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The Official UFC: The Ultimate 2008 Discussion Thread

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Boogie

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The UFC is closing out 2008 with a bang. On December 27th, the UFC will be holding its traditional end-of-year event, and they're pulling out all of the stops with two title fights and a classic grudge match.

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First, the prelims:

Antoni Hardonk (7-4) vs. Mike Wessel (6-0)

Hmm, dangerous, though one-dimensional striker versus undefeated no-namer. I got Hardonk by KO.

Pat Barry (3-0) vs. Dan Evensen (10-3)
Hmm, undefeated no-namer versus that guy who's only known for looking like shit before being KO'd by Check Kongo. Umm, I pick Barry by who-the-hell-cares.

Ryo Chonan (15-8) vs. Brad Blackburn (12-9-1)

Chonan's a name, mostly for his shocking submission win over Anderson Silva way back in 2004. Other than that, his career has been lackluster. But by virtue of having no idea who Blackburn is, I'm picking Chonan.

Matt Hamill (4-2) vs. Reese Andy (7-2)
Hmm, tough one. Haven't seen much of Andy. I'm going with Hamill.

Yushin Okami (22-4) vs. Dean Lister (11-5)

This is an interesting matchup, but unfortunately also one that I can see being a contender for most boring fight of the night. Okami is known for being a slow starter, and Lister is known for being so one-dimensional that he has to resort to pulling guard in almost every one of his fights.

I'm thinking Okami takes this by decision. Will it be worth watching? That I don't know.

Next, the main card:

C.B. Dollaway (7-1) vs. Mike Massenzio (11-2)

Don't care. Don't know how this got on the main card. I haven't watched TUF for the past few seasons, so I don't give a damn about Dollaway. And even though I know I've seen Massenzio's fight against McFedries, I don't seem to remember it. Ah well, I'll go with Massenzio.

Mostapha Al Turk (6-3) vs. Cheick Kongo (12-4)

Kongo has been very disappointing in his UFC career, so far. He seems to have all the potential in the world, but just fights....stupid. He doesn't play to his strengths. Still, I think this fight is a gimme for him. Kongo by KO.


Okay, now that all of that is over with, time for the fights that matter.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson (28-7) vs. Wanderlei "The Axe Murderer" Silva (32-8)

A battle of former champions. Rampage, the former UFC Light-Heavyweight champion. Wanderlei Silva, the former longtime Pride Middleweight champion.

And, of course, the two have battled each other twice before. And while both fights started out competitive, both ended the same way: with Silva utterly brutalizing Rampage.

Now, many things have changed in both of their careers since then. Silva was KO'd by Dan Henderson, while Rampage beat Henderson. Rampage KO'd CHuck Liddell, while Silva lost to Liddell by decision. But will the ABC theory of MMA finally prove itself? I'm thinking not.

The most compelling aspect of this fight is the psychological. We all know that Rampage went on a, well, rampage in his truck (something about him being psyched out crazy, watching The Secret, and thinking he had to rush across town to save a friend, or something similarly whacked). Then there's the fact that Silva has the psychological edge of having utterly owned Rampage twice before. And the fact that Silva is training at Xtreme Couture, while Rampage is training in that hotbed of MMA expertise.....England.

In short, here's how a poster at Bloody Elbow summarised the psychology of the fight:

Rampage is probably at home thinking.. "how the hell am i gonna beat wanderlei???"

Wanderlei: "Oh its the 27th today?? time to smack my btch up"

Yeah....my money's on Wanderlei by KO.


UFC Interim Heavyweight Championship Bout:
Frank Mir (11-3) vs. Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira (31-4-1)


Here's a battle of two of the best heavyweight submission artists in the sport. Unfortunately for Mir, I believe that Nogueira nonetheless has a significant edge in that area. I don't see Mir having any chance of submitting Nog.

In fact, I'm not sure Mir can hold a candle to Nog. Mir has decent standup, but I believe Nog's is better. Nog's jiu-jitsu is definitely better, and for damn sure his cardio trumps Mir's.

