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Cocopjojo said:
So has anyone been following this thread over at B.net?

Apparently, there is a new "member rank" or whatever on the forums called "Superintendent." All of the profiles that belong to it don't have names, just a collection of "|||||||||"s and a shared profile picture that differs with the eyes.

It looks like six have been discovered so far.

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http://www.bungie.net/Account/Profile.aspx?uid=4742702
http://www.bungie.net/Account/Profile.aspx?uid=4742737
http://www.bungie.net/Account/Profile.aspx?uid=4742721
http://www.bungie.net/Account/Profile.aspx?uid=4742715
http://www.bungie.net/Account/Profile.aspx?uid=4742747
http://www.bungie.net/Account/profile.aspx?uid=4742730

And one that doesn't have the similiar profile picture, but has the same motto as the rest:

http://www.bungie.net/Account/profile.aspx?uid=4742753

Their profiles all say "Keep it clean!"

One of them has three forum posts.

Here
Here
Here

In addition to that, May 16's Weekly Update had a picture of Frank in which he was wearing a shirt that has one of the profile pictures on it; the profile picture of the one that has the three forum posts.

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Also, a Bungie webcam picture shows a sign on the wall that has the same picture.

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I think Ram was referring to all of this ^^
 
Shake Appeal said:
Worst case scenario: Bungie's top secret new project is an XBLA game where you play Penitent Tangent as a 'janitor' who bounces on the heads of escaping Flood to pop them. At the end of every level you hit a switch to deactivate a light bridge on which a Gravemind is sitting, only to be told that the Reclaimer is on another Halo.

meh, i'd play that.
 
Blueblur1 said:
Dude, I don't post on GAf that much during work cuz my boss is on my ass and I gotsa to count my cash correctly!

Not a penny less. Not a penny more. Gotta get that bonus!
 
This thread is like Lost. No matter our differences, it seems we're all connected somehow.

Fox and Nutter = Nikki and Paulo
 
Just played some Legendary Brawl. Rockets on Avalanche = Teh Suck. Also, what's the concept of having the Sniper Rifle as the secondary weapon in Laser Tag? It should be stand alone Lasers only. We get to play Team Snipers and Shotty Snipers enough and I love them both, but when I play Lasers, I want to play Lasers only.
 
I know I'm a bit late in this thread. I've read all of Voc's articles on the Halo 3 terminals (which are now akin to a Halo Bible for the fans).

While we got plenty of answers on the forerunners in the last part of the trilogy, we never found out why the monitor advises Master Chief to wear a level 12 suit at the Library in C.E. Surely it is too big of a coincidence for the forerunners to have named their combat suits the same as the Spartan programme and the fact that guilty spark knows John's suit is a mark VI must mean that the Forerunners had identical suits.

Begs the question: Before the humans were transported back to Earth from the Ark, were they embedded with some forerunner knowledge that would manifest itself later on in the cycle of mankind? Is that why man goes on to create the same suit the forerunners wore because they knew it was this kind of suit that would lead to the salvation of man from forerunner? Do we have dormant knowledge lying in our mind from the forerunner still?

Or

And this one is very far fetched: Is time travelling involved? Maybe the chief meets Guilty Spark by going to the past wearing a mark 12 suit in one of the sequels before Halo C.E Master Chief meets him. This would allow Bungie to remake some key parts in the Halo trilogy in next gen technology and force the chief to rush through it all in the span of a stage. Imagine arriving on the first Halo all over again, then one second fighting on the Silent Cartographer and then next thing you know you're on High Charity trying to run the fuck away. Could be fun but time travelling would piss off so so so many people.

In any case I really wish this was addressed (unless it was and I am t0tal noob).
 
Nutter said:
MIKE! Where is it. :p

Mike is here, and halo is back....but as I told Domino, I have a cousin's graduation party to help at pretty much all day. Perhaps late tonight, but I'm not sure.
 
Having an MP map based on installation 05 would be pretty cool. Since I go Halo 3, I have wanted a map on a complete Halo. So when will we get this map pack? July?
 
Metroidvania said:
....Do the legendary maps on legendary brawl have filters added?

If so, I should try it, I think.

