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[Windom Earle]

This year's E3 has been pretty extreme in terms of SJW pandering.

I don't mind Ellie being a lesbian, but why not just tell it within the game instead of shoving it into our face at E3 in obnoxious fashion? It makes total sense for her to be disgusted by men.

That being said, her design is meh now. Seriously thinking about not buying the game, I don't want to support obvious pandering. Horizon was already pretty bad in that regard.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

It´s funny how some people preach about the values and importance of a creators vision, that it should be maintained and not subjected to any form of censorship, that they should be free to create whatever they want without scrutiny, but when a creator has a vision about a lesbian couple, diversity, feminist themes or what not that don´t gel with these very same people they often seem to stand up and scream "AGENDA!" as loud as they can. How is that?

This may seem true on the surface but when you dig deeper you begin to understand that it is in fact only surface deep. These creator's "visions" with games have been manipulated by cultural rifts and changes during the last decade. These creators have been witch hunted, hounded to no end by feminists, blasted by the LGBTQ community, liberals over-analyse anything they do and scrutinize them severely and openly until their demands are met.

Now I am not saying they are not freely expressing their current views into a narrative however what I am saying is that they've basically taken to their modern narrative as a means of what by all accounts appears to be Stockholm syndrome. Instead of continuing to do what they were originally going to or thinking clearly and for themselves they're unintentionally pandering by a means of passive coercion. They've essentially been brainwashed due to the unending assault of their instinctual convictions and ideas which have naturally presented themselves in their former narratives. It's not that they necessarily have an agenda but it's quite clear that their development and expressive freedom has been compromised by leftist bombardment.

 

[Ar¢tos]

Str8 people are extremely selfish.
it's the conclusion I take from this.
As a gay man, I've been waiting for a story driven AAA game where I'm not forced to romance someone of the opposite sex. Having a girl kissing a girl is even less interesting for me, but I see it as a huge step in the right direction.
Do Str8 people ever bother to think for a second "what gay people think about this?" whenever a man kisses a woman on TV or a game?
Their reaction in general to this is as stupid and selfish as when they complain that we have a gay pride and they don't have a Str8 pride. Be glad you don't have to celebrate your right to exist!

 

[nowhat]

I don't mind Ellie being a lesbian, but why not just tell it within the game instead of shoving it into our face at E3 in obnoxious fashion?

...like what happened in Left Behind (the DLC for the original game)? TLoU part 2 is a sequel you know, the characters have already been established up to a point.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Str8 people are extremely selfish.
it's the conclusion I take from this.
As a gay man, I've been waiting for a story driven AAA game where I'm not forced to romance someone of the opposite sex. Having a girl kissing a girl is even less interesting for me, but I see it as a huge step in the right direction.
Do Str8 people ever bother to think for a second "what gay people think about this?" whenever a man kisses a woman on TV or a game?
Their reaction in general to this is as stupid and selfish as when they complain that we have a gay pride and they don't have a Str8 pride. Be glad you don't have to celebrate your right to exist!

How does two girls making out better serve a narrative? How does even knowing the sexual orientation of a protagonist better serve a narrative? We're not selfish, it's just not important and it never has been, it's unnecessarily shoved in peoples faces to meet a representation quota. Should I care if Master Chief is gay or straight? No, should I care about Ryo Hazuki's sexual orientation? Absolutely not.

None of this stuff betters a game, none of this stuff elevates a narrative, it's irrelevant.

 

[Danjin44]

...like what happened in Left Behind (the DLC for the original game)? TLoU part 2 is a sequel you know, the characters have already been established up to a point.

Seriously!!! we already know this in left behind and people still surprised by this. Even more shocking that people surprised we are playing as Ellie, I'm pretty sure it was very clear after the first game's ending we gonna play as Ellie for next game.

How does two girls making out better serve a narrative? How does even knowing the sexual orientation of a protagonist better serve a narrative? We're not selfish, it's just not important and it never has been, it's unnecessarily shoved in peoples faces to meet a representation quota. Should I care if Master Chief is gay or straight? No, should I care about Ryo Hazuki's sexual orientation? Absolutely not.

None of this stuff betters a game, none of this stuff elevates a narrative, it's irrelevant.

Here question, why do you even considerer it as "shoving in people faces"? Is it so wrong to have romance in games!!? Hows that different than Drake kissing Elena in Uncharted 4? Again at some point people need accept the fact same sex couple is just like any other couple.

