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[Grecco]

I couldnt even fathom playing L4D vs without talking to my teammates


most of the time my team is 2 of my friends irl from my friends list in party chat where we make fun of whoever is in the 4th slot playing in our team.... :lol Unless its just all 4 from my friends. But i couldnt even consider playing the game and not talking

 

[Keylime]

Oh I will. Just point me to the nearest CS tournament and I'll tell them. And I'll record the whole conversation. Then I will put it on Youtube.

Fun times.

Don't tell them via your words though. Make sure to pre-record your hate and send it to them via keybinds in game.

Talking to them would only make you a hypocrite!

CS is a lot different than L4D. Plus, tourney CS players aren't using the mic every 2 seconds.

Are you people seriously trying to defend not using a microphone IS BETTER than using a microphone?

Is everyone really this dumb? I didn't say you needed to be using it 24/7...but having one is better than not having one. Simple as that. I'm 100% correct.

 

[Teknoman]

Versus, sometimes its better to work off "instinct" or just pure reaction when being an infected. Survivor team however, sometimes its alot better to mic/type communicate.


That and it's just alot more fun and ties the team together more (for me anyway) when you communicate. Headset or otherwise. I end up using a combo of all 3.

 

[Suburban Cowboy]

whenever I hear pugs mention a strategy over the mic in versus, that strategy is god awful.

IE telling infected to not spawn until survivors are to the hole in No Mercy 1

And can you nubs please stop spawning either a mile behind or a mile ahead with the boomer?

 

[PillowKnight]

Wrrrrrrrrrong-a-rama!

Tell tournament CS players that they are all n00bs and that their microphones are useless Dax! DO IT!

This isn't CS though. The comparison is inherently flawed, because you can't see your opponent's/allies' outline in CS. Knowing a person's position is very important, so in this case mics are invaluable, not so in L4D.

The reason mics are mostly useless in L4D is because timing is so damn important. By the time you get yourself to say "Pounce X" the time window in which this pounce is useful has already passed.

 

[The Storyteller]

I pounced and killed him, then said "die you stupid fucking annoying piece of shit" and left the game. I will not ever play a game with him again. He is not good people, he is not funny, he's an annoying purposeful griefer.

I laughed so hard when I read that.
The voice spamming was funny for like a minute, then it got old, however it never annoyed me (I did stay till the end of the game after all) If people are gonna get annoyed though then it's probably best to stop that shit because having half the people leave out of annoyance isn't fun or fair to everyone else.

 

[The Librarian]

Are you people seriously trying to defend not using a microphone IS BETTER than using a microphone?

I am... But I am doing a bad job purposefully to make sure that everyone knows that my support is sarcastic at best.

 

[Keylime]

Versus, sometimes its better to work off "instinct" or just pure reaction when being an infected. Survivor team however, sometimes its alot better to mic/type communicate.

Absolutely. Using a microphone doesn't mean that you can't play instinctively, but surely it means you can be replan quicker or relay information more efficiently.

 

[Sibylus]

The old videos with the old character models kind of make we wince. New models are much better, with Zoey and Bill being kinda equal.

 

[Keylime]

This isn't CS though. The comparison is inherently flawed, because you can't see your opponent's/allies' outline in CS. Knowing a person's position is very important, so in this case mics are invaluable, not so in L4D.

The reason mics are mostly useless in L4D is because timing is so damn important. By the time you get yourself to say "Pounce X" the time window in which this pounce is useful has already passed.

So your opinion is that using a microphone as a communication option is bad? That having the option to use your voice to say something to other people would make the game worse?

I think your opinion is that you can get by without it. My opinion is that while you are correct, you can get by better with it.

I'm right.

 

[Kade]

I use my mic all the time, but mic use doesn't relate to skill. Most people I've played with I haven't had to tell what to do because they aren't idiots and know how to play the game.

 

[Grecco]

Im somewhat baffled at people supporting no mics as infected


even something as stupid as telling your teammates what class you will spawn ass "I got boomer/hunter/smoker" is invaluable. When i play with my friends we always say this.

 

[Suburban Cowboy]

The old videos with the old character models kind of make we wince. New models are much better, with Zoey and Bill being kinda equal.

Zoey is the most poorly designed model.

You have:
Louis, who is a middle class, white collar guy
Bill, who is an old, grizzled man with military experience
Francis, who is a tough outlaw/rebel/miscreant

And then you have Zoey, who's a girl.

