nintendo made the character in order to spoon fed the game to the player.
Regarding the graphic side of the disscussion, now we reached a point in which a game technical deficiencies are subjective matter. Low quality textures and polygon counts, aliasing issues now fall in the realm of opinions. Never change my fanatical friends
SuperAndroid17
Member
They really dropped the ball on Fi
She really has NO character, especially compared to midna. What the hell?
She really has NO character, especially compared to midna. What the hell?
Metroid Killer
Member
And again, vertical lines apparently differ a lot from person to person (read: TV).
I remember back when Mario Galaxy came out, most people praised the graphics and some was wtf is this jaggie hell shit. Then someone would post a pic of it running on their TV(wether it looked good or bad) and you would see a lot of replies like 'wtf it doesn't look that good/bad on my tv at all!?'
Well, she's an AI of sorts..afterall.
Then again, some say Glados has more personality..but just different approaches.
Yep. A few even posted pictures of the "vertical lines in Galaxy" too.
That's why you keep around a great old CRT to use as a reference!
Refreshment.01
Member
Let's see Alex, im talking about the plot cinematics. For example,
when Link and Groose fall from the sky
Because that's the point of the character? She's the goddes "puppet". The lack of character is her "character".
Hmm, judging by all these complaints visually I take it some of you guys are playing on a 40"+ screen and not sitting 6 feet or more away?
I'm playing on a 32" sitting 6 feet away and I never notice jaggies or imperfections, perhaps i'm just not looking for the in the first place and my attention is grabbed by the game itslef?
I'm playing on a 32" sitting 6 feet away and I never notice jaggies or imperfections, perhaps i'm just not looking for the in the first place and my attention is grabbed by the game itslef?
Metroid Killer
Member
I had a fucking awesome 40" CRT before but bought a new 40" HD just before getting a Wii. While I don't experience these 'terrible' graphics that some people talk about, it would be cool to see the difference between my current and old TVs.
But there's no where in hell that I'm going to move that big ass CRT tv from my brother's apartment (4th floor) to my house XD
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Firstly, if someone is going to bitch about the graphics by mocking the paint filter - go look at a painting some time then come the hell back. It's a freakin' brush stroke filter. It's one of the best effects in the game, and visually, one of the freshest effects in any game in a while. That is dumb shit on the level of mocking cel shaded visuals with "lol is flat polygon just like PS1 such crap graphics."
In point of fact, I would agree readily at the environments are inconsistent. Skyloft is alright, but its art direction is not very memorable. The pre-dungeon overworld for Faron is also passable, but not great.
The dungeons look great though, both in terms of design and texture work (within system limitations, an obvious thing that shouldn't have to be stated, yet is still required for a lot of people it seems. YES LOL IS SD SHIT NOT SKYRIM LOLOLOLOL.)
Of course, the only 3D Zelda game so far that has consistent artistic quality is The Wind Waker. The overworlds in Ocarina and TP are the definition of bland, in terms of how they're executed (not talking about the concepts). By their standards, the overworld areas in SS are a step up, and the visual filter helps a great deal with the technical limitations of the platforms Nintendo has been working with.
In point of fact, I would agree readily at the environments are inconsistent. Skyloft is alright, but its art direction is not very memorable. The pre-dungeon overworld for Faron is also passable, but not great.
The dungeons look great though, both in terms of design and texture work (within system limitations, an obvious thing that shouldn't have to be stated, yet is still required for a lot of people it seems. YES LOL IS SD SHIT NOT SKYRIM LOLOLOLOL.)
Of course, the only 3D Zelda game so far that has consistent artistic quality is The Wind Waker. The overworlds in Ocarina and TP are the definition of bland, in terms of how they're executed (not talking about the concepts). By their standards, the overworld areas in SS are a step up, and the visual filter helps a great deal with the technical limitations of the platforms Nintendo has been working with.
Yeah Fi's actual "character" is fine by me but in the game side of things where Nintendo forces Fi to tell you how to do things is where my contempt comes from. I know I don't have to call her (which I don't do anymore) but I want to feel a connection with the character so I enjoy talking with characters. But with Fi it's just more hand holding.
I had one of the finest HD CRTs of all (Sony WEGA 36") back for Wind Waker, and as much as I loved that game, the black vertical lines during darker scenes just shat all over things.
The_Darkest_Red
Member
I'm playing on a plasma, a 50" Panasonic G20 specifically.
Personally I think the game looks good "for a Wii game." Yes, it's our favorite phrase that tends to rear its ugly head during all of these discussions but I think it is very appropriate here. Let's face it guys, the Wii is not a system designed to get the most out of your huge 1080p plasma or LCD, so you have to come in with reasonable expectations. With that in mind I think the game looks great from an art-style perspective, and I think the decisions Nintendo has made in that area go a long way towards covering up the technical deficiencies that are present in the game.
There is noticeable aliasing in the game and it's pretty obvious that it isn't being displayed in anything other than 480p. When I first started playing I noticed this right away but quickly found myself forgetting about it. In other words, it's there but I don't think it severely detracts from the overall experience. The DOF effect is also very noticeable but I personally find it to be a nice way of handling the obvious limitations imposed by the Wii in the year 2011. To me it is both creative and unique, and I don't see any reason for complaining about it. Expecting detail over long distances from this game is simply unreasonable.
I have been incredibly skeptical of SS ever since I saw the first footage for the game. I hated the art-style at first and honestly thought the IQ would be a deal-breaker for me. However, after spending some time with the game I've now found that I don't feel this way at all. Like I said, the limitations are there and their effects are apparent, but the general look and design of the game has been enough to more than make up for that in my eyes. I've been going between this, Skyrim, Battlefield 3, and even Rayman: Origins, and I honestly feel fine with how it looks. I'm not saying I don't wish the game was in glorious HD with no aliasing and incredibly detailed textures but like I said earlier --- managed expectations.