I don't think so, this is a combination of the laser bloom and my camera being in the inside of the regenerator my victims where fighting in, hence the green juicy center of the of the laser's hard candy shell ;)

plus I was in the laser cave area which is already fairly dark.
 
joey_z said:
While we got plenty of answers on the forerunners in the last part of the trilogy, we never found out why the monitor advises Master Chief to wear a level 12 suit at the Library in C.E. Surely it is too big of a coincidence for the forerunners to have named their combat suits the same as the Spartan programme and the fact that guilty spark knows John's suit is a mark VI must mean that the Forerunners had identical suits.

Begs the question: Before the humans were transported back to Earth from the Ark, were they embedded with some forerunner knowledge that would manifest itself later on in the cycle of mankind? Is that why man goes on to create the same suit the forerunners wore because they knew it was this kind of suit that would lead to the salvation of man from forerunner? Do we have dormant knowledge lying in our mind from the forerunner still?
I don't doubt that some knowledge from the Forerunners was passed down. Whether that refers to the items disclosed during the Iris ARG's 'Society of the Ancients' or whether there's something else, I can't say.

It should be noted, however, that the Forerunners had their own tiered classification of armor based on a number of metrics. It's possible and likely that Spark simply noticed that Mark V armor was inferior (as is Mark VI during H2/H3) to the armor needed to move amongst the infection forms without harm. In the terminals, there is an indication that this armor:

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...was the armor required for handling and manipulating the parasite's various forms.

Some of the information about "The Smuggler" in the new update is particularly interesting considering just a day or two ago we were having a discussion about how exactly the Gravemind and its extended infection escaped the quarantine zone.

Mr Vociferous said:
That one. No one knows. You could say it's a hole in the fiction I suppose, but I'd guess that there are things about Delta Halo that we still don't know about. Why was the Gravemind fully formed hours presumably after the UNSC and Covenant touched down? How did the Flood get released from Delta Halo to form a compound mind? Great questions to which we unfortunately have no answers. I think the above bolded line says a lot though. Someone showed up before Regret's fleet. How did Regret know how to get to Delta Halo in the first place? Another random jump bring a space craft to a separate Halo ring? Seems unlikely.
LAUGHTREY said:
Also, the part about retaining genetic memory makes sense, but even if every flood spore on delta halo combined would that make enough for a gravemind? Did someone else stumble on the halo or what? I know the forerunners wouldn't put enough flood on one ring for it to make a gravemind, they aren't that stupid.
BWU said:
REPORT: CONTAINMENT FAILURE

LF.Xx.3273 research and containment facility; [delta site] has experienced catastrophic specimen containment failure. All apertures into facility will be locked until further notice. Atmosphere evacuation and [reduction of ambient temperature] protocols have already been enacted. Request maintenance and security detail [at earliest opportunity]. [8 minutes] elapsed since initial containment failure.

REPORT: CONTAINMENT FAILURE

Waiting for maintenance and security detail. [32 minutes, 9 seconds] elapsed since request.

REPORT: CONTAINMENT FAILURE

Still waiting for maintenance and security detail. [24 hours] elapsed since request.

REPORT: SECURITY BREACH

LF.Xx.3273 research and containment facility; [delta site] has experienced a security breach via emergency [slip stream space] transportation conduits. Emergency [slip stream space] transportation conduits have been placed in recursive mode to contain unauthorized hostile lifeforms. Request emergency security detail. Still waiting for primary maintenance and security detail. [2512332 hours, 14 minutes, 6 seconds]elapsed since initial request.

REPORT: DERELICTION OF DUTY

2401 [PENITENT TANGENT] has been lax in the areas of maintenance and security.
Obviously entitling this as 'smuggler' seems to reference the map discussed last week. It seems possible that the map in question is part of the ship which escaped containment from Installation 05 and crashed into Mombasa - presumably the Gravemind's first attempt to gain access to the Ark. It could also be part of High Charity or the Ark which has been contaminated by the Flood.

For me, there are several points of interest and questions I have dealing with that original question: How did the Gravemind/Flood escape containment...

1) Who is writing this report? An automated system on the installation? Another AI construct? The Archive construct on the Ark? Who is keeping tabs on Tangent here?

