I think the problem is they put enough in there to entice some, and confuse others. But there wasn't enough to flesh out the questions people had. And there was probably too much for people, so they glazed over most of it and saw "ZOMG! BALD SPACE MARINEZ!" Then again, I know a lot of people who still haven't beaten the campaign yet.Cocopjojo said:
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Yeah, that is great.GhaleonEB said:
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"From end to end of this galaxy, most are blinded!"
I agree. Though I think Halo 3 went a bit too story-lite, Bungie put a lot of easy-to-find story into Halo 2 and what happened? People didn't like it, didn't understand it, or didn't give a shit. Of all the people I know (outside of GAF) who play Halo, I can't think of anyone who has ever payed attention to a cutscene or the story.Cocopjojo said:
So while it would have been nice to have more story in the game, I can understand why they went with this "layer" method (light story in game, with a bit more detail in cutscenes, and super-hardcore story stuff in terminals that the super-hardcore fans will be looking for.)
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Well, I wish they could have just said "screw it" and made the campaign for us. But I guess they couldn't do that. And they did put a ton of effort into speaking subtly for us - with Cortana's Fall of Reach references, the Terminals' story, and the Halo 1 dialogue references ("there's two of us in here now, remember?"). In fact, speaking realistically, they did a lot more for us than I expected them to be able to do.
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Well, he came down from the sky on a flaming piece of shrapnel, so you can draw conclusions from that; he was ejected from the Dreadnought or something like that. I mean, they didn't tell us in Halo 1 how he got picked up from the Halo. But anyway, you can't really blame Bungie for this particular example, since the comic series, "Halo: Uprising" tells this story. But Marvel screwed up royally and the comics' release dates have been delayed by almost a year.Blueblur1 said:
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Cocopjojo said:
That's an issue, though. I shouldn't have to buy a comic or an outside book to know about these in-game mysteries. I should be able to experience them in the campaign.
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I am playing Crackdown for the first time in months and I saw an advertisement for the Legendary Map Pack on one of the billboards.:lol :lol
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Am I a bad person because I don't understand the halo story and truely do not give a fuck?
I played through all the campaigns but never really caught that much of a story. I just like to shoot shit.
I played through all the campaigns but never really caught that much of a story. I just like to shoot shit.
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joey_z said:
Almost completely fabricated by the marketing people.
I don't think we'll ever know all we want to with Halo, there's still a lot of stuff about marathon that people don't know about. That's just how it is, and the way the emphasized that this is the end of this story gives me less hope.
I'm pretty sure the majority of the Bungie staff have checked out from Halo development. I'm sure they just have a few small teams working on DLC and the online components now. I wouldn't set my expectations for DLC too high because its probably going to continue to be map packs consisting of 3 maps each. I'm expecting this next map pack to be the last.
We'll get another if they feel compelled to create more content but I wouldn't expect anymore beyond that.
We'll get another if they feel compelled to create more content but I wouldn't expect anymore beyond that.
Cocopjojo said:
I don't know if that's a legitimate reason. Halo 3 was going to sell fuck loads irrespective of the story. In fact, if Bungie had put more soul in the plot of the game then maybe the reviewers that had a gripe with it would have thought otherwise and resulted in better reviews (not that it was a slouch in any sense of the word).
If Kojima can make cut scenes as lenghty as he does and as complicated as he wants without much compromise to the story all whilst keep a huge fan base I don't see why Bungie can't do the same. They were definitely at that point in the fan's eyes where they could do no wrong. So why did they compromise the story just to please the casual gamers that would rather play multiplayer anyway. It was the last chapter of an epic sci fi trilogy. Hailed by some as the greatest sci fi game, I personally feel Bungie should have catered to the story with better intentions.
xxjuicesxx said:Am I a bad person because I don't understand the halo story and truely do not give a fuck?
I played through all the campaigns but never really caught that much of a story. I just like to shoot shit.
No, you're the typical gamer. Bungie had to cater to the average Joe who wants some mild narrative to move the game along but doesn't want to go too deep into the story. They did well for those people.
I think the terminals could have been done MUCH better and was expecting them to be better though. I read most of the text in the Terminals and had a vague idea of what it was trying to convey, but when I read Mr. V's full description (decryption?!) of the Terminals I was blown away by what I missed.
For those of us interested in the story, I'm not sure why they made the terminals so damned difficult to understand.
Why oh why am I so terrible at SWAT most of the time but some games I destroy. Game after game I get the jump on people and they never drop even when I empty a full clip into their dome. Maybe it's my wireless connection or HDTV lag or something. I just don't get it.
There's a rumor going around that this "TheBigBreakfast" cat is a StrongSide alt - http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Halo3/Default.aspx?player=TheBigBreakfast
If I ever find a genie in a bottle I'm going to ask for Halo skills of that level. 9 ranked untouchables, crushing 50s, nearly 3.0 k/d o_0 I'm jealous.
There's a rumor going around that this "TheBigBreakfast" cat is a StrongSide alt - http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Halo3/Default.aspx?player=TheBigBreakfast
If I ever find a genie in a bottle I'm going to ask for Halo skills of that level. 9 ranked untouchables, crushing 50s, nearly 3.0 k/d o_0 I'm jealous.
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I'm not comparing Halo 3 to MGS. I'm just saying that using Halo's fanbase as an excuse for not creating a better and more intricate and emotional story is not a legitimate excuse. Gamers that sit through for the plot will sit through it no matter what, as is evident with the MGS series. No reason to gimp a game.