I think Mir's wrestling is probably better, and there lies his only chance to win, playing the top game, and Ground and Pounding (/lay and praying) his way to victory (see: Nog/Rodriguez way back in 2003, even though Nog was given the nod in that fight)

But to be honest, Nog has seen it all, and even though, in my opinion, his best days are behind him, I think he's going to beat Mir. Not sure he'll submit him, maybe in the later rounds once he's completely outworked Mir.

UFC Light-Heavyweight Championship Bout:
Forrest Griffin (16-4) vs. Rashad Evans (12-0-1)


Who would have thought, nearly 4 years ago when TUF started, that two winners of the show would be facing off for the UFC championship?

But that's where we are. Forrest has become the definitive linear LHW champion by besting both Shogun and Rampage, and I believe he will come out the victor here. Forrest's advantages are his heart and work ethic. He is known for being an incredible worker in the gym. He is also with one of the best camps in the game. Xtreme Couture has really helped polish his skills. His other advantage is size and reach, and could give Rashad problems. I believe that Forrest's low kicks have the potential to give Rashad tons of trouble. And to round things out, I think that Forrest has the ground skills to give Rashad fits if the fight hits the ground.

Not that I think Rashad has no chance. He's probably the better athlete than Forrest, faster and more explosive, and definitely has more power in his strikes. And he'll definitely have the wrestling edge.

Nonetheless, I think that this fight is Forrest's to take. He has the size, the reach, and the skills to give Rashad his first loss, and that's my prediction. Forrest by decision.


Official event website: http://92.ufc.com/

Hype videos (Courtesy of Asbel):

Videos: Heat-up for UFC 92 with Forrest Griffin & Rashad Evans

Videos: UFC 92 heat-up for Mir vs. Nogueira

Wanderlei Silva vs Quinton Jackson Video- UFC 92 Fight Talk
 

Sinatar

Official GAF Bottom Feeder
Great way to finish of the year, what a card.

My Picks:

Antoni Hardonk vs. Mike Wessel
- Don't know much about Wessel but judging by his record he doesn't go to the ground much, which is where Hardonk is at his worst. If it stays on it's feet I reckon Hardonk takes it via savage leg kickery.

Dan Evenson vs. Pat Berry
- I know nothing about Pat Berry, but I do know that Evenson looked absolutely terrible in his first UFC fight against Cheick Kongo so I'll go with the other guy.

Matt Hamill vs. Reese Andy
- Andy is a good enough wrestler to nullify Hamill's main weapon and I think he's more well rounded elsewhere to take the fight. I think this one is going to be a snoozer, lots of clinching against the cage pushing for a takedown.

Brad Blackburn vs. Ryo Chonan
- Blackburn is an IFL vet whose had a decent run as of late with the most notable wins coming over Jay Heiron and Chris Wilson. While he's improved his game I don't think he has much of a shot against the more experienced Chonan. I think it's going to be a lot closer then a lot of people think though.

C.B. Dolloway vs. Mike Massenzio
- Massenzio is one of the better prospects the UFC snatched from the failing IFL. I think his slick submission game and broader experience will net him the win here.

Cheick Kongo vs. Mustafa Al-Turk
- Kongo has more technical striking then Mustafa but he doesn't pack a lot of power. Al-Turk on the other hand has put away everyone he's beaten in the first round with strikes. Both share the same weakness (ground game) so I expect these two to stand and trade and with Kongo eventually getting caught by some big shot.

Dean Lister vs. Yushin Okami
- Lister's Jiu-Jitsu game is fantastic but unfortunately it's all he has. Okami is far too well rounded to sit in Lister's guard waiting to get subbed, he'll keep it standing and punish him on the feet for a unanimous decision win.

Quinton Jackson vs. Wanderlei Silva
- With all the personal issues Jacksons had of late, plus training at a new camp and having to acclimate himself with that. Hell not to mention he has a possible prison sentence in his future means that most likely he won't be on his game. Wanderlei is going to absolutely savage Jackson, expect brutality.