 

[Helios]

As a gay man, I've been waiting for a story driven AAA game where I'm not forced to romance someone of the opposite sex.

Did you happen to miss the ones released until now that do exactly that? Or do they go against your point? I haven't seen anyone complain about Zevran's sexuality from DA:O and that was released almost ten years ago.

 

[{insert code here}]

Str8 people are extremely selfish.
it's the conclusion I take from this.
As a gay man, I've been waiting for a story driven AAA game where I'm not forced to romance someone of the opposite sex. Having a girl kissing a girl is even less interesting for me, but I see it as a huge step in the right direction.
Do Str8 people ever bother to think for a second "what gay people think about this?" whenever a man kisses a woman on TV or a game?
Their reaction in general to this is as stupid and selfish as when they complain that we have a gay pride and they don't have a Str8 pride. Be glad you don't have to celebrate your right to exist!

Mass Effect 3? They added a gay character to the game(series) specifically for this.

And what do you mean by "right direction"? You implying some kind of fault with heterosexuality?

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Here question, why do you even considerer it as "shoving in people faces"? Is it so wrong to have romance in games!!? Hows that different than Drake kissing Elena in Uncharted 4? Again at some point people need accept the fact same sex couple is just like any other couple.

It's simple, is at any point Drake's sexuality and their relationship made into a showpiece as part of highlighting a product or to sell the game?

 

[Ar¢tos]

How does two girls making out better serve a narrative? How does even knowing the sexual orientation of a protagonist better serve a narrative? We're not selfish, it's just not important and it never has been, it's unnecessarily shoved in peoples faces to meet a representation quota. Should I care if Master Chief is gay or straight? No, should I care about Ryo Hazuki's sexual orientation? Absolutely not.

None of this stuff betters a game, none of this stuff elevates a narrative, it's irrelevant.

How many irrelevant things happen every day in anyone's life?
Why must the portrayal of a character be limited to only relevant things when games tries to imitate life for better immersion and realism? Ellie just happens to be gay and simply does what normal gay people do in their life. That includes romance. Don't worry, if you don't like it, you can always NOT BUY IT. Amazing thing freedom of choice is.

It's simple, is at any point Drake's sexuality and their relationship made into a showpiece as part of highlighting a product or to sell the game?

What you see as an attempt to sell a game, gay people see as normal human interaction, and it only shows how close minded you are.
I don't complain that people are shoving heterosexuality in my face, or that they using sexuality to sell a product whenever a straight kiss shows on a game.
This is state the world reached... any slight thing out of the "normal" and everybody panics with accusations of agendas and brainwashing.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

How many irrelevant things happen every day in anyone's life?
Why must the portrayal of a character be limited to only relevant things when games tries to imitate life for better immersion and realism? Ellie just happens to be gay and simply does what normal gay people do in their life. That includes romance. Don't worry, if you don't like it, you can always NOT BUY IT. Amazing thing freedom of choice is.

That's such a feeble solution to criticism... 'well then don't buy it'...

That doesn't just circumvent a situation and remove its forced nature or unnatural presentation as a means of displaying a game. We get it, Ellie is gay, and? This isn't an empowerment move, it's foolish pandering trying to conform to liberal societal standards formed under the Obama administration. No one rational has a problem with homosexual characters, but making it a tent pole for the narrative and questionably shoving it in your face in a completely forced manner is just ridiculous. I'd be saying the same thing if that was Ellie and a guy making out, it's just cringey and puzzling that they would toss that in front and center where it was practically a three way makeout session with the viewer.

 

[Ar¢tos]

That's such a feeble solution to criticism... 'well then don't buy it'...

That doesn't just circumvent a situation and remove its forced nature or unnatural presentation as a means of displaying a game. We get it, Ellie is gay, and? This isn't an empowerment move, it's foolish pandering trying to conform to liberal societal standards formed under the Obama administration. No one rational has a problem with homosexual characters, but making it a tent pole for the narrative and questionably shoving it in your face in a completely forced manner is just ridiculous. I'd be saying the same thing if that was Ellie and a guy making out, it's just cringey and puzzling that they would toss that in front and center where it was practically a three way makeout session with the viewer.

I'm sure people said the same when women started making noise because they wanted the right to vote....

 

[fantomena]

2 girls kissing in an E3 trailer and GAF loses it's mind.

This year's E3 has been pretty extreme in terms of SJW pandering.

