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[bananafactory]

The oddest thing to me so far is the discrepancy between the mainstream media and people on here.

Most of the reviews complained that the game was simply not fun. Yet it seemed that despite a few story issues, the majority of people in here actually enjoyed the parts they played.

I'm curious why there's such a divide.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

The oddest thing to me so far is the discrepancy between the mainstream media and people on here.

Most of the reviews complained that the game was simply not fun. Yet it seemed that despite a few story issues, the majority of people in here actually enjoyed the parts they played.

I'm curious why there's such a divide.

I'm more curious as to what the reception among non-GAF mainstream gamers will be.

 

[Portman]

Okay so lesson learned to go with my gut feeling instead of letting the internet freak me out. I decided to wait to pre-order after the stuff at the beginning of the week (I thought it was next week hence why I hadn't ordered already) and now I can't get it for pickup nearby.

I looked on the Gamestop and the appear to still have the Premium Edition in stock for order but that would mean waiting on it and paying for the goodies that I can't find any info on size besides the statue (I'm mainly after the artbook and the vial replica). What do you say GAF: should I get the Premium Edition and wait it out or try to get the regular game and have it to play on the weekend like I was originally planning?

 

[Deleted member 80556]

The oddest thing to me so far is the discrepancy between the mainstream media and people on here.

Most of the reviews complained that the game was simply not fun. Yet it seemed that despite a few story issues, the majority of people in here actually enjoyed the parts they played.

I'm curious why there's such a divide.

I think most reviewers were expecting something else, reflecting on their views. Or they simply didn't like it. I dunno.

 

[Snapshot King]

The oddest thing to me so far is the discrepancy between the mainstream media and people on here.

Most of the reviews complained that the game was simply not fun. Yet it seemed that despite a few story issues, the majority of people in here actually enjoyed the parts they played.

I'm curious why there's such a divide.

I don't know about that. I generally agree with the reviews, though I'm only about 2/3rds in.

 

[Fury451]

You're right. 5 years isn't a rush but something happened to impact development. (I didn't realize it was 5 years...jesus. )

Fully agree. That's a long time. And the reports that the script/story seems like it was "cut down" indicate a budget or over ambition issue with available resources.

I'm sure a good chunk of that dev time was spent building the game engine, which by all accounts looks and runs very well.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Cage's games have gotten profits, we don't know how big the investment was with The Order. But I'm hoping for the best.

Five years sinking into engine costs and such, right?

Ehhhh, it's a heavy investment. Very lavish production. I'm thinking this is the type of thing where they might not see a return here, but a big return on the next one which will likely have much lower overall costs as well as a quicker production schedule

 

[Dawg]

You know what irks me about that review twitter conversation? Kotaku being the site that wrote all those sad layoff stories, often related to games not doing as expected or scoring badly.

To see such a conversation shows to me you have no respect for the people behind this game. No matter how crappy it is, it's unprofessional. I respect the sites that gave this game a 4/10 or similar scores, because we all have different opinions. But do we really need to say stuff like that? I know Kirk only favourited the replies, but still..

 

[bananafactory]

You know what irks me about that review twitter conversation? Kotaku being the site that wrote all those sad layoff stories, often related to games not doing as expected or scoring badly.

To see such a conversation shows to me you have no respect for the people behind this game. No matter how crappy it is, it's unprofessional. I respect the sites that gave this game a 4/10 or similar scores, because we all have different opinions. But do we really need to say stuff like that? I know Kirk only favourited the replies, but still..

It's pretty bad. There's also people saying the studio deserves to be shut down, RAD should be embarassed, etc.

Ridiculous nonsense. They had a vision for a game and they put it out there. The market didn't receive it too well. No one's forcing anyone to buy the game they don't want.

RAD will adapt and deal with the consequences. There's no reason for people to be angry/malicious.

 

[WITHE1982]

Thanks to the very nice (*see extremely naive) people at Tesco's I scored my copy a day early. Will be loading it up later once the kids are in bed. Can't wait to get stuck into this visual feast.

 

[Bollocks]

Holy shit those graphics, really clean look.
It's up there with Killzone can't wait to see what this gen has in store.
A GTA with those graphics, hnnngg

Only completed chapter 1 but I do feel they should have dialed back on the cutscenes

 

[Pro]

Black Bars!? Is this gonna be another Evil Within technical mess?