Forrest Griffin vs. Rashad Evans
- Hmmmm.... This is a tough one to call. Both guys are solid pretty well everywhere. Rashad has the better takedowns, but Forrest has decent submissions which nullifies that. Rashad packs more power in his strikes, but Forrest is more technical and has a broader arsenal of strikes to draw from. In terms of experience they've both faced and beaten a solid roster of top notch talent. There just really isn't anything here that calls out a clear winner. I guess I'll give the edge to Rashad, he packs enough power to land the suprise KO out of nowhere.

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Frank Mir
- Nogueira by whatever the hell he wants. He's got better standup, better jiu-jitsu, better cardio, far more experience against far tougher competition and is a goddamn MMA legend for a very good reason. Mir is fucked.
 

Boogie

Member
BigJonsson said:
Silva
Mir
Forrest

You are going to be very lonely with that Mir pick.

BlackMage said:
I'm rooting for Mir. Yeah you heard me.

Okay, maybe not. :p

Don't get me wrong, I like Mir. (especially that video of him describing how he feels the day before and of a fight) But I think there's almost no chance of him winning.
 

Fafnir

Member
I am actually thinking of buying this PPV as it is so stacked! I'll probably wait to see how it turns out and get the replay if it's as epic as it is on paper. If there was one more good matchup I would have bought for sure but the rest of the fights look like some snoozers.

Quinton Jackson vs. Wanderlei Silva
Rampage coming off a loss, losing his mind, and training with a new unproven English camp...Wanderlei ends this trilogy by destruction.

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Frank Mir
Nog by submission. I really hope Mir does not pull a upset as I want to see Nog vs Lesnar next.

Forrest Griffin vs. Rashad Evans
Really hard fight to pick. Picking Rashad as he fought a couple of months ago and knocked out Chuck, I'm sure he's still on a high after that. I can't wait to see what game plan both of these fighters come out with. Xtreme Couture vs Greg Jackson's camp...should be epic.
 

Brian Fellows

Pete Carroll Owns Me
A good though very top heavy card.

MAIN CARD
Champ Forrest Griffin vs. Rashad Evans - Forrest wont be moving around like a sloth with his hands down and his chin out begging to be hit. So Rashad's stand up probably goes back to looking like shit.

Champ Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Frank Mir - I hate Frank Mir so I'll never pick the douche but I also fail to see where he has any sort of advantage.

C.B. Dollaway vs. Mike Massenzio - Subbing Jesse Taylor is slightly more impressive than subbing Drew McFedries.....but only slightly.

Quinton Jackson vs. Wanderlei Silva - Wandy is a bad bad man. He's just too tough for Rampage me thinks.

Mustafa Al-Turk vs. Cheick Kongo - I hear Al-Turk is like the one guy from the UK who knows how to wrestle. That should be enough to beat Kongo.

PRELIMINARY CARD
Dean Lister vs. Yushin Okami - Watching these two jerkoffs try to strike will be like watching a couple of retards trying to hump a doorknob. Lister probably wont be able to get Okami down and Okami is the lesser of two retards in the striking department.

Antoni Hardonk vs. Mike Wessel - Hardonk by TKO.

Reese Andy vs. Matt Hamill - Hamil by uppercut from the one handed clinch of doom.

Brad Blackburn vs. Ryo Chonan - Chonan seems to be on the downslide. Blackburn has been improving.

Pat Berry vs. Dan Evensen - I cant find shit on Pat Berry. Evensen has actually been in the octagon before and his nickname is the Viking so I'll go with him.
 

surrogate

Member
WAR Forrest

I suppose I would rather see Rampage win so he doesn't have another meltdown. It would be fun to see the reaction of the Pride faithful if Nog loses, but I don't have much confidence in Mir. Hopefully, that cock Dollaway gets KTFO. Don't really care who wins the rest of the fights.
 

yacobod

Banned
stealing someone's format from above =D

My Picks:

Dean Lister vs. Yushin Okami
- I think Okami finished Lister in the 2nd round by KO or TKO.

Quinton Jackson vs. Wanderlei Silva
- Wany by mass destruction. See Wand/Rampage 1 and 2.

Forrest Griffin vs. Rashad Evans
- I think Forrest will out work Rashad for a decision win.