I don't mind Ellie being a lesbian, but why not just tell it within the game instead of shoving it into our face at E3 in obnoxious fashion? It makes total sense for her to be disgusted by men.

That being said, her design is meh now. Seriously thinking about not buying the game, I don't want to support obvious pandering. Horizon was already pretty bad in that regard.

Wait, what? Horizon was pandering because of Aloy?

 

[Gahadmor12]

No one rational has a problem with homosexual characters, but making it a tent pole for the narrative and questionably shoving it in your face in a completely forced manner is just ridiculous.

"I'm not homophobic but please don't make me watch a 2 seconds clip of two women in love kissing, I don't care if it's done in a very smart way from a cinematic and narrative point of view to contrast with the violence of the outside world in the game, DON'T SHOVE IT IN MY FACE"

You're not fooling anyone.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

I'm sure people said the same when women started making noise because they wanted the right to vote....

Women were largely AGAINST the suffrage movement by the way as if this has anything to do with the present conversation.

 

[Danjin44]

That's such a feeble solution to criticism... 'well then don't buy it'...

That doesn't just circumvent a situation and remove its forced nature or unnatural presentation as a means of displaying a game. We get it, Ellie is gay, and? This isn't an empowerment move, it's foolish

Thats how you see it. we already know Ellie was gay from left behind, the way I personally saw was Ellie found someone she truly cares about after what happened in first game and Left Behind.

 

[Vicetrailia]

When aren't you all mad at diversity is the question.

 

[TGO]

Seriously!!! we already know this in left behind and people still surprised by this. Even more shocking that people surprised we are playing as Ellie, I'm pretty sure it was very clear after the first game's ending we gonna play as Ellie for next game.


Here question, why do you even considerer it as "shoving in people faces"? Is it so wrong to have romance in games!!? Hows that different than Drake kissing Elena in Uncharted 4? Again at some point people need accept the fact same sex couple is just like any other couple.

The kiss is not a problem and I believe no one is calling for it to be removed from the game, but ND went to E3 and that's what they wanted to show.
Why?
I'm from a generation where two girls kissing was a saw as "cool", it's not my thing but I have no problem with it, the Left Behind DLC wasn't a problem either my general response was "Okay"
But people are asking is that really what they wanted to show to represent the game and why, it may hold great importance to the game who knows
But they went to great effort for that scene, even having people be in a different room to the rest of the conference to make the audience feel like they was there, in the room watching.
So there is an importance to it, it was set up that way for a reason, but why?

 

[Arkage]

Overall a decent video. I don't have as much of a problem as he does with some of the stuff, like the twitter feed of the devs where they use the couple name for the two female leads. The art for Lost Legacy women having crushes on each other was also fairly meh, whatever, to me. But Druckmann is clearly devoting a significant portion of his time to inclusion now, which might end up with some awkwardly blatant pandering, we'll have to wait and see. The kiss in the trailer was a bit awkward just because you're making everyone experience lengthy sexual tension on a more "realistic" level than seen in any game before (at least for me), and that awkwardness has kind of fed into the backlash against it. I'd prefer the sexual realism to stay out of my post-apocalyptic murder simulator. Keeping the sex stuff pulpy/quick/to the side like Uncharted is the expectation, and I think, for the best. Making it such a substantial part of the preview was a mistake, and mostly feels like a forced attempt to "adultify" the game.

 

[Windom Earle]

...like what happened in Left Behind (the DLC for the original game)? TLoU part 2 is a sequel you know, the characters have already been established up to a point.

Yeah, it was already established, so why was it so important to show a weird smell and kiss scene other than an obvious agenda?

Wait, what? Horizon was pandering because of Aloy?

Nah, because the message of the game was "women are good" - "white males are evil". Just look at the leaders and the antagonists.

 

[Darkking2001]

I bet you could craft a couple of theories if you think abit deeper, no?
Why not just wait and play the game and see?
It was honestly annoying when restera kept trying to assert that the creator of kingdom come "had an agenda" .

 

[Danjin44]

Yeah, it was already established, so why was it so important to show a weird smell and kiss scene other than an obvious agenda?

And we saw in Uncharted 4 trailer Drake kissing Elena. Whats big deal?

 

[fantomena]

Nah, because the message of the game was "women are good" - "white males are evil". Just look at the leaders and the antagonists.

lol and yet it sold a shitload of copies. People in this thread who are so afraid of the "sjw pandering" is in minority.

