I find the stupid action entertaining when I've got the feverish flu and need something dumb that doesn't require a functioning brain.
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QSD
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That would usually be a 'so bad it's good' quotable line in a horror movie
This would be your expectation sir, not 'the people'
It would certainly help you to move through life with less disappointment!
They are stupid, so are action movies usually, thus people don't apply this bizarre level of scrutiny to them or it would not be possible to enjoy them.
The movies, as great as they were, were noticeably made by a horror director and had plenty of cheese and unbelievable action scenes (surfin' legolas, gimli being thrown into the middle of an orc rabble and surviving, gandalf beating denethor with his staff without anyone intervening, I could go on)
It's the expectations (which IMHO are unnecessarily elevated) that I'm pointing out here
This kind of continuity error is so commonplace in action movies it is scarcely worth pointing out, why is it bothersome here?
This is also something that is so common in many action/adventure movies that it hardly is worth pointing to. Why are you all expecting this to be some kind of completely accurate and consistent history documentary?
You do it all the time for other movies!
Cyberpunkd
Member
Or we can just stop trying to find positives in everything as is the common thing nowadays and just conclude the TV series is shit?
NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
At this time Arda (the world Middle-earth is in) IS flat. The world doesn't become round until towards the end of the Second Age, due to the actions of Pharazon and Numenor
That's an asinine comparison. This is not Dungeons & Dragons. Treat it with respect, and treat the consumer with respect. There is nothing strange about the level of scrutiny, it has reached these heights because of all the stupid shit on this show. This doesn't seem to compute with you.
I'm not sure if you were there, but people mocked Legolas way back then. If there's anything that got negative attention it was that. But your power examples here are just eyeroll inducing when compared to the myriad complaints people have with this show.
I expect a show made for reasonably intelligent people that won't make the viewer constantly feel smarter than the creators. I prefer content made by people smarter than me. That is not unnecessarily elevated. Maybe you are fine with trash, I'm not.
How is this relevant? I'm pointing out stupid shit, whether or not someone does the same stupid shit elsewhere is irrelevant. I'll dislike it there too. Tolkien was one of the most meticulous world builders in literary history. The least Amazon could do is pay respect to that by trying to be better than some dumb action movie with continuity errors. If you aim for mediocrity, that's what you'll get.
Expecting basic physics to correspond to the world we know is not asking for a documentary. I'm not an idiot, so when a show treats me like one, I don't like it.
No, I do not.
All I'm getting from you is that if shit is present elsewhere I shouldn't complain. This tells me it's not worth engaging with you further. We want different things in life.
QSD
Member
Sequels are usually worse than the originals, there are some noteable exceptions like T2 or Aliens, but on the whole it's pretty clear.
I think my expectations of this series were 'something like the movies' but I expected it not to be as coherent as there isn't as coherent a narrative to this part of Middle Earth history as in LOTR
QSD
Member
What I'm saying is if you dislike unbelievable stunts, physics and continuity errors you are going to exclude A LOT of movies that are generally considered classics. IMHO it's perfectly possible to forget about that shit and just let yourself be entertained for a while, which is what most people did to enjoy the PJ LOTR movies. But it seems many ITT were already resolved to hate this show and pick at literally anything that they can.
The story of middle earth isn't an action movie. This isn't The Avengers. If you're gonna compare it to anything, compare it to a historical epic and stop trying to shove the conversation into your extremely narrow viewpoint.
I don't care what the movie is, if in a scene a guy charges from the front, who in the previous scene was behind, I'm gonna be dragged out of it and wonder what the hell is going on. That shit is dumb and an insult to my intelligence no matter where it is. The ONLY time idiocy like that is okay is if it's some silily comedy thing and they break the 4th wall and comment on it.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
They announce a season 2 yet?
Well, there you go, right either way.
I wonder if they will show the curving of the world. Was it after the destruction of numenor then?
Hardensoul
Member
Yes, filming about to begin and contract is for 5 seasons!
Have they finished the studio lots? Last I heard there was an indefinite delay until the studios in England were done.
I wonder what the turnover will be here, with how far apart the seasons will be. Are they aiming for one per year, one every two years? I kinda miss the old days when a show started it's new seasons at the same time each year. Now it's all just a big who knows.
Ulysses 31
Member
Nerdrotic said it would 2 years before next season airs.
Figures. Anything else would surprise me greatly. Takes a while to do all this, and if the sets aren't even built yet, well.