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Frank Mir
- Big Nog. He's got better submissions, better striking, and I'm sure he has the better chin. Mir isnt exactly known for his cardio, so I can't see him outworking Nog for a decision win. Nog by whatever he wants.
 
stealing someone's format from above x2

My Picks:

Dean Lister vs. Yushin Okami
- Not too confident about picking a method of victory here, but I'm confident Okami will win.

Quinton Jackson vs. Wanderlei Silva
- This fight will be different than the first two. The cage plays to Rampage's strengths versus Wand. Wand is NOT in Rampage's head. Rampage has talked about their fights in several interviews and in all of the ones I've seen he has some reason for why he lost. I'm not saying they are legit excuses, but he seems to fully believe that he can beat Wand. I think there is a fair chance Wand will win again, but I'm going with Rampage.

Forrest Griffin vs. Rashad Evans
- I think Forrest will out work Rashad for a decision win. I didn't like Rashad much, and I still don't (kind of like T. Sylvia), but I'm enjoying watching his fights more now that he has become more well rounded.

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Frank Mir
- Mir grew on me during this last season of TUF, and I think he's convinced me that he is better than he actually is. I'm going with Nog by Submission after winning in the stand up.
 
Forrest Griffin vs. Rashad Evans
Forrest by unanimous decision or sub.

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
vs. Frank Mir
Nog by decision, unless Mir's cardio fucks up bad and he gets subbed.

Quinton Jackson vs. Wanderlei Silva
Not sure on this fight. If Quinton's mind is in the right place he can win this fight, and even though he's shown no real indication that it is, I'm still gonna pick him.

C.B. Dollaway vs. Mike Massenzio
Who cares, C.B by decision or something.

Cheick Kongo vs. Mustafa Al-Turk
Cheick, if he plays to his strengths, which he probably wont.
 

Asbel

Member
Boogie said:
Yeah, the working world has made me a busy man.
Good to see you around.

I'll just steal Fellows' format and rant some.

MAIN CARD
Champ Forrest Griffin vs. Rashad Evans - Very close fight here. I really don't know who to pick. Rashad just killed Chuck Liddell. I mean killed him dead. I think Griffin may have better technical striking (Rashad did outstrike strikers before) but he doesn't have great power or a great chin. Forrest does have good composure from a knock down or as good composure as one could have for being knocked down (see Rampage fight 1st rd). Also, I don't think Forrest can sub Rashad from the bottom and neither guys are going to gas. I see the most likely scenario for Forrest raising his hand is by keeping the fight standing long enough to out point Rashad for the decision. Rashad could ground and pound (hopefully not lay and pray) his way to a decision victory or get another crazy highlight KO outta nowhere again. So yeah, I actually do think the style matchup is in Rashad's favor but I've said that I'll favor Forrest over anyone at LHW so my pick is Forrest.

Champ Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Frank Mir - Wouldn't it be some shit if Mir pulls out the victory here? lol. I agree with some of the interviews that have Mir with the advantage early (he's bigger) but he'll gas. Dude is way too nervous. I actually don't think Nog's jits being better than Mir's is a given and don't see Nog subbing Mir until Mir is gassed out. I do know Nog has better striking, cardio, chin and heart so this should be his fight. Could also be an interesting match on the grounds since Mir is rather aggressive with subs.

C.B. Dollaway vs. Mike Massenzio - The main reason I watch Tuf these days is because it makes fights with Tufers much more interesting. I skipped Danzig's season and can hardly be interested in seeing his fights, let alone anyone else from that season. CB is a douche but his talents makes his potential as a fighter intriguing. Kinda like Diego Sanchez, I wonder how far he can go up the ladder. Man, CB is on his second fight since his finale and Amir hasn't fought since yet, wth. Only caught a few IFL shows so don't really know Massenzio.

Quinton Jackson vs. Wanderlei Silva - I don't know who to pick here either. Fight could go easily either way imo. I'm predicting a 3 round war that we're all gonna say we wished was 5 when it's all over. Well, we're sure to get a huge brawl from these two and both of their faces are gonna look uglier than their baby pictures after the fight. Jackson has a better chance to win this fight in the UFC thanks to the rules. He should have no problem taking Wand down and gnp to a decision victory. I don't think he'll do that though. I don't think he'll fight the smart fight. He's gonna try to slug it out against Wand. He wants that KO. He wants revenge. He wants to enact murder on the guy that murdered him. I honestly want Rampage to win this one just so we can get Rampage/Silva 4 and 5 in the future.
 