 

[TGO]

I bet you could craft a couple of theories if you think abit deeper, no?
Why not just wait and play the game and see?
It was honestly annoying when restera kept trying to assert that the creator of kingdom come "had an agenda" .

That's is exactly what people are gonna do
That's what I'm gonna do
And if there is an agenda

I just hope they deliver another opening scene like TLOU did.

 

[fantomena]

That's is exactly what people are gonna do
That's what I'm gonna do
And if there is an agenda

I just hope they deliver another opening scene like TLOU did.

People outside gaming forums don't care about stuff like sjw pandering. If a game reviews well or looks cool/good, they buy it.

That's why Horizon: Zero Dawn for example sold incredible well (7,6 mill was the last number I read).

Btw, how do you know if therer's an agenda?

 

[TGO]

People outside gaming forums don't care about stuff like sjw pandering. If a game reviews well or looks cool/good, they buy it.

That's why Horizon: Zero Dawn for example sold incredible well (7,6 mill was the last number I read).

Btw, how do you know if therer's an agenda?

Yeah that would be exactly their response, also why wouldn't Horizon sell well it a fantastic game, there is no SJW pandering in that game. There was people making up their own theories about Aloy sure. But that was just wishful thinking.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

People outside gaming forums don't care about stuff like sjw pandering. If a game reviews well or looks cool/good, they buy it.

That's why Horizon: Zero Dawn for example sold incredible well (7,6 mill was the last number I read).

Btw, how do you know if therer's an agenda?

Oh, boy, you are so out of touch. How did Solo, Ghostbusters and Oceans 7 do at the box office? Yeah ... people are sick of the agenda. Lord of the Flies next. At this point, only those who are pushing the agenda seem to be unaware of it.

 

[fantomena]

Yeah that would be exactly their response, also why wouldn't Horizon sell well it a fantastic game, there is no SJW pandering in that game. There was people making up their own theories about Aloy sure. But that was just wishful thinking.

Exact response for what? That millions bought TLOU 2? Why would millions buy TLOU 2? Because it would be a good game.

And still, how would you know there an agenda in TLOU 2?

Oh, boy, you are so out of touch. How did Solo, Ghostbusters and Oceans 7 do at the box office? Yeah ... people are sick of the agenda. Lord of the Flies next. At this point, only those who are pushing the agenda seem to be unaware of it.

How was Solo sjw pandering? I haven't seen the movie. The others you mentiones were simply not good movies according to people.

And no, people outside forums don't care about sjw pandering.

 

[Darkking2001]

Mate....just stop trying to see shit that isn't there....most of those movies flopped for different reasons

Solo came out right after the worst star wars movie ever...
Ghost Busters from the trailer alone wasn't funny
And I don't even know what an Ocean 7 is....soooo ya

 

[fantomena]

Mate....just stop trying to see shit that isn't there....most of those movies flopped for different reasons

Solo came out right after the worst star wars movie ever...
Ghost Busters from the trailer alone wasn't funny
And I don't even know what an Ocean 7 is....soooo ya

I think a lot of people didn't know there was an Ocean 7 lol. Almost zero marketing for it.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

I think a lot of people didn't know there was an Ocean 7 lol. Almost zero marketing for it.

Well, the actresses blamed 'male' reviewers for its failure. Who would have guessed ... It's out of hand, people don't like it and we don't want it to infect the gaming industry.

 

[Darkking2001]

What stupid people saying stupid things? Doesn't it already happen?

 

[Scopa]

I want a game where you play as an american (or British) agent killing and torturing in order to over throw a democratically elected govt in order to install a compliant sooge so your country's oil companies can extract the nation's wealth. There is a message gsme for you.

Won't happen. They don't like making historically accurate games nowadays.

 

[fantomena]

Well, the actresses blamed 'male' reviewers for its failure. Who would have guessed ... It's out of hand, people don't like it and we don't want it to infect the gaming industry.

You do realize it's the developers who makes games right? If a developer has a vision for a game that you would classify as "sjw pandering" then what are you gonna do?

Social justice issues are already in a ton of games.

 

[EDMIX]

Str8 people are extremely selfish.
it's the conclusion I take from this.
As a gay man, I've been waiting for a story driven AAA game where I'm not forced to romance someone of the opposite sex. Having a girl kissing a girl is even less interesting for me, but I see it as a huge step in the right direction.
Do Str8 people ever bother to think for a second "what gay people think about this?" whenever a man kisses a woman on TV or a game?
Their reaction in general to this is as stupid and selfish as when they complain that we have a gay pride and they don't have a Str8 pride. Be glad you don't have to celebrate your right to exist!