Also, I think the biggest thing this game has going for it in terms of conquering the inherent limitations placed upon its visuals is charm. Every little aspect of the game is rich with it.
MvmntInGrn
Member
As far as visuals go, it looks great on my Plasma(46-inch, TH-46PZ800U). I do have the vertical lines but it doesn't look as jaggy as I expected. I sit about 6 feet away.
The Lamonster
Member
Things like everyone making fun of Link for being lazy and his habit of sleeping in, or Zelda getting in Groose's face to tell him what's up...there weren't any character traits like that in TP or any previous Zeldas. Like, could you tell me anything about the personality of pre-hero Link in the beginning of TP?
TWW had a lot of very interesting characters, but the principle characters were pretty generic.
Well for one, all of the characters in the bazaar are fantastic. There is so much life in their animations.
Hot Coldman
Banned
The 4th dungeon boss is the greatest Zelda boss of all time.
Forgot to mention how much I managed to dig the fat creatures in Faron Woods. Their scrambling fear of Fi was great, lol. I wish more of the game was infused with that kind of levity.
Totally. I really don't like the majority of Skyloft very much, but the inside of the bazaar felt altogether different. Dug the random merchant npcs in there a lot, especially the engineering dude and the fortune teller; great animations.
Totally. I really don't like the majority of Skyloft very much, but the inside of the bazaar felt altogether different. Dug the random merchant npcs in there a lot, especially the engineering dude and the fortune teller; great animations.
It's the first Zelda boss in a long, long time that got my blood pumping with excitement and the thrill of combat.
Agreed, I love the Item seller getting super excited when you get close, then when you turn away he sighs and looks depressed. The way the music changes to a slower, mumbling version when you go to peatrice and (side quest spoiler)
how she goes from sad to super happy whenever you are near
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yeah, but I feel a little bothered every time I see the shopkeeper. He's such a blatant caricature/stereotype.
boiled goose
good with gravy
I agree the game looks adequate, but not stellar.
Not a visual treat like windwaker style wise.
So far not in love with the game. Best Zelda ever? highly doubtful for me at the moment.
to those that say things like 'ppl just praise OOT because of nostalgia and the new 3D zeldas are way better', you are wrong. In terms of pacing, cohesiveness, and story OOT (and MM) are still unmatched by newer Zeldas. If nostalgia was it, I would not think SMG1 and SMG2 are better mario games in many ways than SM64 and SMW.
Not a visual treat like windwaker style wise.
So far not in love with the game. Best Zelda ever? highly doubtful for me at the moment.
to those that say things like 'ppl just praise OOT because of nostalgia and the new 3D zeldas are way better', you are wrong. In terms of pacing, cohesiveness, and story OOT (and MM) are still unmatched by newer Zeldas. If nostalgia was it, I would not think SMG1 and SMG2 are better mario games in many ways than SM64 and SMW.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
So far I do think I'd call it the best 3D Zelda ever, but that comes with a major caveat that I'll elaborate on when I write up my final thoughts.
Of asians?
Slurpy2k20
Member
Yes , the attachment is fucking annoying, just because the the extra size, weight, and the fact that it adds length in an uncomfortable spot. I debated buying a new Wii+ controller then said screw it, not worth it for 1 game. But I took off the condom.
Hot Coldman
Banned
It doesn't stop coming. Plenty of 'oh shit!' moments in that fight. Just amazing- and the dungeon itself was great too. Loved the troll moment when
you whip the switch and it reverses the rotation of the spinning platform, only now you jump on and it slams you into spikes :lol
I just finished the 7th dungeon (which was awesome, by the way), and as of right now, I'd rate it 3rd, after MM and OOT. It's taken Wind Waker's spot.
Wind Waker definitely does some stuff much better than Skyward Sword, but Wind Waker has some pretty large cons as well. I think SS is superior, but lets see if that changes in a year or two.
Of what?
JzeroT1437
Member
I forgot to say after finishing the 2nd temple
Sheikah does a major cockblock, Link shoulda shoved that sword skyward up her ass
Groose you say?
Is this a really crappy overlay of Zelda/Groose over Belle/Gaston from Beauty and the Beast?
So good indeed. Loved the final part of the dungeon as well.
Togglesworlh
Banned
I thought it looked familiar.
Any tips for making Motion Plus work better? Flying the bug and looking around feels so sluggish, and I suck so bad at fighting with my sword. It's actually quite amazing how tedious Nintendo managed to make using your sword. I can see how they want me to attack an enemy, but actually doing it is so fucking hard because of shitty Motion Plus.
JzeroT1437
Member
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
He's specifically a Chinese caricature.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
Uh...
how many times do I have to fight The Imprisoned?
Practice.
too many times
Hmmm I'm Chinese and I didn't even notice. Oh well, doesn't bother me.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
I'm at the
3rd
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yeah, its nothing big, it just kinda sticks at me when I shop from him *shrug*
ShockingAlberto
Member
If you have some rupees to spare, (name of minigame)
is a fantastic place to practice your sword swings. It basically taught me all I needed to make sure I'm always going the right speed.
The Bamboo Cutting game
Where do you find this one?
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
Okay...beat it. Died the first time,. but please tell me this is the last time I fight it.
General up to late game spoilers in both quote and reply:
Three. First time was a fun surprise, second time... okay... third time was getting really old. They could easily have merged the final two together. Not including if you do boss rush.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
Thank god. So I'm done with it. That's basically how I felt.
I'm playing on a Plasma HD set and the jaggies are definitely there but my mind glosses over that when I'm actually playing the game. However, the vertical lines that everyone keeps talking about are distracting, especially during cutscenes but again, it's a Wii limitation so I got over it as well.