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People are always speculating of pros alts whenever someone nails some big stats. Regardless it seems that that's someone from MLG since he plays games with some of the MLG names and Gilbert Arenas's account.
I remember when one of the tournament weekend playlists was out there was Bulldozer25 and people were saying that was probably Strongside because he was dominating pros and the first to get to 50 in whatever playlist it was.
I remember when one of the tournament weekend playlists was out there was Bulldozer25 and people were saying that was probably Strongside because he was dominating pros and the first to get to 50 in whatever playlist it was.
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What's with all the people forwarding crappy pics and saying "Send this to 10 people and get Recon":lol Crappy forwards have moved from the email realm to the Xbox Live realm:lol
Also, someone sent me a picture of the LAWLRUS. No idea how they got it in a Halo 3 screenshot but it's hilarious.
Also, someone sent me a picture of the LAWLRUS. No idea how they got it in a Halo 3 screenshot but it's hilarious.
As Domino said before, we shouldn't have to know of or watch any media outside of the main game to understand it. And Blomkamp's movies weren't directly tied to Halo 3.Falagard said:
Halo 2's intro set up the story nicely and even recapped Halo 1's story. It was a fantastic opening compared to Halo 3's rush job.
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kylej, SWAT is just inconsistent. With health, the uncertainty factor plays in, but with SWAT, it's a quick hit or miss. It all depends on if you have host and if you're an Elite.
With 100% damage resistance, the problem with Elites would be [mostly] solved. But of course, that went ignored. :/
And campaign discussion: I just decided to play some Halo 1 again on Xbox Originals, and man, does it remind me of how AWESOME Truth and Reconciliation is. Especially the music. Man oh man.
With 100% damage resistance, the problem with Elites would be [mostly] solved. But of course, that went ignored. :/
And campaign discussion: I just decided to play some Halo 1 again on Xbox Originals, and man, does it remind me of how AWESOME Truth and Reconciliation is. Especially the music. Man oh man.
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Blueblur1 said:
Do you really not understand what's going on in Halo though? It's like Star Wars, there's stories about it 20,000 years before and 200 something after and it does elaborate a lot on the movies, but the movies stand perfectly on their own. Same with the Halo games.
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Yeah, just because you don't know exactly how the Chief got off of the Dreadnought and onto the ground doesn't mean that there "mysteries that should have been explained." He was in space above Earth on the Dreadnought at the end of Halo 2, and at the beginning of Halo 3 he comes flying down to Earth on a piece of shrapnel. I think that's completely acceptable.LAUGHTREY said:
I think Halo 3's opening is one of the best openings to any video game, ever. I was stunned when I first watched it.
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Absolutely. It's just frustrating when I'm obviously letting my team down even though I try my hardest. It kind of sucks because I want to keep playing SWAT, but the more I play the harder it is for me to rank up. I can already feel my 45 starting to solidify and it's only going to get worse. That June playlist update can't come soon enough.
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kylej said:
Same with me. Nutter and I are hovering around 46 in SWAT. I'm happy about ShWATguns, although host will play a big part in that as well. But I'm uncertain about the Objectives. Flag is fine for me, but Ball? :/
The first 50 games of Ranked SWAT I played with my group, we lost only about 5 games. We just felt like "the" SWAT guys. But at higher levels, that feeling has long been destroyed. We'd be lucky to get a 3+ win streak going. I try my hardest as well. There are a few games where I'll get 3, yes 3 total kills the whole game. Then the next game comes around and I get 22+ kills.
But I think RBTB is where I'll go for that 50
(it's a big stretch, but I have some confidence).You're kidding, right? There's no set up, no retelling of what previously happened. Hell, its not even believable that the Chief is "dead." I could write a better opening in less than 500 words.Cocopjojo said:
EDIT: Laughtrey, I know what happens in Halo 1. My point is that Halo 2's opening serves as a better introduction because touches upon what happened in Halo 1, adds to it by providing the Covenant point of view and sets up both the Arbiter's and the Chief's stories. Perfect for someone who has never played Halo before.
Halo 3's opening does not do any of this. It is inferior in terms of content. You hear ominous Cortana quotes, watch the Chief crash, get up and start walking through the jungle. Its ridiculously short and a terrible introduction. It only serves the Halo hardcore like us. If Bungie did intend to make Halo 3's story less complicated then they made a major mistake by not including a proper intro for new players.
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Maybe that's why I like it so much. It doesn't bother with recapping anything or trying to explain stuff, and is able to concentrate solely on delivering a beautiful cinematic.Blueblur1 said:
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Blueblur1 said:I'm playing the role of devil's advocate here just because this thread is a sea of Halo fans.
A sea of Halo fans in a .. Halo thread? Get the fuck out!
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I mean from an artistic standpoint. The music, the dialogue, the words Cortana is speaking right as that one point of light turns away from the other. It's amazing.LAUGHTREY said:
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Plus Cortana is smokin hot!:lol
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I have noticed that about many parts of the game, i.e. the level Cortana. It's one of my favorite levels, now, from a story standpoint.the disgruntled gamer said:
I always thought that there was something weird about you.Blueblur1 said:
Yeah, when you first get the game you're trying to get through it and be able to have informed complaints about it for your friendly local message board, as well as play multiplayer without feeling guilty.Cocopjojo said:
But when you play through a few more times, you explore the levels and all that, and Cortana is actually a very compelling level, one of the most interesting ones in the game.
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