I only pick the main cards.

Have a feeling this will be a boring fight as the new Forrest is far more tactical and Rashad tends to have pretty boring matches outside of fluky knockouts. Honestly it could go either way. I'll go with Forrest with a tactical win if he fights like he did against Rampage. 5 round decision.

Forrest Griffin vs. Rashad Evans

Unlike Nearly everyone I think this will be an entertaining and interesting matchup that will be closer than people expect but I'll play it safe and go with Nog with the submission victory.

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Frank Mir

Should be a wonderful fight. Brawler versus the Boxer. Coin flip but I'll take Rampage.

Quinton Jackson vs. Wanderlei Silva

Dollaway. I think he's a good multi-faceted young fighter. As long as he doesn't get overly aggresive I like him.

C.B. Dollaway vs. Mike Massenzio

Who cares. Cheick Kongo if I have to pick anybody.

Cheick Kongo vs. Mustafa Al-Turk
 

Eggo

GameFan Alumnus
Nog by RNC in the third, after Mir gases.

Rashad by flash KO. He is too fast for Forrest and will refuse to engage. He's going to stick and snooze until landing a big shot. If Jardine can KO Forrest, I believe Rashad can do it too.

Rampage by KO. I know some people are thinking that Rampage is mentally weak, but I think it will be the opposite. The reckless driving thing should not be a factor. I heard the charges were dropped. He was bested the two times previously, but Rampage has gotten better since then and Wanderlei has gotten worse. The only thing that worries me about this fight is not having Juanito in his corner... but in a pre-fight shit talking interview, Rampage sounded very focused. It sounds like he wants revenge badly, and I think he's going to take it.
 

sefskillz

shitting in the alley outside your window
Forrest Griffin (-125) vs Rashad Evans (-105)
Quinton Jackson (+105) vs Wanderlei Silva (-135)
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (-325) vs Frank Mir (+250)
CB Dollaway (-150) vs Mike Massenzio (+120)
Cheick Kongo (-350) vs Mostapha Al Turk (+275)
Yushin Okami (-325) vs Dean Lister (+250)
Antoni Hardonk (-360) vs Mike Wessel (+280)
Matt Hamill (-500) vs Reese Andy (+300)
Ryo Chonan (-200) vs Brad Blackburn (+160)
Pat Barry (-215) vs Dan Evensen (+175)

Definitely some money to be made on this undercard. Al Turk and Reese Andy are tempting dog plays.
 

Hitman

Edmonton's milkshake attracts no boys.
my predictions:

NOG by Submission... MAYBE Mir by split decision - This is a harder match to predict than I thought it would be. After watching some of Mir's past fights its hard not to be impressed by his submission skills. He has very strong subs, but I just don't see Nog falling for any of it. On the other hand, it's hard to see Mir falling to a sub either, but Nog always finds a way to win if not facing Fedor. I don't see Mir being able to knock Nog out, if Fedor, Crocop and Sylvia couldn't do it, Mir has no chance. So in this ground war its gotta goto Nog... BUT if Nog does not hit that submission it could easily goto Mir in the decision because of how much Nog takes a beating in his fights... tough to call.

Griffin by Decision or late round TKO - I've never thought Forrest had much skill but the guy's got a head made of granite. Seems like nothing can stop the dude. Even in his TKO loss to Jardine, after the ref stoppage he got right back up. I see Evans hurting Forrest cause Forrest does leave himself open to get hit alot, but I don't see Evans finishing him. This will most likely be a war of attrition and Griffin never gives up. Evans does have some KOs but the majority of his wins goto decision. No way he takes a decision over a work horse like Forrest.