2) When did Tangent become derelict? When we first meet him in the clutches of the parasite, we know that he's not in good condition, but for the most part we believed that he had functioned as expected. The Bestiarum caveat seems to indicate that he was reliable here too (ignore the red highlight):

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3) Why is there no reference to an interloper? On Installation 04, we clearly see that the Covenant unwittingly released the Flood. We have no such understanding on Installation 05, where the Flood has been released for some time - long enough for a compound mind to be formed. Did the Flood escape on their own? Did Tangent release them in a state of rampancy - perhaps just when the Covenant and humans arrived? I've always felt as though the Covenant had found the ring earlier, near the time they found Installation 04 and they were again the source of this release, but perhaps there was someone else on the installation or maybe 'delta site' had live specimens instead of dormant infection forms?

I've always felt that the temperature being lowered had something to do with the installation affecting the infestation, but I had long discarded that idea since the temperature seemed to have no effect on the Flood nor was every low-temperature segment of the installations (04, 05 and the Ark) directly related to containment/quarantine. It appears, however, that I was wrong. Perhaps the temperature slows down the rate of growth, curtailing the extent of the infestation to some degree.

Who knows...

/nerd rant
 
joey_z said:
I know I'm a bit late in this thread. I've read all of Voc's articles on the Halo 3 terminals (which are now akin to a Halo Bible for the fans).

While we got plenty of answers on the forerunners in the last part of the trilogy, we never found out why the monitor advises Master Chief to wear a level 12 suit at the Library in C.E. Surely it is too big of a coincidence for the forerunners to have named their combat suits the same as the Spartan programme and the fact that guilty spark knows John's suit is a mark VI must mean that the Forerunners had identical suits.

Begs the question: Before the humans were transported back to Earth from the Ark, were they embedded with some forerunner knowledge that would manifest itself later on in the cycle of mankind? Is that why man goes on to create the same suit the forerunners wore because they knew it was this kind of suit that would lead to the salvation of man from forerunner? Do we have dormant knowledge lying in our mind from the forerunner still?

Or

And this one is very far fetched: Is time travelling involved? Maybe the chief meets Guilty Spark by going to the past wearing a mark 12 suit in one of the sequels before Halo C.E Master Chief meets him. This would allow Bungie to remake some key parts in the Halo trilogy in next gen technology and force the chief to rush through it all in the span of a stage. Imagine arriving on the first Halo all over again, then one second fighting on the Silent Cartographer and then next thing you know you're on High Charity trying to run the fuck away. Could be fun but time travelling would piss off so so so many people.

In any case I really wish this was addressed (unless it was and I am t0tal noob).


You didn't pay close enough attention. Guilty Spark calls it a level 2 or 3 combat skin or something like that. He never mentioned MJOLNIR or anything like that, he was using his own scale.
 
Voc's Awesome Post
Looking at the BWU, wouldnt it mean that no outside presence was at delta halo when the outbreak happened? I mean it clearly states when the Covenant arrive. (and that is a very long time after the outbreak. Seems to me, someone was on Delta halo before we arrived(covenant/humans) and when the outbreak happened they left (or supposedly they left after Peninant Tangent failed to control the outbreak) (and looking at the time pass until the covenant arrive, the gravemind formed)
 
Mr Vociferous said:
For me, there are several points of interest and questions I have dealing with that original question: How did the Gravemind/Flood escape containment...

1) Who is writing this report? An automated system on the installation? Another AI construct? The Archive construct on the Ark? Who is keeping tabs on Tangent here?
It's definitely something that was already on 05, since it's been making reports for 284 years.
2) When did Tangent become derelict? When we first meet him in the clutches of the parasite, we know that he's not in good condition, but for the most part we believed that he had functioned as expected. The Bestiarum caveat seems to indicate that he was reliable here too (ignore the red highlight):
Wouldn't it be safe to assume he became derelict whenever the gravemind got a hold of him? He didn't seem to be any more rampant than 343, if either of them were rampant at all. At least not enough to want to help the flood, he did say he wanted to fire the ring.
3) Why is there no reference to an interloper? On Installation 04, we clearly see that the Covenant unwittingly released the Flood. We have no such understanding on Installation 05, where the Flood has been released for some time - long enough for a compound mind to be formed. Did the Flood escape on their own? Did Tangent release them in a state of rampancy - perhaps just when the Covenant and humans arrived? I've always felt as though the Covenant had found the ring earlier, near the time they found Installation 04 and they were again the source of this release, but perhaps there was someone else on the installation or maybe 'delta site' had live specimens instead of dormant infection forms?
According to the WWU, there have been problems on Delta for hundreds of years, so it's safe to assume the flood got out long before they did on 04.
I've always felt that the temperature being lowered had something to do with the installation affecting the infestation, but I had long discarded that idea since the temperature seemed to have no effect on the Flood nor was every low-temperature segment of the installations (04, 05 and the Ark) directly related to containment/quarantine. It appears, however, that I was wrong. Perhaps the temperature slows down the rate of growth, curtailing the extent of the infestation to some degree.

