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The new iPad |OT|

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vaelic

Banned
TxdoHawk said:
Those of you comparing how warm your iPads are getting, please keep in mind that the presence/use of things like LTE can have a huge, HUGE impact on that sort of thing. I'm not familiar with what kind of antenna/chipset the iPad is using, but most 4G phone owners will tell you that 4G use on their phone = a warm spot due to how new and inefficient LTE technology is.
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yes and it is UNACCEPTABLE
 
SuperPac

SuperPac

Member
Aruarian Reflection said:
Many Apple store customers can't tell the difference between iPad 2 and 3

http://www.cultofmac.com/154831/man...ell-the-new-ipad-apart-from-the-ipad-2-video/

Aligns with my experience in Apple stores as well
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Reminds me of http://www.pcworld.com/article/1544...ive_hdtv_owners_dont_know_the_difference.html and the many anecdotal stories of people having expensive HDTVs but running SD content on them without knowing they weren't actually getting "HD"

Screen resolution isn't something I expect people off the street to be able to tell the difference on. The iPad 2's screen was already pretty dang good to begin with.
 
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ido

Member
I must say, Maroo is going above and beyond with their customer service by sending us new and fixed cases and not even bothering us with the hassle of sending the old one back.

Great company, and I really do love the case(moko)
 
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Betta Lines

Member
Aruarian Reflection said:
Many Apple store customers can't tell the difference between iPad 2 and 3

http://www.cultofmac.com/154831/man...ell-the-new-ipad-apart-from-the-ipad-2-video/

Aligns with my experience in Apple stores as well
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Well the home screen is not a very good way of showing off the new res. If they had a website loaded on both with loads of text, like BBC News or something... it would be far more obvious. BBC News totally zoomed out, in portrait mode is barely readable on iPad 2. It's perfectly sharp on iPad 3.
 
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Baconsammy

Banned
Stopped by my local Apple store on the way to work to look at cases and for the hell of it handled an iPad 2 and a new one. World of difference in heat. Despite the whining of fans, the press aren't manufacturing this story. It's a fact. The problem is that the casual observer is only going to note the heat and not fully comprehend why the new iPads are so hot and how easily they can minimize it when they own one (turn down the brightness, don't use it while plugged in, turn off Bluetooth and auto-brightness, and don't have 50 apps running concurrently).
 
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TKR92

Member
ido said:
I must say, Maroo is going above and beyond with their customer service by sending us new and fixed cases and not even bothering us with the hassle of sending the old one back.

Great company, and I really do love the case(moko)
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me too. Really a great case.
 
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Dreams-Visions

Member
Aruarian Reflection said:
Many Apple store customers can't tell the difference between iPad 2 and 3

http://www.cultofmac.com/154831/man...ell-the-new-ipad-apart-from-the-ipad-2-video/

Aligns with my experience in Apple stores as well
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not surprising. good eyesight is required to see and appreciate the difference.

I was thinking about buying my mother an iPad 3, but upon consideration...not sure if her eyesight will allow her to appreciate the difference. I still have my iPad 1, so if she can't really see the difference between the 1 and the 3 screen, I'll buy her a new iPad 2 and call it a day.
 
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icespide

Banned
so I returned my iPad to the store today, got my money back. My replacement unit had dust under the screen and I just don't feel like going crazy replacing iPads until there's one with no defects.

I realize these defects are subtle and non-crazy people wouldn't even notice but once I see the first one I can't help but get into that frustrated OCD mode and I won't even enjoy the thing.

I'll wait a month or so and maybe buy again hoping they've worked out some of the issues.
 
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X-Frame

Member
Questions about data plans:

1. If you purchase a monthly 5GB plan but 15 days later realize you won't go near that amount, can you reduce the plan?

2. Conversely, can you purchase a low data plan and then 15 days later increase it to a higher plan and only pay the difference?

3. What would be the best way to try out both AT&T and Verizon for a few days to see what has the best coverage in my areas? Purchase the cheapest monthly plan, test the speeds, cancel it after a week and then return for another iPad and do the same? Is there a better way?
 
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mrklaw

MrArseFace
Baconsammy said:
Stopped by my local Apple store on the way to work to look at cases and for the hell of it handled an iPad 2 and a new one. World of difference in heat. Despite the whining of fans, the press aren't manufacturing this story. It's a fact. The problem is that the casual observer is only going to note the heat and not fully comprehend why the new iPads are so hot and how easily they can minimize it when they own one (turn down the brightness, don't use it while plugged in, turn off Bluetooth and auto-brightness, and don't have 50 apps running concurrently).
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How do you avoid having apps running?