 

[ArkkAngel007]

Black Bars!? Is this gonna be another Evil Within technical mess?

There's a DF analysis thread.

Answer though is

Spoiler

no

 

[CozMick]

4hrs 6min.

Midnight playthrough HYPE!

 

[PensivePen]

You know what irks me about that review twitter conversation? Kotaku being the site that wrote all those sad layoff stories, often related to games not doing as expected or scoring badly.

To see such a conversation shows to me you have no respect for the people behind this game. No matter how crappy it is, it's unprofessional. I respect the sites that gave this game a 4/10 or similar scores, because we all have different opinions. But do we really need to say stuff like that? I know Kirk only favourited the replies, but still..

I think it's valuable to remember that products are not people, and that saying a game is terrible doesn't mean you think the people who created it are terrible.

 

[Krusenstern]

Black Bars!? Is this gonna be another Evil Within technical mess?

This looks to be a technical marvel actually, with rock solid 30 fps and 4x MSAA.

 

[thebloo]

Five years sinking into engine costs and such, right?

Ehhhh, it's a heavy investment. Very lavish production. I'm thinking this is the type of thing where they might not see a return here, but a big return on the next one which will likely have much lower overall costs as well as a quicker production schedule

You don't usually count the engine cost in the game budget. Engines are expensive and you take that loss over several years, making multiple games on it.

Edit: re-reading your comment it seems we agree.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

I'm more curious as to what the reception among non-GAF mainstream gamers will be.

Probably good enough, it has marketing and there isn't any other big titles they would get around the corner.

Except Evolve I guess.

 

[RPGCrazied]

I'm actually excited to play the game, only really bothered by game length I keep hearing. How long do you guys think this will get a price drop? Really don't want to spend $60 on it.

 

[Hugstable]

Black Bars!? Is this gonna be another Evil Within technical mess?

lol? The Black Bars is like the first thing everyone knew about this game

 

[FunkyPajamas]

Black Bars!? Is this gonna be another Evil Within technical mess?

Black bars do not equal technical mess. Resident Evil 4 was a very solid game, for example.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

Five years sinking into engine costs and such, right?

Ehhhh, it's a heavy investment. Very lavish production. I'm thinking this is the type of thing where they might not see a return here, but a big return on the next one which will likely have much lower overall costs as well as a quicker production schedule

Here's hoping Sony thinks the same, NTGYK.

You know what irks me about that review twitter conversation? Kotaku being the site that wrote all those sad layoff stories, often related to games not doing as expected or scoring badly.

To see such a conversation shows to me you have no respect for the people behind this game. No matter how crappy it is, it's unprofessional. I respect the sites that gave this game a 4/10 or similar scores, because we all have different opinions. But do we really need to say stuff like that? I know Kirk only favourited the replies, but still..

That's something that bothers me of Kotaku, and the reason why I've yet to return the same way I did before. I can count on both hands excellent articles they've written (mostly by Jason), but then you have a lot of articles that seem to try to bury the developers. Fuck, it gets me angry.

 

[JBourne]

I don't have a PS4 so I haven't been paying much attention to this game, but now I'm watching the GB quick look and DAMN. This game is gorgeous. Love the way the guns fire. I also feel like the black bars are find here, whereas I couldn't deal with it in The Evil Within.

Really looking forward to picking this up later down the year, whenever Persona 5 comes out and I buy a PS4.

 

[Korten]

Damn, looks like I was right about this game being bad.

Hoping RAD learns from this and makes a better game next time.

If we're going by the review thread, most gamers selfishly desire for them to not get that chance to make a sequel.

 

[bigdaddygamebot]

Fully agree. That's a long time. And the reports that the script/story seems like it was "cut down" indicate a budget or over ambition issue with available resources.

I'm sure a good chunk of that dev time was spent building the game engine, which by all accounts looks and runs very well.

They made the engine themselves? Crazy. So I imagine that ate up a sizable amount of time. Possibly more than they anticipated and they had to hammer something together around the engine in less time than they had liked...

 

[Drencrom]

Is it just me or did everyone RAD just go dark with media, twitter ect ect

Well it's hardly surprising is it. I'd imagine morale over there is at an all-time low right now.

What the hell did they expect really?

Didn't they get the hint when people online and games journalists have been criticizing them over their abnormal focus on 'cinematics' and the generic gameplay they've shown? Didn't they expect that people might not see value in a game that costs $60 with no replayability or incentives to do so that can be finished in one sitting?