Who knows...

/nerd rant

Didn't the flood crash the sentinel factory into the quarantine wall in Halo 2? Wasn't the area near the wall very icy and snowing? The control room on the Ark and 04 were near a snowy environment, so if anything else the cold probably at least doesn't help the flood in any way.
 
Mr Vociferous said:
Did Tangent release them in a state of rampancy - perhaps just when the Covenant and humans arrived?
The fact that he glows red could indicate a state of rampancy. I mean, what color did Spark glow when he turned on the Chief?
 
Voc, I don't think that the sender of the message is anyone of importance. It's probably just an automated system acknowledging the fact that its caretaker hasn't responded to its calls for maintenance.

And yeah, I have wondered for a while, too, how the Flood escaped containment at Installation 05. Obviously, something happened with Penitent Tangent.

Also, the "LF.Xx.3273 research and containment facility" confirms that Delta Halo was, indeed, a containment facility for the Gravemind, since LF.Xx.3273 is the tag used by the Gravemind when he speaks to Mendicant Bias throughout the Terminals.
 
So earlier today I was bored and decided to create my first original gametype and map in forge.

I came up with something that I thought was pretty cool.

Welcome Air Trap


Where: Sandtrap Custom Variant

What: A Territories style game with 4 different points.

Offensive players must use aircraft vehicles to capture points in mid-air.
Defensive players will be given a Gaus Warthog as well as rockets and a spartan laser to take down air ships.

When: Very soon, currently working on balancing.

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This picture can give you guys a basic idea of what it's like. (Not Final.)
Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. Let me know what you think.
 
Cocopjojo said:
Voc, I don't think that the sender of the message is anyone of importance. It's probably just an automated system acknowledging the fact that its caretaker hasn't responded to its calls for maintenance.

And yeah, I have wondered for a while, too, how the Flood escaped containment at Installation 05. Obviously, something happened with Penitent Tangent.

Also, the "LF.Xx.3273 research and containment facility" confirms that Delta Halo was, indeed, a containment facility for the Gravemind, since LF.Xx.3273 is the tag used by the Gravemind, when he speaks to Mendicant Bias, throughout the Terminals.
Oh, so Gravemind was already on Delta Halo.. I thought it formed into itself over time. But that opens up the possibility that Gravemind somehow made Penitent Tangent Go rampant and open up the gates for the Flood to be released. As far as the person/thing keeping tabs on Tangent, maybe it was an A.I?
 
Nutter said:
Oh, so Gravemind was already on Delta Halo.. I thought it formed into itself over time. But that opens up the possibility that Gravemind somehow made Penitent Tangent Go rampant and open up the gates for the Flood to be released.
Yeah, the fact that it's called the "LF.Xx.3273 research and containment facility" makes it seem as though it was home to the original Gravemind. And if the Gravemind could talk Mendicant Bias into turning against his creators, then it's likely that, if he was able to open communications with 2401, then he'd be able to turn it against its directives; or at least drive it insane.
 
DancingJesus said:
So earlier today I was bored and decided to create my first original gametype and map in forge.

I came up with something that I thought was pretty cool.

Welcome Air Trap


Where: Sandtrap Custom Variant

What: A Territories style game with 4 different points.

Offensive players must use aircraft vehicles to capture points in mid-air.
Defensive players will be given a Gaus Warthog as well as rockets and a spartan laser to take down air ships.

When: Very soon, currently working on balancing.

37466980-Full.jpg


This picture can give you guys a basic idea of what it's like. (Not Final.)
Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. Let me know what you think.

That looks awesome and I'd love to help test it out.
 
