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The Office | In defense of Season 8 and 9...But also not.

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
So over the past 4-6 weeks, I binged through The Office. I've always wanted to get into it, and finally did it. Season 1, as expected, was a little bit slow, and I didn't mind it. It was a mid-season show and it didn't have enough time or episodes to be fleshed out. But seasons 2-7 were brilliant (apart from the flashback episode). I'm not going to dissect the seasons too much, because I personally found them all constantly great overall. Yes, some may have been better than others, but for the purposes of this thread, it's somewhat irrelevant.

Now, I've endured a show before where basically everything changes and the cast is dramatically shook up (that show being Scrubs). I found it best to think of those instances as an epilogue, essentially. The main story has ended, and the epilogue serves to basically close up a few points and stories, and give us a glimpse of what's happened to the characters in the future.

So once season 7 finished, I knew I was going into The Office post-Michael Scott...and I knew I had to prepare myself for the infamous turbulence. And in some ways the final 2 seasons surprised me (in a good way) and it other ways disappointed me.

The highs were that I still liked:

Jim and Pam dealing with two children
Jim's antics with Dwight.
Dwight's antics with...Dwight
Andy as manager (I liked the character, for one)
Andy and Erin
Angela's arc with a gay husband
Andy's second outburst
Andy's Cornell education being good for something at the end of season 8
David Wallace returning
Gabe fired
Robert California fired/severance
Jim starting a new business venture and dealing with the conflicts of it all
Oscar & Angela
Asian Jim (easily my favorite prank)
Nellie knocked down a few pegs
Nellie's past, loneliness and urge to care for a child
Dwight on the ‘radio show’
Assistant to the Assistant to the Regional Manager (LMAO)
Dwight and Angela and their son
Dwight the manager
Dwight the husband

What I didn't like:

-Show got a little dark tonally
-Some episodes and arcs seriously dragged
-Robert California was a terrible character and we didn’t need him that long (or at all)
-California’s wife and divorce related episodes were pointless too
-Andy getting screwed over by Erin. Wtf? Him chasing Erin and vice versa was a colossal waste of viewer’s times.
-Plop and Erin. Plop was a shitty character with zero substance, fuck him.
-Clark sucked too
-Robert California had no balls to stand up to a woman who simply waltzed in to steal a job?
-The Jim and Pam conflict was deep, but felt a bit dark sometimes. It works out well in the end, but it felt out of character for them both.
-Cathy ‘the Pam replacement’ was lame. Her trying to get Jim to cheat felt like the show was trying too hard to put their relationship to the test. Athlead and the move to Philly/Austin should've been the extent of that battle between both seasons.
-Brian the boom mic guy having a crush on Pam was unnecessary, creepy and distracting. I did like that they had a major interaction with the doc crew, but still…that was a little off.
-Dwight’s son…uhhh, Dwight literally had a DNA test that said it wasn’t his? Was this a retcon? A theory says that it was Philip Halpert’s diaper that Dwight stole. But it’s still a bit odd. Was baby Halpert even in that scene/episode?
-Andy crashing and burning. I don’t think Andy’s character was given a fair shake. Not sure why the writers felt compelled to cast a dark cloud over him between his love life, family, and overall lack of successes.
-Ryan abandoned a baby…I laughed and also gasped. Not sure what to think. Although, it did wrap up a character arc for Nellie.
-Why wasn’t Michael in the final scene with them in the office? I really think he should have been. I understand Carell did not want to steal any one’s thunder, but he was extremely important to the show. He basically was the show at one point. And he also only said like 5 words the entire time. His return felt so cold and hollow.

I think that mostly covers my thoughts. All in all, seasons 8 and 9 had one solid season worth of content. And were it not for pointless characters, sub and side-plots, the overall quality would've been terrific. But unfortunately, the writers felt compelled to keep shaking things up and it never felt natural and always felt forced.
 
You can summarize The Office's rise and fall in quality to the character arc of Kevin.

His painful character change from quiet observant to a cartoony fat guy that over exaggerates when he talks, is really really stupid, and makes facial expressions that nobody would make
 

Switch Back 9

a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
Jim is my most hated sitcom character of all time. I'd give good money to punch that smug face of his.
 

suaveric

Member
I don't know exactly which season it was, but at some point most of the side characters became caricatures of themselves. That's really when they should have stopped.
 

DoubleYou

Member
-Robert California was a terrible character and we didn’t need him that long (or at all)

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Are you kidding me? Robert California was the best thing of the post-Michael Scott episodes
 
I agree that the show took a nosedive once Michael left, but I'm actually still really satisfied with how it ended. Think they did the best they could with the finale given everything that had happened in the previous season or two.
 
I agree that the show took a nosedive once Michael left, but I'm actually still really satisfied with how it ended. Think they did the best they could with the finale given everything that had happened in the previous season or two.
The finale was fine. Everything leading up to it was complete and utter shit.
 
I think season 8 isn't bad but 9 is a train wreck, Jim's 2nd job stuff just felt so weird and the tension it brought was depressing.

Robert California was great, so many fantastic episodes with him, I love the episode where he secretly tells Andy not to hire his wife when he brings her in for an interview. Also his insane Halloween story.
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
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Are you kidding me? Robert California was the best thing of the post-Michael Scott episodes

He certainly had some interesting and head-scratching moments, but a lot of the character just seemed like filler material.
 
I wasn't a big fan of season 8 when it first aired on TV, but a rewatch of it on Netflix, I liked it a lot more. Same with season 4-7. Didn't like very much when new on TV, but a rewatch was a lot better. However, season 9 was worse on my rewatch. Very bad season, except for final few eps.
 