Exactly. Much respect.

I seen the video and its pretty lame, the person is complaining as if its some "agenda" yet if some "sjw" were to come out and say the SAME EXACT THING about Nathan Drake ie "oh boy, why do they have to shove their maleness on us and he keeps making out with girls, clearly an agenda" it would be an outrage and rightly so.

The issue is simple, let developers make the games they want.

No SJW's not every damn game with a white straight male is a "agenda, narrative, conspiracy"

NO anti-SJW who think they are different but are clearly the same damn thing, not every damn game with a gay person is a "agenda, narrative, conspiracy"

My issue I had with SJW is its developer choice, its their art, its their game etc. Want a game with no white straight male, nothing is stopping them from doing it themselves, but stop attacking other developers for not doing something you can do yourself

but guess what folks? SAME APPLES TO THIS CRAP, Want a game with no gay people, nothing is stopping them from doing it themselves, but stop attacking other developers for not doing something you can do yourself.

Respect the developer folks. I love what I saw from The Last Of Us II and its what the industry needs. Not everything needs to be about a straight dude making out, both can exist just fine, consider when you guys go outside, this is how the world is. Girls with girls, boys with boys, boys with girls etc That is life.

 

[Nemesis Prime]

How does two girls making out better serve a narrative? How does even knowing the sexual orientation of a protagonist better serve a narrative? We're not selfish, it's just not important and it never has been, it's unnecessarily shoved in peoples faces to meet a representation quota. Should I care if Master Chief is gay or straight? No, should I care about Ryo Hazuki's sexual orientation? Absolutely not.

None of this stuff betters a game, none of this stuff elevates a narrative, it's irrelevant.

It's not just that. I can understand the scene totally within context of the game and advancing its story. It's the fact that they so shamelessly decided to make it the focal point of a Last of Us 2 E3 reveal, how exactly is such a kiss scene so relevant to have in a games first reveal.

It just comes off as some sort of "social experiment", ahaha lets blast this in their face and see how everyone reacts!

Even more ironic considering how much they've talked about overly sexualizing female characters in gaming is an issue, but hey its alright if its girl on girl!

 

[GribbleGrunger]

You do realize it's the developers who makes games right? If a developer has a vision for a game that you would classify as "sjw pandering" then what are you gonna do?

Social justice issues are already in a ton of games.

And it's going to get worse if people don't speak out against it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with everyone being represented as long as it's done legitimately and not for any 'secret agenda' (Neil's words not mine). If you want to see how it's done properly, I recommend you watch I, Tonya or The Danish Girl. Both of these films are fantastic because these rolls are legitimate and not intentionally catering to an agenda.

 

[InterMusketeer]

stop attacking other developers for not doing something you can do yourself.

Respect the developer folks.

Throughout the entire thread, I think there's been one post made attacking Druckmann. That member was warned by moderation, and everyone else ignored them.

No one's attacking devs, no one's saying they can't make this game, none of the things you're talking about have happened in this thread. It's like you're reading entirely different posts or something.

All we're doing is saying we don't like some of these choices, and we don't like them being made because of a checklist Druckmann keeps on his desk while he's browsing for woke tweets.

 

[fantomena]

All we're doing is saying we don't like some of these choices, and we don't like them being made because of a checklist Druckmann keeps on his desk while he's browsing for woke tweets.

Then too bad for you guys.

 

[Windom Earle]

lol and yet it sold a shitload of copies. People in this thread who are so afraid of the "sjw pandering" is in minority.

Not sure why you're bringing up sales or majority/minority?

 

[Scopa]

Then too bad for you guys.

I might trot out this line the next time someone complains about scantily clad female characters in video games.

 

[fantomena]

Not sure why you're bringing up sales or majority/minority?

Because some users in this thread make it seem like "sjw pandering" is something most people are tired of, hereby saying games like Horizon: Zero Dawn was pandering to SJWs because of Aloy, yet it sold millions of copies. Which means that most people don't care about "sjw pandering". If a game is good, looks good/looks cool, that's what matters to the majority of people, not if some people on a forum criticizes two girls kissing in a trailer.

Most people probably don't even know who directed the TLOU, so they don't even know who Druckmann is.

I might trot out this line the next time someone complains about scantily clad female characters in video games.

Ok.