Wandy by TKO - Wandy brutalized Chuck 2 times before. After Wand's rape choke KO over Jardine in his last match its hard not to expect the old Wandy back for this one. Chuck on the other hand I've never totally bought into, sure he's exciting at times and is entertaining, but I've never seen him fight at a level where I thought this guy could be an undisputed LHW champ. Plus if you watch any of the interviews or watch Dana's blog showing Chuck, it really does look like he's scared. And that could spell disaster for him, if he goes in against Wandy timid he'll get destroyed. In any case, I really do hate this match up, I hate seein Pride guys beat on eachother, I mean it seems pointless, this match already happened twice before, I'd rather see how they'd do against new competition.
 

Brian Fellows

Pete Carroll Owns Me
Hitman said:
Wandy by TKO - Wandy brutalized Chuck 2 times before. After Wand's rape choke KO over Jardine in his last match its hard not to expect the old Wandy back for this one. Chuck on the other hand I've never totally bought into, sure he's exciting at times and is entertaining, but I've never seen him fight at a level where I thought this guy could be an undisputed LHW champ. Plus if you watch any of the interviews or watch Dana's blog showing Chuck, it really does look like he's scared. And that could spell disaster for him, if he goes in against Wandy timid he'll get destroyed. In any case, I really do hate this match up, I hate seein Pride guys beat on eachother, I mean it seems pointless, this match already happened twice before, I'd rather see how they'd do against new competition.

Well I think you got the winner right but you're a little off on the loser. :D
 

smurfx

get some go again
Forrest Griffin vs. Rashad Evans

Frank Mir vs. Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson vs. Wanderlei "The Axe Murderer" Silva

Mostapha Al Turk vs. Cheick Kongo

Yushin Okami vs. Dean Lister

alright those are my picks.
 

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
Excited for Quinton vs Wandy for sure, and Nog vs Mir should be interesting. Bring it on.
 
sefskillz said:
Forrest Griffin (-125) vs Rashad Evans (-105)
Quinton Jackson (+105) vs Wanderlei Silva (-135)
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (-325) vs Frank Mir (+250)
CB Dollaway (-150) vs Mike Massenzio (+120)
Cheick Kongo (-350) vs Mostapha Al Turk (+275)
Yushin Okami (-325) vs Dean Lister (+250)
Antoni Hardonk (-360) vs Mike Wessel (+280)
Matt Hamill (-500) vs Reese Andy (+300)
Ryo Chonan (-200) vs Brad Blackburn (+160)
Pat Barry (-215) vs Dan Evensen (+175)

Definitely some money to be made on this undercard. Al Turk and Reese Andy are tempting dog plays.
Where are you getting those odds? I'm thinking of laying out a bet on Rampage and Reese. I just don't think Wanderlei is anywhere near the top of his game, and although Rampage looked poor in his last outing I'm confident Rampage can outstrike Wanderlei, especially since he has seemingly abandoned the clinch entirely.
 

Boogie

Member
Asbel said:
Forrest can't be throwing leg kicks. He'll be taken down.

Disagree, but even so, I don't think that should worry Forrest. He'll probably have the best bottom game of anyone Rashad has ever faced, and I think Forrest will have a good shot at subbing or reversing Rashad.
 

op_ivy

Fallen Xbot (cannot continue gaining levels in this class)
forrest - guy has a chin, good/great take down defense, good striker, heart and cardio. rashad on the other hand... i just dont see him landing a punch to finish forest and i dont think his wrestling will contol forest let alone offer him opportunities to do real damage. maybe its the fact that i just rewatched the bisping-evans fight last night, but if bisping was able to stuff or quickly escape most take downs, forrest should as well. also, rashad looked VERY tired in the third of that fight, so i question his ability to go 5 rounds.

rampage - despite losing to wandy twice in awesome fashion (from wandy's perspective) i think rampage will pull out a decision here. i think rampage has improved considerably since their last fight while wandy has declined. the only thing that makes this a hard fight for me to pick is rampage's mental state. go went crazy not so long ago, ditched juanito, and has to over come his past losses to the axe murder. no easy feat for anyone. its one of those fights i'm dying to see because it should be entertaining and there is no clear winner. i have to admit, i love wanderlei though, so truth be told, i hope he wins, i just dont think it will happen.

nog - mir is such a super douche. hes like an annoying frat boy that never grew up or matured. his attitude and arrogance is annoying as hell and he'll get tooled by big nog. the 2 guys ground game should nulify each others and i see the fight mostly staying on the feet. nog has better striking, an amazing chin, and will not stop until the fight is over.




also, :lol at using the "rape choke" line. i hope rogan gives us a new classic!
 

