If anything, today has shown me how immature most of these gaming sites are. I haven't taken game reviews seriously in years and I definitely won't start any time soon with the stuff I've seen today. They have valid criticisms and that is fine, but there is alot of unprofessional trolling going on just for the sake of getting views/clicks.
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The Order: 1886 |OT| Gears of Yore
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Because I can afford to? The premise is highly intriguing, RaD's pedigree with making great games, and I want a cinematic experience. and I've never really listened to reviews - hell, I even liked Lair. I'm also downloading it, so no trading it in.
PensivePen
Member
This is an absolutely ludicrous statement. A game deserves to be judged on the quality of the experience it provides, not the amount of work that went into it.
Because we can?
As a Valentine's present and GCU and $10 BB certificate, I'm still going to purchase it. Opinions Are Like Buttholes, Everyone's Got One.
I got my copy and will play it tonight. Woke up to a 5000+ post review thread, 3k more than I had imagined. The controversy has made this game a lot more popular than it would have been if was just a mediocre shooter lol.
I plan to sell it after completion, like I do with almost all of my other singler player games. If I like it, I guess it's a bonus. If not, then at least it's a 9 hour platinum trophy lol
I plan to sell it after completion, like I do with almost all of my other singler player games. If I like it, I guess it's a bonus. If not, then at least it's a 9 hour platinum trophy lol
TrojanBlade
Member
But but ... you know its cool to shit on linear, story heavy, cinematic games these days and they have no place...and they should be judged against open world games. In fact all games should be open, non-linear, multiple endings, co-op, horde-mode and a MP. Then and only then its worth playing.
Yeah I know this game is not a 8 or a 9, but its not a 2 or 4 or 5 either. One of things I liked about an old magazine Zzap64 was that, they would have at least three staff opinions for every game. That way you can get opinions of people who like different kinds of game/genre instead of someone who is biased towards one kind of game/genre.
Anyways, its a brutal day for RAD. And I think most of knew this was coming but not at this level.
Absolutely...these reviews are made sensational for more clicks rather than being more professional.
DarkLordMalik
Member
I don't really expect anything. It is just that... they were obviously busy with the press and all right down to the last minute. We were getting new interviews left and right. So I thought maybe there was a new interview and maybe some journalist had asked them such a question. I guess not.
Examples? They're far from being as immature as the defenders of this title pre-review thread.
I understand if you want to support the developers, but "because I can afford to" isn't a reason.
Regardless of whether it's good or bad, you can get the whole experience from renting it for maybe 2 nights. If you just want to support the developer, that's fine.
Regardless of whether it's good or bad, you can get the whole experience from renting it for maybe 2 nights. If you just want to support the developer, that's fine.
Krusenstern
Banned
For one I'm just a damn graphics whore and I have no problem admitting this.
Secondly it's a third person shooter which is said to have very good gameplay mechanics and I'm mostly open to good 3rd person shooters, since that's my second most favourite genre.
And lastly the game is set in a steampunk victorian London setting which I'm also not averse to.
Throw that toghether, add in the fact that I'm starving for a nice shoot bang since The Evil Within's release last Oktober and here you have me pre-ordering this game.
Ah you come in a OT about this game and asked this question?
What people do with their money is their business.
Yeah, I don't get the "negativity" which borders on just plain insulting at times.
I am not going to purchase this game. I was excited for this game. All I feel is disappointment that it didn't turn out to be a good game from impressions, or what I had hoped it would be. But I won't be coming into the OT to constantly trash talk it.
I am not going to purchase this game. I was excited for this game. All I feel is disappointment that it didn't turn out to be a good game from impressions, or what I had hoped it would be. But I won't be coming into the OT to constantly trash talk it.
SlasherJPC
Banned
The very sites that promote folks in the gaming community to act better towards each other, do the same thing that makes folks fight, bicker, and talk more trash. Very unprofessional. Have an opinion, don't act like an asshole. There is cleary a difference. Especially when your so ingrained in the internet, think before you tweet.
SolidSnakex
Member
Sure it is. It's their money and they don't need to justify what they buy to anyone.
bananafactory
Banned
Because the game genuinely looks good to me. I imagine it might be something I play through every 6-12 months just for the ride, assuming the story is enjoyable (which seems to be a point of contention).
