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The Official UFC 100 Discussion Thread
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TrAcEr_x90
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my god, whoever the hell is trying to argue Fedor *the destoryer of worlds* skills, doesn't know shit.
SolidSnakex
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People can say what they will about what Brock did, but UFC is leading off another sports show on ESPN (Around the Horn). It's pretty damn impressive.
BamYouHaveAids
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ESPN suggested MMA is fake and scrpited...SolidSnakex said:
SolidSnakex
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BamYouHaveAids said:
I only heard Skip Bayless suggest that. And it's Skip, so you shouldn't expect anything less.
Stoney Mason
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SolidSnakex said:
Really embarrasing they don't fire that guy. Not for this but for the regular littany of dumb shit that falls out of his mouth.
GoutPatrol
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TrAcEr_x90 said:
That is hard to say. Were Silvia and Arlovski proved to be done as fighters because Fedor made them look so bad, or because they were done before that? With BIG TIMMAH, probably, and he showed up looking like a beached white whale. Arlovski, probably not, but everyone knows he has no chin. Looking at his 5 previous opponents after that, everyone knew they didn't stand a chance. Not because Fedor is just that good, but because they were bad.
Fedor is great, but in the UFC, he is really the size of a light-heavyweight, and Brock could just suffocate him for 5 rounds.
GoutPatrol said:
Hong Man Choi is enormous, weighs quite a bit more than Brock even, and basically laid on top of Fedor for most of their fight. Didn't really matter.
Obviously, Brock is superior to Hong Man Choi physically and skill-wise, but Fedor's high-level Judo and Sambo has allowed him to basically have his way with larger opponents (which is almost everyone he faces). Brock might beat Fedor, but he wouldn't "suffocate him for 5 rounds". He'd have a very difficult time with the win. How often do guys even get Fedor on his back? It's happened, but it's not very frequent.
Personally, I'd put my money on Fedor. Brock was submitted before, and other than Big Nog, Fedor is the King Master Fuck of heavyweight submission artists.
SolidSnakex
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Zeliard said:
His entire argument really made no sense. He basically said that because Brock said that shit afterwards that it called into question it's credibility because it was similar to wrestling. Since when has shit talk been a wrestling only thing? It's especially amusing since the general negative attacks on the UFC today have come from people who like to point out that they're boxing fans. The same sport where the most praised boxer (Ali) was the biggest shit talker of all. He even character assassinated Joe Frazier, which is far worse than anything Brock said. But they seemingly forget that part of boxing.
SolidSnakex
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Mir's face was definitely makeup.
SolidSnakex
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TrAcEr_x90
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GoutPatrol said:
Like fedor has never fought someone bigger than Brock? Might have been more of a freak match, but he beat Choi. Fedors ability shines when he capitilizes on opponents weaknesses. He will figure Brock out.
TrAcEr_x90 said:
I think people are also underestimating Fedor's strength when it comes to a fight vs Brock. Fedor's a relatively small heavyweight, but everyone who's fought him who discusses the fight afterwards says that he hits like his hands are made of bricks, and that he is extremely strong when grappling. This is also very noticeable just by watching him fight, particularly his ridiculous punching strength.
Plus, Fedor's grappling is heavily based in Judo, which is all about taking a larger opponent and flipping them on their head by using their own size and momentum against them.
TrAcEr_x90
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Zeliard said:
Sambo is where its at!!
TrAcEr_x90
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dont get me wrong, i think brock is a freak of nature, just a natural athlete. Ive never seen somone explode when they need to like brock. I feel he has been lucky though to finish his fights or lose within two rounds. Can he go the distance with that much muscle packed on? If Fedor chose more of a in and out approach to wear him down a few rounds, he could have his way with brock in the 4th and 5th. Just how i see it.
Steve Youngblood
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Meaning?X26 said:
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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He went the full 3 rounds with Herring and was fine.TrAcEr_x90 said:
mhmhm I was talking about some twitter that was quoted, the guys said it was staged.Fifty said:
http://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/2616259035
Oh and im watching some Fedor stuff in youtube, wow the guy is not only godlike good but he can also absorb some sick punches.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Fedor will destroy Brock and make him look small, but if the match ever happens, I'm pulling for Brock just for the resulting Internet drama bomb if he wins.Fersis said:
Fersis said:
Check out Fedor's fight vs Mirko Crocop. At the time, Mirko was a serious badass and considered the best striker in the world, and he still wanted nothing to do with Fedor in the stand-up for most of the fight (strikes are any sort of kicks, punches, elbows, knees, etc). Mirko was, and I guess still is, mostly known for his crazy left high kick.
Fedor vs Mirko
AKingNamedPaul
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How old is fedor?
AKingNamedPaul
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So fedor is the same age as brock (at worst a year older.)
This is great news, because the only fear I had about fedor was that he was passed his prime, and was just still good enough to beat everyone.
Figured he was pushing 40, so I am all for a fedor vs brock now. Would hate to see a fight where age was a factor, but since it isn't I can feel proud when brock completely breaks him.
I would be rooting for brock, but my money would be on fedor
This is great news, because the only fear I had about fedor was that he was passed his prime, and was just still good enough to beat everyone.
Figured he was pushing 40, so I am all for a fedor vs brock now. Would hate to see a fight where age was a factor, but since it isn't I can feel proud when brock completely breaks him.
I would be rooting for brock, but my money would be on fedor
The reaction if Brock beat Fedor would be ridiculous. People would be really pissed off just due to the massive difference in class and personality between the two. A lot of people at this point want Fedor to come to the UFC just to shut Brock up.
Having said that, I really just want to watch that fight. I think Fedor would win and I would certainly root for him, but I don't think it would be some huge shocker if Brock does manage to beat him, though it would be upsetting to a lot of people.
Having said that, I really just want to watch that fight. I think Fedor would win and I would certainly root for him, but I don't think it would be some huge shocker if Brock does manage to beat him, though it would be upsetting to a lot of people.
Steve Youngblood
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It would be fun to watch. Brock winning wouldn't even be THAT big of a deal, though. It would just prove two things:
1. Brock really isn't just some big joke who's gotten completely lucky.
2. Sometimes the most technically skilled competitor doesn't always win.
Neither should really be in doubt, though.
1. Brock really isn't just some big joke who's gotten completely lucky.
2. Sometimes the most technically skilled competitor doesn't always win.
Neither should really be in doubt, though.
Fedor is amazing, so is Torres, GSP, Silva, etc.
Thing is nobody is invincible and some people in this thread seem like they are forgetting that. If Fedor fought ten times in UFC someone would take it to the decision, come close to beating him, show up a weakness or even perhaps take him down.
Thing is nobody is invincible and some people in this thread seem like they are forgetting that. If Fedor fought ten times in UFC someone would take it to the decision, come close to beating him, show up a weakness or even perhaps take him down.
Steve Youngblood said:
Didn't the Frank Mir fight basically prove the 2nd?
I think it needs a caveat, though. Not every guy is as large, powerful and quick as Brock (in fact, nobody in MMA is), so he's going to end up beating a lot of strong technical fighters mostly due to the differences in those areas. I don't think it necessarily proves that the most technically skilled competitors don't always win, but rather that the most technically skilled competitors don't always win vs Brock Lesnar.
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