Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
That's why I've been banging on that it's probably either Alatar or Pallando.
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That's why I've been banging on that it's probably either Alatar or Pallando.
ManaByte
Member
I’m thinking Alatar. He came first and then asked Pallando to join him.
Wildebeest
Member
With all that money on the table, their lawyers must be busy.
ManaByte
Member
There’s no need for that Christopher Tolkien is dead, which is why this show exists in the first place. Simon Tolkien always wanted to help out Jackson on his movies but Christopher forbade it. Now this show exists and is controlled by the Estate and Trust, meaning if they want to use stuff from the Silmarillion, Christopher isn’t around to block it.
Tomeru
Member
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
Waiting for the episode galadriel get this power
"You....have....no...power....here..."
Yes, debut album era Evanescence music video was always Galadriel's best power to me.
Cyberpunkd
Member
You know the answer - because it is much better to make one generic CGI city pan of Lindon and then scale way down instead of making them walk a physical set with hundreds of extras/
VN1X
Banned
Crazy that some here get all bent out of shape over a thumbnail yet Gary, along with Xray Girl, make some of the best editorials around.
It's not the fans who are saying all of these things btw, most of it is coming straight from the horse's mouth (what with regards to subversion of the original work and having to adhere to feminist/poltical agendas).
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Tams
Member
The Halfings (apparently proto-Hobbits in this mess) are apparently in the south-east, and the the South and East are where the Blue Wizards went, but that's the South and East of Middle-Earth, not the South and East of NW Middle-Earth.
Also, there's no mention of the Blue Wizards regarding the Hobbits (other than Gandalf telling them about them in the films). Plus, how many people are actually going to know and care about them?
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NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
To be fair, Feanor, Morgoth and the Silmarils are all mentioned in the text of LotR
ManaByte
Member
Two words: Christopher Tolkien.
https://tolkienlibrary.com/press/1180-on-the-possibility-of-a-silmarillion-movie.php
Longer explanation: Even though he's dead, Christopher Tolkien was the one who compiled The Silmarillion and he HATED Jackson's movies so much he would never sell the film rights for the book. Up until his death in 2017, Christopher Tolkien had the Estate engaged in an unending legal war against WB over Jackson's movies. The guy hated the films and wanted to make life has difficult as possible for those who owned the movies.
Christopher was estranged from his son Simon for decades because Simon thought differently from Christopher. Simon wanted to have the Estate help Jackson with the LOTR and Hobbit movies, but Christopher forbade any involvement. When Christopher died in 2017, Simon took over charge of the Estate and Tolkien Trust and he immediately ended the legal war with WB and the Estate/Trust began to work with WB to shop around a series based on the prequel material they COULD use without violating his father's wishes of not selling The Silmarillion film rights. They shopped the show around to places like HBO and Netflix (imagine if Netflix got it) and Amazon won the bidding war.
Since the show is produced by the Estate, the Trust, their book publisher, and New Line cinema; they're able to use Weta's movie designs (like the Fel Beasts and the Balrog) while still "touching" things from the Silmarillion. The last 20 pages of The Silmarillion just expands on what's in the Appendices, so they're able to pull from that.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
So uh…
Frodo you might’ve noticed that there are no elves of color in this land anymore. Well there’s a reason for that, but let’s just say we rounded them all up, put them on some boats and sent them to the “promised land”
Frodo you might’ve noticed that there are no elves of color in this land anymore. Well there’s a reason for that, but let’s just say we rounded them all up, put them on some boats and sent them to the “promised land”
Trazyn the Infinite
Member
Now if only he could have prevented this fucking insult of a show from being made. The Tolkein Estate needs stricter control over their shit.
Hardensoul
Member
Woah, this already posted? Did this season 1 already cost over $50 million per episode?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-expensive-11661482048
https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-expensive-11661482048
Yes. Old news.
Sleepwalker
Member
50 million per episode, only for me to put it on and proceed to fall asleep. lol
Hardensoul
Member
So all the budget seem to be in the special effects. Should've spent more for the writers!! SMH
Pyramid Song
Member
I'm simping so hard for Galadriel
M'lady
M'lady
Ulysses 31
Member
Elon must've been watching too many YTers.
Tieno
Member
Ha, I thought the talking point was that Galadriel is a Karen?
Ironbunny
Member
Ulysses 31
Member
That's what Grace Randolph called her, haven't seen many others go along with that. Mainly that Galadriel isn't very likeable so far.
Yeah, that bit struck me as odd too.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Giallo Corsa
Member
I'm simping so hard for Galadriel
M'lady
My name is Galadriel, Galadriel Gump.Didn't catch Galadriel's plan to swim all the way back from her boat to the mainland?
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
TaylorSwiftFan
Member
It’s a shame that you can only attack the character and not the points.
TaylorSwiftFan
Member
I’m trying to think of what main male character was brave from the show. The man on the raft?