The heat feels quite localised to me, makes me wonder if its more the CPU than the battery. Although 10F doesn't sound like much, it can feel quite warm when its resting on your leg, but if you touch it, it feels cool. Nowhere near as toasty as a MBA but still warm.
 
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Kung Fu Jedi

Member
My iPad 3 does run warmer than my first gen model, but it isn't like it's so hot you can't hold on to it. It is warmer but it isn't a skillet or something. Doesn't bother me in the least at this point.
 
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giga

Member
mrklaw said:
How do you avoid having apps running?

The heat feels quite localised to me, makes me wonder if its more the CPU than the battery. Although 10F doesn't sound like much, it can feel quite warm when its resting on your leg, but if you touch it, it feels cool. Nowhere near as toasty as a MBA but still warm.
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Apps rarely run in the background. The only possible ways for them to is if it's audio, gps, voip, or a 10 minute background execution. None of these should really impact the SoC or heat generation as much as running GLBenchmark for 5 minutes would.
 
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captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
RE random test between two ipads, what a terrible test, they should put some text up on both. Also a few people did get it right, including the smart one who actually got closer to both displays.
 
SuperPac

SuperPac

Member
Kung Fu Jedi said:
My iPad 3 does run warmer than my first gen model, but it isn't like it's so hot you can't hold on to it. It is warmer but it isn't a skillet or something. Doesn't bother me in the least at this point.
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Same here. Does it get warmer than the iPad 2 during use? Yes. It hasn't nearly gotten as warm as my MacBook Air does after heavy use of that. Warm to the touch but I'm not going to suffer any burns handling it.
 
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FlashFlooder

Member
Baconsammy said:
Stopped by my local Apple store on the way to work to look at cases and for the hell of it handled an iPad 2 and a new one. World of difference in heat. Despite the whining of fans, the press aren't manufacturing this story. It's a fact. The problem is that the casual observer is only going to note the heat and not fully comprehend why the new iPads are so hot and how easily they can minimize it when they own one (turn down the brightness, don't use it while plugged in, turn off Bluetooth and auto-brightness, and don't have 50 apps running concurrently).
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You can't have 50 apps running concurrently. It is very rare for any app to actually be running in the background, unless it's actively using GPS or streaming (maybe a few other cases).
I've got a buddy who compulsively opens the 'recent apps' drawer on his phone and deletes all the apps. He's convinced this gives him better battery life.


The heat thing is not a real issue. Yes, it does get hotter than the other iPads but that's about all there is to say about it. I think the reason the media is running with it is to capitalize on being able to report on the iPad (pageviews), and the general hysteria of millions of investors looking for a chink in Apple's armor.
 
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Soulscribe

Member
Are there any updated lists of retina-ready apps? I keep seeing the original list that came out before the iPad came out but I want a constantly updating one. Anyone?
 
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blackflag

Member
All this heat stuff is crazy. There must be something wildly different between some of these iPads. I have verizon lte 32gb and have never felt it heat up.
 
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Ready Up Already

Neo Member
TxdoHawk said:
Those of you comparing how warm your iPads are getting, please keep in mind that the presence/use of things like LTE can have a huge, HUGE impact on that sort of thing. I'm not familiar with what kind of antenna/chipset the iPad is using, but most 4G phone owners will tell you that 4G use on their phone = a warm spot due to how new and inefficient LTE technology is.
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I'd be very curious to hear Apple's thought process on releasing the new iPad in March, and not waiting a few more months in order to use Qualcomm's new, more efficient MDM9615 chip for LTE as opposed to the older 9600, which Anandtech believes was used. They seemingly solved the problem of existing LTE chips being inefficient not by holding out for a more efficient chip, but by using a massive battery. Not a wrong choice, as battery life with LTE has been measuring well; just unexpected.
 
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captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Ready Up Already said:
I'd be very curious to hear Apple's thought process on releasing the new iPad in March, and not waiting a few more months in order to use Qualcomm's new, more efficient MDM9615 chip for LTE as opposed to the older 9600, which Anandtech believes was used. They seemingly solved the problem of existing LTE chips being inefficient not by holding out for a more efficient chip, but by using a massive battery. Not a wrong choice, as battery life with LTE has been measuring well; just unexpected.
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uh, the massive battery is for the massive resolution of the screen...
Ipads get warm regardless of LTE.
 