 

[Bluemercury]

The old videos with the old character models kind of make we wince. New models are much better, with Zoey and Bill being kinda equal.

Im sorry but the old francis looks much more like a real criminal or whatever.....

 

[Kade]

Im sorry but the old francis looks much more like a real criminal or whatever.....

The child molester kind.

 

[Houston3000]

Using the mic as Infected in Versus is much more important than a mic as the Survivors. If even just one Survivor has a mic than it's all good, if no survivors have mics than their goal is still clear (usually)... get to the checkpoint as quickly as possible while also sticking together and watching each other's back. Infected goals are much more dynamic and complex, as they change with what classes are spawned, who's dead, who's alive, where the survivors are in the level, etc... it changes much more rapidly. In Expert Campaign mode, mics are important, I'd almost say a necessity for the survivors but not as much in Versus.

For Infected, coordinating Boomer attacks, Smoker pulls, or multiple Hunter pounces is a huge huge pain without a mic. The survivors are moving so quickly and the infected are constantly having to keep up and work together to survive. In general people just suck with infected but with a descent team of people who understand how to play the different classes a mic only improves your game. I'll usually leave a game after the first level as infected if no one is talking and I notice crappy Boomers spawning half way across the map.

 

[Grecco]

Using the mic as Infected in Versus is much more important than a mic as the Survivors. If even just one Survivor has a mic than it's all good, if no survivors have mics than their goal is still clear (usually)... get to the checkpoint as quickly as possible while also sticking together and watching each other's back. Infected goals are much more dynamic and complex, as they change with what classes are spawned, who's dead, who's alive, where the survivors are in the level, etc... it changes much more rapidly. In Expert Campaign mode, mics are important, I'd almost say a necessity for the survivors but not as much in Versus.

For Infected, coordinating Boomer attacks, Smoker pulls, or multiple Hunter pounces is a huge huge pain without a mic. The survivors are moving so quickly and the infected are constantly having to keep up and work together to survive. In general people just suck with infected but with a descent team of people who understand how to play the different classes a mic only improves your game. I'll usually leave a game after the first level as infected if no one is talking and I notice crappy Boomers spawning half way across the map.

Survivors in vs still need mics to call out for help. You are going so fast as a survivor you sometimes miss when one of the others gets picked up by a smoker for instance.

 

[Suburban Cowboy]

For Infected, coordinating Boomer attacks, Smoker pulls, or multiple Hunter pounces is a huge huge pain without a mic. The survivors are moving so quickly and the infected are constantly having to keep up and work together to survive. In general people just suck with infected but with a descent team of people who understand how to play the different classes a mic only improves your game. I'll usually leave a game after the first level as infected if no one is talking and I notice crappy Boomers spawning half way across the map.

Mics are only important if the people playing infected suck at the game. Other than that, when I play with friends we almost never talk (about the game) as infected. There is no need to because we all know how to play.

PS it pisses me off when someone in a random server starts telling me what to do when Im infected. If that shit happens, Im typing "kill" in console our next survivor round.

 

[Keylime]

All I'm saying is that a good team can be better with mics. Anyone who says otherwise is clearly wrong.

 

[NotWii]

HEY GUYS, IT'S JUST A GAME, PLAY TO HAVE FUN, NOT TO WIN.

So stop crying about griefers and people not using mics.
Sure griefers can stuff you up on an achievement run, but that's why you do achievement runs in single player or with people you trust.
If it's really a problem for everyone, just votekick them or leave the server.

Using a mic is not necessary to win in L4D, as Survivors or Infected
If you have a mic, you can still use it since the other players can hear you, so you can still co-ordinate, and you can still type when you're waiting to spawn.
If you don't win, so what? BIG DEAL

Personally I can't stand people that take online gaming seriously and get worked up over stupid things.

 

[Teknoman]

Zoey is the most poorly designed model.

You have:
Louis, who is a middle class, white collar guy
Bill, who is an old, grizzled man with military experience
Francis, who is a tough outlaw/rebel/miscreant

And then you have Zoey, who's a girl.

:lol

 

[Keylime]

HEY GUYS, IT'S JUST A GAME, PLAY TO HAVE FUN, NOT TO WIN.

So stop crying about griefers and people not using mics.
Sure griefers can stuff you up on an achievement run, but that's why you do achievement runs in single player or with people you trust.