TaylorSwiftFan
Member
Tolkien also said that they all arrived together in the 3rd age. Take your pick.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
Finrod, Arondir, Elrond, Gil-galad, Celebrimbor, Durin etc all seem alright so far? The dude on the raft … ugh.
NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
He seemed to waver back and forth. In Peoples of Middle-earth, Tolkien said this:
"Their task was to circumvent Sauron: to bring help to the few tribes of Men that had rebelled from Melkor-worship, to stir up rebellion... and after his first fall to search out his hiding and to cause dissension and disarray among the dark East... They must have had very great influence on the history of the Second Age and Third Age in weakening and disarraying the forces of the East... who both in the Second Age and Third Age otherwise have... outnumbered the West."
It definitely conflicts with what he said in Unfinished Tales, but it was the latest known version of their story. They either arrived together in in Third Age 1000 or Second Age 1600
ikbalCO
Member
Yep, i find her very pleasing to the eye.I'm simping so hard for Galadriel
M'lady
Love me some strong lady.
John_Ryder
Member
And start twerking with Galy.
Ammogeddon
Member
After finishing the latest episode of Hotd the difference in writing between the two shows really stands out.
Rings of Power is a looker but it certainly doesn’t have the brains. I accept they may not be going for quite the same audience but the benchmark has been set.
Rings of Power is a looker but it certainly doesn’t have the brains. I accept they may not be going for quite the same audience but the benchmark has been set.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
First 3 scenes...
Boys throw rocks at girls paper boat. Jerk.
Men want to go home. Cowards.
Men run from cave troll. Weak.
What show are you watching?
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Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
Um, but what about the other examples I provided? Aren't we discussing main characters or are we moving goal posts?
Tams
Member
While I admire Christopher's commitment to the lore and protecting it, he did fans a great disservice not working with Jackson and co. Despite that Jackson and co. did a fantastic job, but damn, it could have been eveen better.
Honestly, Christopher on the whole just seems to have been a bit of a dick. And while Simon is more open to letting others work on the lore and world, it's the same trait, commitment (deference even) to his father that's holding him back. And it's this which might well end up with RoP being a complete dumpster fire.
tl;dr: Simon's a fucking pussy.
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ManaByte
Member
With Simon in charge we're getting a series that is allowed to use stuff from the Silmarillion with the full backing of the Estate/Trust/Publisher while at the same time using the Weta designs due to New Line being a co-producer on it. It's something that never would've happened while Christopher was alive.
Tams
Member
But... other than Halbrand (raft guy), Arondir (black wood-elf), and Prince Durin IV (who is partly depicted as childlike in his upset with Elrond), that's pretty much true so far.
The other elves are deceptive, naïve, ignorant, and condescending. The men of the Men are all dirty bores just drinking and looking for a fight.
I'll give it to you that all the dwarves so far are shown as jolly drunks.
Tams
Member
Christopher is dead though.
Simon could have allowed full use of all the works. There's no excuse. And if what has been used so far would have pissed Christopher off mightily, then why not just go full hog?
That said, the issues with RoP go deeper than just adherence to the existing lore.
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sol_bad
Member
Boys have been shown to be arseholes in many movies in cinema history. Do you hate every single film that contains a scene like this?
RE the elves wanting to go home, that scene wasn't about them being cowards. Every single other elf had returned home based on the rules laid out by the king, they were wanting to follow orders and Galadriel's quest was fruitless up to that point. The scene was more about how obsessed Galadriel was and what an arsehole she was being, not caring about other lives at that point in time.
Watch the cave troll scene again, you are making up fiction in your head. The first elf that sees the troll shouts out that fact but there is no fear in his eyes. He is not weak, he is being smart, his only weapon is a bow and arrow and he is too close to let loose. He returns to his fellow soldiers to get better positioning.
Tams
Member
Mate, the elves in here expedition party were getting fucking trashed. Then she comes in, runs up a sword, and singlehandedly slays it in less time than the rest of them had been fighting it while receiving not a single blow.
I get it; you enjoy a strong woman. But this was straight up Mary Sue.
In HotD, Daemon at least takes several arrows and ends up in significant pain, and the other forces get to come in a fuck shit up too rather than just being tossed around like dolls thrown around by a toddler having a tantrum.
sol_bad
Member
No one ever called Legalos a Mary Sue, they just thought it was cool seeing him wreck shit. Shame a woman can't do the same thing.
I said my piece about the Daemon scene in the HotD thread. It didn't work for me.
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Looks that way.
Tams
Member
a) plausible
b) he takes some hits and has to actually try
c) Legolas generally isn't a massive jerk
d) those scenes don't show his allies being utterly useless unless it's a plotline
And yet you're fine with this dire scene?
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sol_bad
Member
There are so many scenes where Legolas takes no hits what so ever and there are elves all around him struggling and getting killed.........
The troll scene is a 2 minute quick action beat, if even that long. It's over before you blink and it's there to set up Galadriel as a fearless leader.
The battle in HotD is long, drawn out, poorly shot with cameras too close and makes no logical sense in context to the 2-3 year gap.