Cocopjojo said:
Yeah, the fact that it's called the "LF.Xx.3273 research and containment facility" makes it seem as though it was home to the original Gravemind. And if the Gravemind could talk Mendicant Bias into turning against his creators, then it's likely that, if he was able to open communications with 2401, then he'd be able to turn it against its directives; or at least drive it insane.
I'm leaning towards it being insane, because the way 2401 was talking when you get to meet him along with the Gravemind. He was still talking about how to contain the outbreak.
So Gravemind must have made him insane enough to open the gates.
 
Nutter said:
I'm leaning towards it being insane, because the way 2401 was talking when you get to meet him along with the Gravemind. He was still talking about how to contain the outbreak.
So Gravemind must have made him insane enough to open the gates.
It'd certainly be ironic if he let them go because of some crazy idea to make any suitable reclaimers panic enough to activate the rings.
No more ironic than the Flood forgoing eating you in order to stop Truth, though.
 
Botolf said:
It'd certainly be ironic if he let them go because of some crazy idea to make any suitable reclaimers panic enough to activate the rings.
No more ironic than the Flood forgoing eating you in order to stop Truth, though.
Maybe the Gravemind made 2401 realise he was all alone, and he could get the forerunner's to come back to Delta halo if he released the flood.
Little Ai boxes get lonely too. :lol
 
Nutter said:
But that was when he was in the clutches of the Gravemind.
Can you say for sure he wasn't that color before he was caught by the Gravemind? I find it hard to believe that the fact that Spark turned red when he turned on the Chief is just a mere coincidence.
 
I don't quite understand how the Gravemind got into Installation 05 in the first place. Surely there was no one left to contain it by the time the rings had fired, and if it had been contained before that, surely the rings would not have needed firing.

Also, with the rampancy of Mendicant Bias, it seems unlikely the Forerunners would have left anyway for a contained Gravemind to communicate with more A.I.

The one glaring hole in the fiction for me is why there are Flood contained on any of the Halos. We can guess it was for studying, but surely such a dangerous parasite, by the time the arrays were fired, should have been eradicated. The Forerunners were prepared to destroy entire star systsems to contain it, surely their own reasearch would have been worth destroying too.
 
Shafto said:
The one glaring hole in the fiction for me is why there are Flood contained on any of the Halos. We can guess it was for studying, but surely such a dangerous parasite, by the time the arrays were fired, should have been eradicated. The Forerunners were prepared to destroy entire star systsems to contain it, surely their own reasearch would have been worth destroying too.


Same reason epidemiologists keep Smallpox samples in jars, perhaps? Better to know a thing and control it, than know nothing when it reappears.
 
Stinkles said:
Same reason epidemiologists keep Smallpox samples in jars, perhaps? Better to know a thing and control it, than know nothing when it reappears.


Automated research to find a better way to fight the flood, as well.
 
Cocopjojo said:
Yeah, the fact that it's called the "LF.Xx.3273 research and containment facility" makes it seem as though it was home to the original Gravemind.
There is the possibility that LF.Xx.3273 denotes the Flood as a species (Lifeform 3273?) and not the conglomerate entity that is Gravemind, in which case there is a "LF.Xx.3273 research and containment facility" on every Halo we have visited. It seems unlikely that the Forerunners would have trapped a Gravemind somehow... unless they grew one.
 
Dax01 said:
Can you say for sure he wasn't that color before he was caught by the Gravemind? I find it hard to believe that the fact that Spark turned red when he turned on the Chief is just a mere coincidence.
Doesn't necessarily indicate Rampancy in either case; Monitors could just turn red under extreme duress or when hostile.
 
Stinkles said:
Same reason epidemiologists keep Smallpox samples in jars, perhaps? Better to know a thing and control it, than know nothing when it reappears.
Makes sense. Especially since the Flood are of "extra-galactic origin." So, even if the Forerunners were to have wiped out all Flood in our galaxy, they could still send more from wherever they came from. This is even more incentive to keep some alive for study.
 
Cocopjojo said:
Makes sense. Especially since the Flood are of "extra-galactic origin." So, even if the Forerunners were to have wiped out all Flood in our galaxy, they could still send more from wherever they came from. This is even more incentive to keep some alive for study.


bingo
 
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