I also get a lot of joy out of photo mode, so that'll give me good incentive to run through it again after and spend lots of time taking pretty pictures. Might sound dumb but hey it's my goddamn money.
Of course the game may end up being a massive disappointment to me, entirely possible, in which case I'm sure I'll trade it in. But as long as I have fun with it I'll probably keep it for a while.
Can you cite specific examples? Keep in mind that reviews are opinion pieces. They're not designed to provide purely objective analysis. This is true for reviews for just about every creative medium out there. Music. Books. Movies. Games. Critics aren't supposed to tiptoe around their opinions to avoid hurting the creators' feelings.
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Deleted member 80556
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From IGN courtesy of the review thread.
Yea
Fuck, I was taking reviewer's word with respect, I can't anymore.
Because people want to support the developers?
Crimson_Gold
Member
Some people are collectors. Some people don't want to have to return it to a Redbox or gamefly. Other people may actually like the game and choose to replay sections of it whenever they choose. I bought it digitally because I never trade games and I am interested in seeing the video game medium expand further through offering more experiences. Want to know why? Because I can afford to....
The Kotaku review and those tweets from the last few pages, the image IGN posted on their facebook, etc.
Aka things you don't see from journalists / critics in other fields. Just really unprofessional.
bananafactory
Banned
I like owning my games. I want to have it on my shelf so I can pick it up and play it at any time. I haven't rented a game in over 10 years.
WordsintheWater
Member
Personally, I have a bunch of reasons
-Got the collectors edition for 20 dollars cheaper
-Love the premise and world of the game
-One of the sites that I trust with reviews a lot gave it an 8.2
-Love cinematic games
-Find myself playing cinematic story driven games more than once
-Want to support the developers
-Because I have the means to do so
Pretty much. Also, like you said, I also want to support the developer. I want to see more games from RaD in the future, and I absolutely want to see more games from The Order as well.
ArkkAngel007
Member
Honestly, this is the first time I've seen people so adamant about either finding that perfectly acceptable behavior from a trio of 'professionals' or something that should be ignored despite this forum typically taking to task media and industry comments.
Not sure what now makes it a special case.
Either way, it's probably more suitable for the review thread if it wasn't considered all a part of the fun there than here. Understand it can also derail.
I don't know about that. Review thread folks were telling me it's normal in film/music industry for that sort of thing. News to me though.
Hamilton was fine, though liking Rosenburg's comment makes him an enabler.
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So how's it looking for people going digital vs retail in here? I'll be picking it up retail with $25 off via PowerUp Rewards.
Ahh, I can see how that statement could be read the wrong way. Mind you, I'm not saying that The Order does not deserve the scores it's getting, by all accounts it looks like a mediocre game. I'm simply saying that the hard-working people at RaD deserve praise for putting out a finished product, as doing that takes a lot of hard work and dedication.
I never forced anyone to reply. If they want to share they can.
Supporting the developers
Collecting
are legitimate reasons. I was just curious.
FF Seraphim
Member
How can being able to afford something not a valid reason to buy a game? I want the game, I can afford it, so therefore I am going to buy it. Graphics look awesome and I want a decent TPS.
bananafactory
Banned
Ehhh I wouldn't count on it.
Users scores on MC are terrible, they're almost always 1 or 10, either people blindly defending a game or crusaders who haven't played it just downvoting it.
I suspect people will pile on this one and it will probably have a user rating well below that of the critic average.
Just because I can afford to buy a car, that doesn't mean I should do it. I was asking why people would buy over renting it. Wouldn't you get the same experience for less money?
Yeah no difficulty type trophies.
PensivePen
Member
That's fair enough, I don't think the majority of negative opinions of the game are directed at RAD themselves, though surely some people are making posts like that (but from what I've seen it's a very small minority).
WordsintheWater
Member
That whole tweet that's going around, let's be fair and say that Kirk Hamilton wasn't being a douche, he just said he didn't like it very much. The other guy on the other hand was pretty childish in his comment.
My CE hasn't shipped yet, but I'm hopeful it will still arrive tomorrow.