Using a mic is not necessary to win in L4D, as Survivors or Infected
If you have a mic, you can still use it since the other players can hear you, so you can still co-ordinate, and you can still type when you're waiting to spawn.
If you don't win, so what? BIG DEAL

Personally I can't stand people that take online gaming seriously and get worked up over stupid things.

Mics also make the game more fun when you're playing with friends. Fact.

 

[NotWii]

Mics also make the game more fun when you're playing with friends. Fact.

Hell yeah, I love the mic, it makes the game a much more sociable experience, pointing out silly things to other people playing, etc.
Not discounting mic use, but it's not a big deal if someone doesn't use it.

 

[mattso]

Mics also make the game more fun when you're playing with friends. Fact.

but when youre not mics can make it more annoying

I don't want to be called a fucktard because I chose to rescue someone else first or hear someone screaming because the game isn't going the way they want it to and they're immature as fuck

Overall I agree with mics should be used always but sometimes it can make it less enjoyable

 

[Keylime]

but when youre not mics can make it more annoying

I don't want to be called a fucktard because I chose to rescue someone else first or hear someone screaming because the game isn't going the way they want it to and they're immature as fuck

Overall I agree with mics should be used always but sometimes it can make it less enjoyable

Certainly true, which is why there is the option to quickly and easily mute people who aren't using mics properly.

 

[NotWii]

but when youre not mics can make it more annoying

I don't want to be called a fucktard because I chose to rescue someone else first or hear someone screaming because the game isn't going the way they want it to and they're immature as fuck

Overall I agree with mics should be used always but sometimes it can make it less enjoyable

Moral of the story: People who get angry at you because they want to win the game rather than have fun, SUCK.

I just point out it's just a game and laugh back at them.
Or friendly fire them first XD

Certainly true, which is why there is the option to quickly and easily mute people who aren't using mics properly.

You can do that in L4D?

 

[Twig]

Not discounting mic use, but it's not a big deal if someone doesn't use it.

this THIS

Jesus Christ it's not like anyone's (seriously) saying not having a mic is BETTER. But to outright kick someone just because they don't have it? Bullshit.

Although on 360 I guess that's a more valid argument since you can't type to communicate. I'll concede that much.

(lol pc > 360 confirmed lol)

 

[mattso]

Moral of the story: People who get angry at you because they want to win the game rather than have fun, SUCK.

I just point out it's just a game and laugh back at them.
Or friendly fire them first XD


You can do that in L4D?

I just make it a point to always help them last from then on

I didn't know about that option either.

I need to find some good friends so I can attempt to beat this on expert.

 

[Keylime]

this THIS

Jesus Christ it's not like anyone's (seriously) saying not having a mic is BETTER. But to outright kick someone just because they don't have it? Bullshit.

Although on 360 I guess that's a more valid argument since you can't type to communicate. I'll concede that much.

(lol pc > 360 confirmed lol)

I'm glad you see it my way.

This thread can continue, now that we've established that everyone not using a microphone is selfish or lazy.

Edit:

Spoiler

I'm really not this insane about it, but put your damn headsets on. It's not that hard.

 

[NotWii]

I just make it a point to always help them last from then on

Why even help them?

 

[Twig]

I'm glad you see it my way.

This thread can continue, now that we've established that everyone not using a microphone is selfish or lazy.

Edit:

Spoiler

I'm really not this insane about it, but put your damn headsets on. It's not that hard.

Oh shut up. And get off your high horse, too. Not everyone has a mic, not everyone is in a position to use a mic.

 

[Sibylus]

Im sorry but the old francis looks much more like a real criminal or whatever.....

The old Francis doesn't look like a guy I'd want to save from zombies

 

[Keylime]

Oh shut up. And get off your high horse, too. Not everyone has a mic, not everyone is in a position to use a mic.

Then if you had a 360, we would not be playing together if I hosted the server. I'm sorry.

My points stand, and I'm 100% correct on them, unarguably.

 

[Red Scarlet]

I'm with Amirox on this one, sorry. If you're not willing to be able to communicate with your team in a game that all but REQUIRES coordination and talking, you're getting vote kicked.

If you know how to play the game and have competent teammates, mics are not necessary to win at vs or on expert campaigns. You really don't need to tell people "I'm going to ensnare Francis you guys!". Just pay attention to what the other people are doing, and you can work together fine. On campaign, just turn around and see where everyone is, and there is a musical tone that says when someone gets Smokered/Huntered and Boomer'd.