D

dallow_bg

nods at old men
TxdoHawk said:
Yeah, I'm aware, I just didn't want people freaking themselves out with apples-to-oranges comparisons. There are a lot of factors in play as to how much heat you can potentially be generating between that, how bright you are running the screen, is the iPad plugged in, what you're doing, etc. Just saying "My iPad gets warm!" or "My iPad hasn't gotten warm!" doesn't really say much without knowing the specifics.

As I said a few pages ago, I think a bump in heat generation was inevitable...faster processor, LTE in some cases, a newer, more powerful display...and all shoved into a thin slab taken up mostly by a battery.
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I realize that, but you made it sound like it's only because of the LTE antenna in the post I quoted.
 
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Awesome Animals

Member
FlashFlooder said:
You can't have 50 apps running concurrently. It is very rare for any app to actually be running in the background, unless it's actively using GPS or streaming (maybe a few other cases).
I've got a buddy who compulsively opens the 'recent apps' drawer on his phone and deletes all the apps. He's convinced this gives him better battery life.
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Umm...I definitely believe this to be true as well. At least with my iPhone :/
 
f@luS

f@luS

More than a member.
FlashFlooder said:
You can't have 50 apps running concurrently. It is very rare for any app to actually be running in the background, unless it's actively using GPS or streaming (maybe a few other cases).
I've got a buddy who compulsively opens the 'recent apps' drawer on his phone and deletes all the apps. He's convinced this gives him better battery life.
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i do it all the time , not for battery but perf wise...and its not a belief its true.

i often go down to 20-30mb on my iphone, and i feel it (slower)
closing app is really useful
 
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undecided

Member
The edges of my home button don't seem to be flush with the bezel on my new iPad.. Old iPad and iPhones are all smooth, but this one has a sharp lip rising above the bezel. Anyone else have that?
 
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FlashFlooder

Member
f@luS said:
i do it all the time , not for battery but perf wise...and its not a belief its true.

i often go down to 20-30mb on my iphone, and i feel it (slower)
closing app is really useful
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iOS purges apps automatically whenever memory is needed.

You really don't have to do this.
 
f@luS

f@luS

More than a member.
FlashFlooder said:
iOS purges apps automatically whenever memory is needed.

You really don't have to do this.
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well then iOS is not that efficient.
because, without checking my ram available when i feel its slower, i check it and oh bam im around 20-50.
so yeah Ios will never make it go to 0 , it would crash, but it can go quite low and slow
 
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captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
i definitely feel like angry birds runs worse when i have a crap load of apps open, the framerate stutters as opposed to being silky smooth when a majority of the apps are closed.
 
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FlashFlooder

Member
undecided said:
The edges of my home button don't seem to be flush with the bezel on my new iPad.. Old iPad and iPhones are all smooth, but this one has a sharp lip rising above the bezel. Anyone else have that?
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my iPad 2 had this, new one is fine.


re: the app closing thing, I never do it on mine and have never had battery or memory issues. Good thing, because it seems like a pain to always have to do it.
 
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GhaleonEB

Member
JetBlackPanda said:
what a shit article.

NEW IPAD GETS UP TO 116 DEGREES!!!

of course the fine print explains that is about 12 degrees hotter then the 2 and the author even states it was not uncomfortable to hold.
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It's only a few paragraphs long and explains their test and what it measures against clearly and without hyperbole. That's how CR articles generally go.
 
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Gamecocks625

Member
X-Frame said:
Can you open an iPad bought in an Apple Store and inspect it before taking it home?
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Certainly. There are stations you can have a seat at and set it up.

codhand said:
New iPad is 13 degrees hotter

Hot or not?
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http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/03/20/comparing-temperatures

Great response from Gruber:
As Alex Dedalus points out on Twitter, to say this is a crap headline is give crap headlines a bad name. Celsius and Fahrenheit are relative temperature scales, not absolute, so you can’t do percentage-based comparisons. Think about it: 33.6 / 28.3 gives you an “18.7 percent” increase, but if you do the math with the same temperatures in Fahrenheit, you get 92.5 / 82.9 = “11.6 percent” increase. If you really want to do a percentage based comparison, you need to convert to an absolute temperature scale like Kelvin, which shows you that it’s actually a 1.8 percent increase in temperature (306.75 / 301.45). This is middle school science.

That doesn’t make for a good Verge headline though, and neither would “5.3 degrees” (Celsius), so I suggest going with Fahrenheit — “Tests Show New iPad Runs Up to 10 Degrees Hotter Than iPad 2” — to maximize the sensational impact while still being technically true.
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