 

[Windom Earle]

Because some users in this thread make it seem like "sjw pandering" is something most people are tired of, hereby saying games like Horizon: Zero Dawn was pandering to SJWs because of Aloy, yet it sold millions of copies. Which means that most people don't care about "sjw pandering".

I agree that a lot of casuals probably don't notice (even though it is hard to overlook in BFV or Wolfenstein 2). But Horizon is a bad example, it wasn't really obvious before launch that the game had a lot of subtle SJW messaging.

Anyway, this whole topic is tiring, but it's good to see that GAF is allowing different opinions. I think SJW/PC culture will level out over time and things will be back to normal in the long run. There are still a lot of games that don't care about it and sales certainly don't suffer.

 

[fantomena]

I agree that a lot of casuals probably don't notice (even though it is hard to overlook in BFV or Wolfenstein 2). But Horizon is a bad example, it wasn't really obvious before launch that the game had a lot of subtle SJW messaging.

Anyway, this whole topic is tiring, but it's good to see that GAF is allowing different opinions. I think SJW/PC culture will level out over time and things will be back to normal in the long run. There are still a lot of games that don't care about it and sales certainly don't suffer.

Most games contains themes of social justice issues, it's all about how subtle they are.

Life is Strange is really heavy on social issues, yet it's the one game that got Dontnod their breakthrough and it has "very positive" and "Overwhelmengly positive" reviews on Steam.

 

[Darkking2001]

Weren't their like alot of 80s movies with red scare type of messaging?
I think people need to understand that media is shaped by the age its made in.

 

[Windom Earle]

Most games contains themes of social justice issues, it's all about how subtle they are.

Life is Strange is really heavy on social issues, yet it's the one game that got Dontnod their breakthrough and it has "very positive" and "Overwhelmengly positive" reviews on Steam.

I'll never understand the love for LIS. Bunch of girly college drama, really not my thing. Played till chapter 3 and then gave up I think.

I guess my point is that Social Justice injection alone doesn't make for a good game but it can certainly pull it down.

 

[Darkking2001]

That's the same for pretty much any political messaging in media tho
It comes down to execution

 

[fantomena]

I'll never understand the love for LIS. Bunch of girly college drama, really not my thing. Played till chapter 3 and then gave up I think.

I guess my point is that Social Justice injection alone doesn't make for a good game but it can certainly pull it down.

Imo, a games story and characters is the least game developers should worry about pulling their game down. Gameplay, animations, movement, camera angles, optimization etc. are way more important to worry about. A game that has great gameplay, a great world, but bad execution of social justice themes would still make it a great game.

 

[NeV3rKilL]

Seems like this is a kind of Ocean's 8 or Ghostbusters: Answer the Call in gaming. I demand my Kratos female! NAW! lol

They screwed even Lara Croft with the reboot. From a woman to a childish teenager.

I have 0 problems with TLOU:2 being gay or having kisses, but man... Imagine Uncharted 4 focusing on the spaghetti scene (one of the best scenes in the story of the videogames) on trailers. That would be ridiculous but if you mix it with current social topics, then seems to be good. :-/

I just hope TLOU:2 to be a better game than TLOU:1 cose I didn't like it in the same way as the rest of the world seems to love the game.

 

[HaveButOneLife]

But that's a public display of affection in front of an often large audience.

I don't see how that is any more appropriate than two people kissing at an event where people have clearly been drinking. It's not like they went overboard out was just an honest simple kiss.

I get it if they were groping one another in public then yeah that's inappropriate.

The difference is the fact that that kind of PDA in a public venue is appropriate for the event and people came to specifically see that kiss that seals the deal. You'd have more of a counter-argument if you listed literally any other example.

Drunk people kissing at, say, a party isn't a big deal either. There's a difference between kissing at an event where it's expected and witnessing a kiss at an event for the purpose of political and/or social gain.

 

[SutekhTheDestroyer]

Str8 people are extremely selfish.
it's the conclusion I take from this.
As a gay man, I've been waiting for a story driven AAA game where I'm not forced to romance someone of the opposite sex. Having a girl kissing a girl is even less interesting for me, but I see it as a huge step in the right direction.
Do Str8 people ever bother to think for a second "what gay people think about this?" whenever a man kisses a woman on TV or a game?
Their reaction in general to this is as stupid and selfish as when they complain that we have a gay pride and they don't have a Str8 pride. Be glad you don't have to celebrate your right to exist!

When are you "forced" to romance someone in a game? It's usually optional.

And judging by this post, it seems like a total troll.