 

[ToyMachine228]

Played two of the campaigns with a friend tonight, and I'm sad to say that I'm pretty bored of the standard L4D campaigns by now. I'll have to switch back to playing primarily Versus again. Really looking forward to hearing about the DLC! Announce it now Valve! Announce it now!

 

[Keylime]

If you know how to play the game and have competent teammates, mics are not necessary to win at vs or on expert campaigns.

Not necessary, but unarguably an improvement over not having mics.

!!!!!

 

[Red Scarlet]

Not necessary, but unarguably an improvement over not having mics.

!!!!!

They've never been a factor in any of the games I have played, campaign or vs. Maybe it's different on Xbox 360, but the speech wheels do a perfectly fine job for most all campaigns, except where to set up on crescendo events or finales. On vs, it can coordinate, but if you need someone to tell you how to play.........

 

[Keylime]

They've never been a factor in any of the games I have played, campaign or vs.

In a game as dynamic as L4D, there is a plethora of situations that can be improved by having verbal communication.

Hearing a hunter behind a wall is one thing. Having a player tell you that the hunter is low on HP and is hiding behind a table in a specific room is another.

Sure, you don't need to know that kind stuff, but it's more useful to know it than it is not to.

 

[Red Scarlet]

Hunters are always low on HP though. :lol

 

[Pop On Arrival]

Been playing with the same group of people for such a long time now that I feel like I know what they're thinking at any given moment. I don't even remember the last time I've had to type 'help', really.

Also, I'm just too lazy to use my mic. That, and I'm insecure of my voice. ;_;

 

[Keylime]

Hunters are always low on HP though. :lol

Bah...you know I'm right, Red! Deep down in your heart, you know it to be true!

 

[Volcynika]

I like using a mic, but I've played with people that are fantastic without it (like Scarlet). It makes some things fun with what people say, though one reason I like the mic is when everyone gets barfed on and I get pounced, since they can't really tell what's going on, I tell them where to shoot (since it's in a 3rd person view I can tell what way they're facing). But I'm not an asshole and kick people for not having a mic.

 

[Nabs]

Hunters are always low on HP though. :lol

heh, scarlet doesnt need any help with hunters :*(

 

[The Librarian]

Bah...you know I'm right, Red! Deep down in your heart, you know it to be true!

You're never right. Not here, not now!

 

[Keylime]

You're never right. Not here, not now!

I'm up against a tsunami of stubbornry!

 

[PillowKnight]

So your opinion is that using a microphone as a communication option is bad? That having the option to use your voice to say something to other people would make the game worse?

I think your opinion is that you can get by without it. My opinion is that while you are correct, you can get by better with it.

I'm right.

Bad? No. Necessary? Nope. I'm glad we could agree on this.

Also, I'm just too lazy to use my mic. That, and I'm insecure of my voice. ;_;

Your voice is pretty sexy.

My reason for not using mics is because listening to people sucks, and talking to people sucks even more. None of you can entertain me more than my music can .

 

[DaFish]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8bUjBGRioU

Gotta try this Tank Sound Pack

Thx Pafyllning

 

[Keylime]

Bad? No. Necessary? Nope. I'm glad we could agree on this.

I kind of want to have makeup sex right about now...just throwing that out there...

 

[Red Scarlet]

Bah...you know I'm right, Red! Deep down in your heart, you know it to be true!

Well, I'm talking about PC, where it has a whole bunch of keyboard say things, and typing should take 5 seconds or less. Isn't the only thing on 360 you can 'say' without a mic the "look" command? On PC, it isn't really a problem on either game mode. I know I don't go "Hey I'm going to Boomer these guys in a second", I spawn up close and barf instantly. That doesn't really need to be planned out, on PC at least. I've won and lost the same amount of matches with no mic people and 3 mic people. Perhaps it is different on 360 if "look" is all you can "say", but if you know how to play the game, one certainly is not a requirement to win or do well, and having one is by no means a guarantee of victory. But we're talking about 2 different versions of the game with different options.

heh, scarlet doesnt need any help with hunters :*(

Were you one of those 3 hunters that took me on at the same time and I killed you all? I fought 2 at once on NM2, melee'd one, killed the other (they were next to each other), then a 3rd showed up after the first one died, and I killed them both too the same way.

 

[NotWii]

The old Francis doesn't look like a guy I'd want to save from zombies

:lol His hair reminds me of a lampshade