Asbel

Member
Forrest should scramble out of being on his back and not fight from his back if he's going to win the decision.
 

sefskillz

shitting in the alley outside your window
"Dana, put my name on the check for knockout of the night." - Silva @ presser

aww snaps
 

mrbagdt

Member
also stealing brians format, hahaha!

MAIN CARD
Champ Forrest Griffin vs. Rashad Evans
I will pick Forrest, but not by much. I think Rashad will come in with a good gameplan, but I don't think it will be enough to win. I think he will fight a lot like Machida by trying to avoid strikes from Forrest and only counter-punching. I predict a snoozer of a decision with both guys sporting small cuts at the end, but nothing impressive.

Champ Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Frank Mir - Anyone that picks Mir is insane. Look at their records and who they have fought in the past and try to tell me Nog is not the correct pick. who is Franks biggest win? other than breaking Timmays arm and beating a very green Brock, Mir has beaten no one of any consequence. I see Nog submitting him with a RNC, 2nd round.... after Mir is cut badly.

C.B. Dollawayvs. Mike Massenzio - i hate CB and will pick against him regardless, but i certainly wouldnt bet on Massenzio.

Quinton Jackson vs. Wanderlei Silva - i can't see a different outcome in the cage than in the ring, but you never know. i am still skeptical about where rampage's head is at, and he is with a new camp now and who knows what he will look like when he shows up. Wandy is still a great 205'er and I will bet he will fight for the belt before the end of 2009.

Mustafa Al-Turk vs. Cheick Kongo - no idea, but Kongo sucks.

PRELIMINARY CARD
Dean Lister vs. Yushin Okami - i like watching lister's pre-UFC highlights, and he is a very good grappler, but i have not seen him bring it into the cage with any success. this is only the second fight for both these guys in 2008- i am picking okami by ko.

Antoni Hardonk vs. Mike Wessel - wessel trains at 'westside fight team', roli delgado from the last season of TUF trains at westside fight team, roli beat an incredibly game john i want to hug you Polakowski, so it is obvious that Wessel should win this fight. yep.

Reese Andy vs. Matt Hamill - andy does not suck, but i think hamill can work it out.

Brad Blackburn vs. Ryo Chonan - chonan seems to suck now. meaningless fight.

Pat Berry vs. Dan Evensen - evensen got so destroyed by kongo that i will pick the guy who does not even exist on sherdogs fight finder. and thats saying something. in case you forgot, evensen was the guy who was introduced as a person who was almost in the olympics for hammer throwing, or something like that. the dude sucks. pick berry.
 

SpectreRT

Member
Forrest Griffin vs. Rashad Evans

I expect a boring match. As much of a nut-hugger of Forrest that I am, he does not have a decisive win over anyone. Even if you include Shogun (who looked awful in his performance) he still does not have any amazing wins. Rashad, on the other hand, has shown incredible stoppages. Granted one over Sean Salmon is not significant, however knocking out Chuck was a big deal.

--- If Rashad does not finish Griffin via TKO/KO in round one, expect a repeat of Rampage/Griffin decision win for Griffin.

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Frank Mir

This will be the fight of the night. Mir finally seems hungry and motivated to revive his career, and Nogueria always puts on a good performance. Cardio will be the real factor here.

By the end of Round 2, Mir will get tired, and start throwing sloppy leg kicks. Nogueria will take advantage of this, and get an easy submission win. I do not see Mir tapping to any arm/leg lock, so expect a choke from Nog, with no tap from Mir. Nighty night.


Quinton Jackson vs. Wanderlei Silva

Their 3rd match will be their worst. The last thing Rampage wants is another knee is his face. Silva does not have the favoritism of the rules in his favor (kicks to downed opponents), or the Judges who pull wrestlers off strikers in the middle of the match.