TissueBox
Member
So posted this elsewhere, but: I'm actually really, really interested in the idea of seeing a repentant Sauron. Since Halbrand is totally Sauron and all. ;P Could it be that he genuinely wanted to heal Middle-Earth, as Adar put it, and the Rings of Power was his plan to do so? That he wished to atone following the defeat of Morgoth, only for him to end up back on the side of evil following who-knew-what? And that, retroactively, Galadriel was then the one responsible for bringing him back from his slump?
To paraphrase the guy:
'You didn't know what I did'
'I found this on a dead guy'
'Remember me?' - to Adar
The sheer irony of it all would be a pretty meaty slap alright.
Or is this character read completely off-base and contradictory to lore?
To paraphrase the guy:
'You didn't know what I did'
'I found this on a dead guy'
'Remember me?' - to Adar
The sheer irony of it all would be a pretty meaty slap alright.
Or is this character read completely off-base and contradictory to lore?
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
CW cringe.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
Ahh ok never realized thanks.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
Care to share your movie/game/book catalog with us? Pretty sure not everything in there is Faulkner or Hemingway.
TissueBox
Member
Just got to this scene.
The books didn't say that Galadriel and Sauron don't hook up though, amirite.
Never mind that she's married to Celeborn and they have a daughter, since we haven't minded it whatsoever up to this point...
"Sometimes to find the light, we must first !@#$ the darkness."
- Galadriel, probably
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
"Never stick your staff in crazy!" - Tom Bombadil
Ulysses 31
Member
She's so tough they just needed to tend one of her 2 arrow wounds.Single Mom five minutes ago:
That six inch wide broadhead arrow that went through her chest was just a flesh wound though! She's already walking around.
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Just got to this scene.
The books didn't say that Galadriel and Sauron don't hook up though, amirite.
Never mind that she's married to Celeborn and they have a daughter, since we haven't minded it whatsoever up to this point...
Well, does Tolkein EXPLICITLY say Celebirn ISN'T Sauron?
Mayve it is a Mr. and Mrs Smith thing, at night they are lovey dovey but during the day he goes off to rule Mordor and she leads the forces unknowingly against her hubby.
No shit, that arrowhead was half as wide as her face!Single Mom five minutes ago:
That six inch wide broadhead arrow that went through her chest was just a flesh wound though! She's already walking around.
I was actually surprised they didn't edit out Arondir snapping off the front of the arrow before pulling it out because they figured "who would notice"?
Insane Metal
Member
TBF, that's what happens in 99% of movies/tv shows etc... but yeah I know the show has a lot of problems, I agreeSingle Mom five minutes ago:
That six inch wide broadhead arrow that went through her chest was just a flesh wound though! She's already walking around.
QSD
Member
IMHO the PJ movies are fantasy action movies, they have a fair bit of cheese and fan service and they certainly aren't scrutinized as historical documents .
IMHO it's your viewpoint that is narrow, I don't mind having a either a lighter or a more serious take on this material. I don't mind if Galadriel is dark and angry or kind and motherly, the writers have a certain degree of creative license and they can use it to explore various themes.
If she starts out with a seething hatred of the orcs, and learns to see things differently throughout the show, that could be a cool story. If you are an elf in the LOTR world, and you KNOW for a fact that you are part of the special race of beings that has the favor of the valar and can come to live with them in Valinor where humans and dwarves are exempt, you would probably be supercilious too and perhaps think of other races as disposable. It certainly is not 'character assasination' to write such a redemption arc for her. If she started out perfect she'd be boring and unrelatable.
I don't know where your intelligence is dear sir, but it is certainly not to be found in this thread! There are so many scenes in the PJ movies that are a lot like this. "Look the Nazgul almost have Arwen! Oh now they are suddenly far away again!"
Trazyn the Infinite
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PhaseJump
Banned
Game of Thrones final season was better than this. The Shannara Chronicles was better than this and it had showrunners that knew what they were doing. Wheel of Time has better acting and character development. Disney's Willow trailer completely blows away anything Rings of Power has done so far.
QSD
Member
I wasn't the one claiming this series was an insult to my intelligence, oh infinite one
I'm arguing the show. You're just relentlessly hammering in weird gotcha moments irrelevant to what is actually discussed as if it means something.
Have I, at any point, suggested the PJ movies are perfect? Have I suggested that there are no inconsistencies?
No. I have not. I have said they are excellent, which is a very different thing.
Inconsistencies as to how close a nazgul is is a consequence of them filming horseriders on horses and then needing to edit it to all be seemless and exciting.
Inconsistencies like people on horses being suddenly teleportedin front of the people they were previously behind is a huge script issue.
I'm not gonna sink to your level and insult your intelligence. I am not however, gonna waste more time on someone who's so devoid of valid points that he/she needs to go down the ad hominem route.
Grow up, and learn to build an argument. You're not convincing anyone of anything outside of how terrible all of your examples are.