It really saddens me how reliant people are on other people's opinions to determine what they will and will not buy. I guess it's because I haven't found a need for reviews since the PS2 era. Most of the time, I just don't find them very helpful. Generally, they're so full of purple prose and pretentious trappings that any relevant information concerning what the game is actually like to play, or what it does, and doesn't do that is notable is lost in the mire of the writer showing off how "learned" he/she is.
When it comes to game reviews, or even impressions about games, the main things I want to know are:
How does the game control? Are they intuitive? Responsive? Or are they clunky and unwieldy?
How is the presentation? If it is a cinematic game, does it execute those trappings well? Are menus clear and legible? Easy to navigate? Or is the presentation amateur hour? Lacking polish and clarity? Narrative can be added here as well if it applies to the game. How well does the game tell the story it is trying to tell? Is it well executed, like The Last of Us, or weakly executed like Tomb Raider 2013?
How are the graphics? They don't need to be revolutionary, but do the visuals support the tone and atmosphere of the game/genre, and world it's trying to convey? You don't want Silent Hill to look like Super Mario Galaxy, and you don't want The Legend of Zelda to look like God of War 3, is what I'm getting at. Art design, stylistic choices, etc, are also things that would be interesting to note. Look at Okami, a PlayStation 2 game, yet it can still hold its own against some of the most polygon and texture pushing titles of the PS3 and PS4 generations (in particular Okami HD, which at least brings the game to the HD era).
How is the audio? This is a pretty broad category in my opinion, but it covers things like: Is the voice acting quality? Is the musical score fitting of the genre/tone of the game? Is the audio design executed well (think of games like The Last of Us, which has superb audio design).
Ultimately, the observations will be subjective, but at the end of the day, that's all I really want to know of the game. I'm so tired of reading commentary on games that are laced with the same gormless platitudes over and over again. I don't care what you think "Next gen game play" is supposed to be. Or "tired, generic" game play mechanics. Let me be the judge of that. Just tell me what the game is doing, and what you think about them, and why you think the way you do about them. Most commentaries I read on games read like a copy/paste job of the current buzzwords of the generation, whether it be good or bad. I want MEAT in my reviews. And a lot less faux film critic prose. It's an interactive medium. Tell me why the game in question is an effective, or ineffective piece of interactive media. I'll make up my own mind if I should buy it or not.
Then again, I don't need a review to give me even that much. I purchase games based purely on my own interest level. Occasionally, friends will recommend things to me, but I pretty much never base my purchasing decisions on the words of strangers on the internet. Every time I've done that, I've regretted it. Well, except for Persona 4 and Dangan Ronpa. I picked those up on a whim, but after hearing good things about them after being interested in Persona 3 and more games like Phoenix Wright or Virtues Last Reward.
It really saddens me how reliant people are on other people's opinions to determine what they will and will not buy. I guess it's because I haven't found a need for reviews since the PS2 era. Most of the time, I just don't find them very helpful. Generally, they're so full of purple prose and pretentious trappings that any relevant information concerning what the game is actually like to play, or what it does, and doesn't do that is notable is lost in the mire of the writer showing off how "learned" he/she is.
When it comes to game reviews, or even impressions about games, the main things I want to know are:
How does the game control? Are they intuitive? Responsive? Or are they clunky and unwieldy?
How is the presentation? If it is a cinematic game, does it execute those trappings well? Are menus clear and legible? Easy to navigate? Or is the presentation amateur hour? Lacking polish and clarity? Narrative can be added here as well if it applies to the game. How well does the game tell the story it is trying to tell? Is it well executed, like The Last of Us, or weakly executed like Tomb Raider 2013?
How are the graphics? They don't need to be revolutionary, but do the visuals support the tone and atmosphere of the game/genre, and world it's trying to convey? You don't want Silent Hill to look like Super Mario Galaxy, and you don't want The Legend of Zelda to look like God of War 3, is what I'm getting at. Art design, stylistic choices, etc, are also things that would be interesting to note. Look at Okami, a PlayStation 2 game, yet it can still hold its own against some of the most polygon and texture pushing titles of the PS3 and PS4 generations (in particular Okami HD, which at least brings the game to the HD era).