So long as Rampage keeps his cool, and utilizes a gameplan, he will keep putting Silva on his back and grind him out. Dont expect Page to strike with Silva much, due to psychological fear of another broken nose.

Page via boring GnP LnP decision. No slams in this one folks.

C.B. Dollaway vs. Mike Massenzio

I said it in the beginning, The UFC wants to build Dollaway as a new 'Matt Hughes.' Looks like they are going to feed him a few wins (Forrest Griffin Anyone?). Boring C.B. win via submission.

Cheick Kongo vs. Mustafa Al-Turk

I fall asleep during Kongo's fights. I swear he has the most potential given his size and speed, but he keeps fighting in a safe "Dont Lose" mentality, not a "Lets Win" mentality.

Al-Turk has nothing that stands out either. A win over corroding Mark Kurr is his best accomplishment.

I will go to the bathroom, and let my dogs out, not caring how Cheick Kongo wins.
 

sefskillz

shitting in the alley outside your window
Weigh in results:

Rashad Evans (203) vs. Forrest Griffin (205)
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (246) vs. Frank Mir (251)
Wanderlei Silva (203) vs. Quinton Jackson (206)
C.B. Dollaway (186) v. Mike Massenzio (184)
Mostapha Al Turk (237) v. Cheick Kongo (233)
Yushin Okami (185) v. Dean Lister (186)
Antoni Hardonk (246) v. Mike Wessel (260)
Matt Hamill (205) v. Reese Andy (206)
Ryo Chonan (171) v. Brad Blackburn (170)
Pat Barry (233) v. Dan Evensen (242)

Complete with a nice little shove by Wanderlai.

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dralla

Member
Griffon by decision. Evans is so boring, he'll back-pedal the whole fight, dance around to try and 'entertain' the crowd, but ultimately a boring fight which Griffon takes by UD.

Nog by submission. He's just better than Mirr at BJJ. Mir is not KO'ing him.

Rampage by TKO. Wanderlei has looked like shit in his last 3 fights, Rampage is in his prime. Different rules, different cage, different enviornment, different outcome. the mental state of Rampage and the switching of camps does have me concerned though.
 

Hunter D

Member
I think Rashad will win.

Everyone is picking Silva, but I don't see him winning. The problem Rampage had with Silva was the knees. He has much better trainers now and years to train for situations where he could catch knees so I'm going to assume that he can handle them now. Rampage by ko.
 
God damn! I'm so glad I'm back in time for this thread!

I won't bother giving picks, but I do want to express my complete elation for the event tomorrow. I'm a little disappointed that Wand/Rampage 3 is going down (love both guys and I don't like 3-peats that aren't rubber matches), but from a business sense its great for Dana because the winner instantly becomes your next title contender. I'm sure we'll hear plenty from Rogan and Goldy insinuating that the victor of that battle will likely be facing the Rashad/Forrest winner for the title next year (lets hope sooner than later...fucking reality show).

Also, I'm hoping that the Evensen/Barry fight makes the main card...Evensen isn't as bad a fighter as he appeared against Kongo, but the problem is that Barry is a devastating striker in his own right (K1 pedigree) and it could make for more fireworks at Evensen's expense. Anyway, it has a chance at getting slapped in between other bouts, so here's hoping.


Oh and let me extend a GIANT fucking rolleyes to Dana for his little intervention to break up the Wand/Page fracas. The only thing keeping him from getting tossed aside in that scuffle would be the fact that he signs the checks. L-O-L.
 

SnakeXs

about the same metal capacity as a cucumber
Hunter D said:
I think Rashad will win.

Everyone is picking Silva, but I don't see him winning. The problem Rampage had with Silva was the knees. He has much better trainers now and years to train for situations where he could catch knees so I'm going to assume that he can handle them now. Rampage by ko.

That's what people were thinking about Rich his second time, too.

Just saying.
 

sefskillz

shitting in the alley outside your window
Ned Flanders said:
God damn! I'm so glad I'm back in time for this thread!
Well, I'm glad Ned decided to grace this thread with his presence before going and getting banned again :lol
 
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