FunkMiller
Member
I’ll predict Drinker’s next video right here:
How do you get a hundred horses on three boats?
Don’t Know.
How do they know which village to go right to?
Don‘t know.
How did the old guy know to use the sword to activate Mt Doom?
Don’t know.
How does Bronwyn know how to fight so well?
Don’t know.
Why didn’t Galadriel look at the sword hilt?
Don’t know.
Why was Halbrand on that raft in the first place?
Don’t know.
Why is the entire population of the Southlands just this one village?
Don’t know.
How do you get a hundred horses on three boats?
Don’t Know.
How do they know which village to go right to?
Don‘t know.
How did the old guy know to use the sword to activate Mt Doom?
Don’t know.
How does Bronwyn know how to fight so well?
Don’t know.
Why didn’t Galadriel look at the sword hilt?
Don’t know.
Why was Halbrand on that raft in the first place?
Don’t know.
Why is the entire population of the Southlands just this one village?
Don’t know.
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NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
I really hope they do. It's a understandably huge moment where the very nature of the world is changed.
QSD
Member
I agree the movies are excellent, I'm saying this series is being scrutinized way more closely than those movies ever were.
Perhaps he knew a shortcut? Perhaps he really is Sauron and he thus has some kind of power which allows him to do that? This could be explained later, or not at all, it isn't that consequential.
If they do, and I agree it would be AWESOME, they gotta A. show mountains receding down out of sight, B. some folks suddenly seeing the sun curve away as they go into dawn/twilight, and C. the moon somehow reflect that the earth is now round instead of a disc or whatever (ok, that might be a conceptual leap too far) but at least show stars racing around.
Just really shove it to the flat-earthers. I hate it when the reptilians encourage that theory because it undermines the importance of a good thetan count
See, you might be right if this was a David Lynch joint where strange and inexplicable things were happening all around or were properly forecast. As it is, in the context of this show, it feels like lazy and sloppy editing, which we have AMPLE other examples of. This show is not earning forgiveness for a scene where two characters bolt off into the wilderness yet somehow get headed off by a third character starting from the same place.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
PhaseJump
Banned
Rightfully scrutinized. It's a 50-hour series pitch for a hardcore fan base, and the results so far offer irredeemable melodramatic trash that is only expected of, and typically seen adapted to contemporary YA power fantasy that most franchise fans wouldn't dare waste their time with.
It's big money chasing the retarded casuals who hooked onto Game of Thrones and started naming their babies Khaleesi and shit like that, being handled by elvish speaking nerd passion. Nobody ever long-term gives a shit about the fickle YA fan-fiction quality that "passionate" fanboys typically forge in the dumpster fires between their ears. Here under what is arguably the most important franchise to the genre, that stupidity and rookie hubris is slapped together with modern day "TV writing" sensibilities.
I enjoy this show every week just because it's pure fucking disaster. Unlike anything I've ever seen happen in television.
TaylorSwiftFan
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TaylorSwiftFan
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I only own 4 movies - the LotR extended edition movies and Edge of Tomorrow. If I owned 2016 Ghostbusters, would it make this show magically better?
TaylorSwiftFan
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Insane Metal
Member
Halbrand told them to go to the watch tower which is right there. And Adar told Waldreg he had a mission for him, while delivering him the sword.
PhaseJump
Banned
Edgelord79
Gold Member
TaylorSwiftFan
Member
So there is only 1 watchtower in the Southlands? Why would he think that they need to go to that one village? Clearly Halbrand wasn’t from that village or from that region.
It’s too hard to edit and copy/paste on mobile. And the multi-quote doesn’t work. Not sure what I’m meant to do.My brother in Christ, you just triple posted without using the edit button.
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I think once you realize who Halbrand is, you understand he knows more. It's also why he was able to magically jump to the other side of the forest and tackle Adar.
TaylorSwiftFan
Member
So Sauron teleported but what about his horse?
I would also add that for a show where the showrunners refused Peter Jackson’s help, they sure copy him a lot.
pramod
Banned
How did Theo know where the sword was hidden?
Dont know.
Why would Arondir hide the thing which must not be found right under the house they are hiding in?
Dont know.
And why would Arondir just give the "sword" afterwards to Theo, who just told him, gee, im somehow drawn to this incredibly evil artifact?
Dont know.
Btw, as for all the crazy plot armor Bronwyn seems to have....i have my own crazy theory why that is.
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Cyberpunkd
Member
Man, no matter what they do with Halbrand the logic would be stupid AF.
IMO perfectly feasible that he was always a nobody but due to fan reaction the show runners will make him Sauron starting in season 2.
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