How is the audio? This is a pretty broad category in my opinion, but it covers things like: Is the voice acting quality? Is the musical score fitting of the genre/tone of the game? Is the audio design executed well (think of games like The Last of Us, which has superb audio design).
Ultimately, the observations will be subjective, but at the end of the day, that's all I really want to know of the game. I'm so tired of reading commentary on games that are laced with the same gormless platitudes over and over again. I don't care what you think "Next gen game play" is supposed to be. Or "tired, generic" game play mechanics. Let me be the judge of that. Just tell me what the game is doing, and what you think about them, and why you think the way you do about them. Most commentaries I read on games read like a copy/paste job of the current buzzwords of the generation, whether it be good or bad. I want MEAT in my reviews. And a lot less faux film critic prose. It's an interactive medium. Tell me why the game in question is an effective, or ineffective piece of interactive media. I'll make up my own mind if I should buy it or not.
Then again, I don't need a review to give me even that much. I purchase games based purely on my own interest level. Occasionally, friends will recommend things to me, but I pretty much never base my purchasing decisions on the words of strangers on the internet. Every time I've done that, I've regretted it. Well, except for Persona 4 and Dangan Ronpa. I picked those up on a whim, but after hearing good things about them after being interested in Persona 3 and more games like Phoenix Wright or Virtues Last Reward.
Krusenstern
Banned
Ah, okay.
I never rented games because I would rather own them. Simply renting a game instead of buying it never occured to me because most of the time I'm sure what I'm getting into when I want game A or B.
When I'm not sure I would like a game I simply not buy it at all or wait for a much lower price. But in The Order's case I'm pretty sure I will end up liking and even replaying whenever I have the urge.
Bl4ckSunsh1n3
Member
Because I have a toddler and any disc that comes into my house gets mangled. I bought it digitally because I buy everything digitally until the terrible twos have subsided.
I support things I like, I would imagine you do the same. Unless you never buy anything.
bananafactory
Banned
You're missing the point.
People buy things because they want to own them. That's really all there is to it.
I only rent games i'm not very interested in playing. Most games i can decide if i'll buy them from the moment they are revealed.
That is the case with The Order, no matter what reviews are saying, the game is not broken, what is boring to some can be exciting to me. I like putting money into the developers pockets. That means i can get more of the games i enjoy.
Yeah, my opinion pretty much. Hell I enjoyed my playthroughs of Killzone Shadowfall and Thief, which were both painted as trash by a lot of people
ricardo_sousa11
Member
It has been what 4 months since the game is broken on the MP !? What would you do if you bought a game mostly to play MP and it didnt work ? give it a 1 !
As people have said, this game isnt broken, at all ! and it received less score than totally broken and unfunctional games, that is quite sad, also the "jokes" and lack of professionalism on the reviews are really off putting.
This could be applied to any game, no? Renting games that I want to play always seemed like a waste for me as I am paying money for having a limited time with a game instead of just forking out the money to have the game so I can play it indefinitely and whenever I wanted. Renting has always been reserved for games that I really have no interest in, but have heard good things about. In some cases, this caused me to actually purchase a game (such as Borderlands or Red Dead Redemption). Renting has always been a way for me to get a taste of a game that I never really was interested to try, so it is useless when it comes to games that I know I want to play.
I think I may leave GAF, the whole review thread has literally made me not really like this place anymore. It sucks too, because there is actually a lot of awesome people I've met on here. One's who have even helped me with my own game. I just can't take it anymore- I guess this place isn't for me, I just can't join in on all of this cynicism. It's not for me. I like being a positive person, I hate being negative.
Because even if you don't enter the thread, it will spill in to others.
Because even if you don't enter the thread, it will spill in to others.
Giving no money to the devs who have made a game I'm interested in is something I will never do. Same with buying used.
It's more like jerking each other off than high-fiving.
Wattie1980
Banned
to those that have it,are you finding yourself walking into a room,only to just stand there and admire the detail,not wanting to move forward because it just looks so damn good ?
That's why I spend most of my GAF time in the Off-topic section these days. Far less fan-fights and negativity. It's not exempt from cynicism but I don't find it nearly as bad.