Poppy

Member
i know i cant really have much of an opinion since i stopped entirely sometime in S6 but imo the office is only good for seasons 2 and 3 and some parts (but not all) of 4

after that its like post season 8 simpsons, some good episodes but mostly just blah

that being said season 2 and 3 of the office are some of the best stuff ever and endlessly rewatchable so the office is still great to me
 

Lamel

Banned
Season 2-3 (and to some extent 4-5) are amazing television.

The later seasons were okay, but the show could have ended earlier. and I'm a HUGE office fan. Robert california was also the best part of season 8.

What I disliked was how they ruined Andy's character and also the forced Jim/Pam drama.
 

Servbot24

Banned
Andy is the worst character on the show. I was glad when Erin finally kicked him to the curb. Though trying to have her with the New Jim guy was pretty lame.
 

NOLA_Gaffer

Banned
I hate that they change Andy from a fairly likable guy with self-esteem issues and a temper into just a complete and utter asshole.

So many characters ruined in those last few seasons but his was the worst.
 

aBarreras

Member
i started watching the office with season where they start with that no no song.

then i watched the next season because i liked the show, didnt know any of the story lines and stuff and i still liked, then i went back a watched everything from the start.

i liked it all overall, but i found season 9 jim/pam storyline really exhausting, like, they were supposed to be THE COUPLE, good thing everything worked out alright at the end, and michael's return on the finale was great
 
Robert California was kind of okay until his "arc" if you could call it that came to a close in the stupidest way.

S8 and 9 had a few good moments but for me marred by how incredibly directionless the show felt. Like, literally did not know where to take the show post-Carell and threw darts at a board and boom that was your arc.
 

night814

Member
How is The Office after Steve Carrell left? I stopped watching after that.

Is the quality as good as previous seasons?
Not even close, it's still better than a lot of other shows especially around that time but it suffers from artificial stretching with lots of filler/irrelevant sub-plots.
 
I automatically assume people who enjoyed the later seasons suck

Everyone was dreadful. Andy and Robert being bosses was torture. I was so sick of Andy. And Pam. And Jim.

And then daryl got a job in the office. And then they introduced Greg Miller and some other guy.

Oh and then the camera crew got too hands on. One of them saved Pam from an attack and it was so lame

At least creed was good I think.
 

Goro Majima

Kitty Genovese Member
Dwight as the manager probably could have carried a hypothetical season 10 that would have been much better than season 8.

You're right about Brian the mic guy. Easily the worst and most contrived part of Season 9 that was all a part of the bigger "Pam and Jim are falling apart" plot.
 
I think the moment I checked out of the show was when Erin threw the disposable camera in the garbage can. The show had enough stupid characters in it already, and now it's reaching for "Homer Simpson" stupid.

I kind of liked Robert California, though.
 
-Robert California was a terrible character and we didn’t need him that long (or at all)
On the one hand,I agree over the whole arc that he could have been better. Other hand though, he IS the fucking lizard king.

I liked The Office for the first few seasons, but the final few seasons felt repetitive to me. Ending was nice though.
 

Quirah

Member
I actually liked Robert California too. (Talking about character himself) He was good addition to post-Michael Office.
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
Jim-replacement was a scumbag who literally stole another mans girlfriend.

You can't "steal" someone's girlfriend because boyfriends don't own girlfriends. Women have agency and can make the choice to be with who they want to be with. There is nothing wrong with leaving someone for someone else.
 
Robert California was funny, but mostly as a vehicle for the actor to do his thing and not because he fit particularly well into the show.

The decline of The Office took place waaaaaay before the last two seasons (I'm one of those assholes who thinks that, despite having many good episodes afterwards, Michael driving his car into a lake because the GPS said so is the end of Good Office) but these two were truly dire. The triangle iPad bullshit, Jim and Pam rehashing the art school plot with Jim going to work at Deadspin or whatever, the atrocious last-minute characterization of the cameraman, Erin basically being a proto-Kimmy Schmidt without the "lived in a compound" backstory... christ it was bad television.
 
James Spader kills it on this show IMO. I've rewatched it so many times, and he just keeps growing on me. Catherine Tate too.

I still don't like Andy though.
 

Karu

Member
Hates Robert California and likes Andy past Season 3.

No.

Also... 10 seconds of Creed every once in a while makes it all worth it. The S7 post-Michael episode where he is manager kills me everytime.
 
The Office was dead as soon as Michael Scott left, and they should have sent it out to pasture.

That was a terrible season all around. but the beginning of the decline is when Jim and Pam got married.

and yes Robert California was just an awful character all around.
 
I never liked a lot of the characters such as Andy, Angela, and Kelly. Seriously those three are such assholes what they did to Andy's character in S9 is still horrible.
 

The Kree

Banned
Robert California was funny, but mostly as a vehicle for the actor to do his thing and not because he fit particularly well into the show.

The decline of The Office took place waaaaaay before the last two seasons (I'm one of those assholes who thinks that, despite having many good episodes afterwards, Michael driving his car into a lake because the GPS said so is the end of Good Office) but these two were truly dire. The triangle iPad bullshit, Jim and Pam rehashing the art school plot with Jim going to work at Deadspin or whatever, the atrocious last-minute characterization of the cameraman, Erin basically being a proto-Kimmy Schmidt without the "lived in a compound" backstory... christ it was bad television.

For me, The Office stopped being good when Dwight deliberately set the office on fire and trapped everybody inside and he was not immediately arrested or fired from the job.

That's when I was like, OK, this show doesn't take place in any kind of reality resembling my own anymore.
 
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