I'm flabbergasted they were so tone-deaf towards criticism and how much they gushed about their 'cinematic quality' and presentation above all else in interviews like they did. Even the game director himself pretty much said actual game mechanics are a second thought and that the story was a top priority (which is painstakingly obvious now).

I do hope RAD will learn from this as I know they're competent people (GoW: Ghost of Sparta was great) and that their next game doesn't go this way.

 

[Lnkn52]

Sony/Playstation take risks all the times. There is no guarantee that these projects are going to be hit/misses.

What makes the company/person is how they overcome failures. I just hope that RAD gets a chance to do so.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Just watched the Launch Trailer.

Eh. I don't think it's edited well. It's kinda blah.

 

[shmoglish]

Only played a few minutes but hell, real life gfx sucks. Can't say much about the gameplay, but Sound and optic are great. World Looks absolutely believable.

 

[Pro]

lol? The Black Bars is like the first thing everyone knew about this game

Yeah i don't know much about this game. I just know a buddy of mine who suggested Evil Within to me is hyped for it. But I am no fan of the 2.40:1 ratio in games. I hope it doesn't become a trend.

Black bars do not equal technical mess. Resident Evil 4 was a very solid game, for example.

Well in the case of Evil Within it was to cover up performance issues at the 16:9 ratio wasn't it? And that's pretty much the only current gen game with the black bars that I know of (until this game).

 

[Northeastmonk]

"Video game journalism"

(Adam is the reviewer from Digital Trends)

It doesn't mean other people wont like it. What about the people who cosplay it or the guy who does the panel for it?

I guess if you like exactly what these people like then that's that. I could get on a soap box about how much I enjoy playing Rush in the arcades and then I go home to play some shooter that someone thinks sucks. I'm still having a good time without all the specifics. I guess it's trendy to agree with other people when it's something like this, but games are games. I'm not listening to the guys who think FF sucks or MGS. If I knew this was some sort of junk title with 1's or 2's then maybe. I get that. I just don't get this sliding scale anymore. One guy whose into a certain type of games or loves story based games thinks this sucks while the dude in Idaho or Europe loves it. I guess it all depends on who you are and where you come from.

If this is like beyond PS2 and Xbox shooter concept 79 then I'm fine with it. Just give me some fun shootouts without putting it in the trash. The latter can go make fun of FF fans or the guys following a certain series in fandom Hollywood. What game is it on anyway Kirk? lol Something by LucasArts or something made by Westwood studios? I'm joking. It's on Street Fighter II Turbo. maybe something from Nintendo

 

[IcyEyes]

"Video game journalism"

(Adam is the reviewer from Digital Trends)

To be honest, such low level isn't that common even between gaming journalist.
I mean, this is straight awful.

 

[Krusenstern]

Can we stop quoting this shit tweet?

 

[Shabad]

For whoever's speaking french, Ru is making a live interview on a french website : http://www.jeuxvideo.com/news/41773...-de-son-parcours-en-direct-de-19h30-a-22h.htm

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

For whoever's speaking french, Ru is making a live interview on a french website : http://www.jeuxvideo.com/news/41773...-de-son-parcours-en-direct-de-19h30-a-22h.htm

But it's en francaise

 

[IcyEyes]

The oddest thing to me so far is the discrepancy between the mainstream media and people on here.

Most of the reviews complained that the game was simply not fun. Yet it seemed that despite a few story issues, the majority of people in here actually enjoyed the parts they played.

I'm curious why there's such a divide.

It's pretty complicated (we talked a lot about this in our office), but in the end people act for their own "convenience" and well, some discrepancy may emerge.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Have the devs said anything regarding the critical reception of the game?

 

[FunkyPajamas]

Well in the case of Evil Within it was to cover up performance issues at the 16:9 ratio wasn't it? And that's pretty much the only current gen game with the black bars that I know of (until this game).

Evil within had issues not because of the black bars or the ratio, but because the development team decided to make modifications to the engine that reflected in the overall performance of the game.

The Order performs so well in part because of the black bars.

 

[OsirisBlack]

IGN posted this on their Facebook page heh.

From IGN courtesy of the review thread.

Yea

 

[jellies_two]

The oddest thing to me so far is the discrepancy between the mainstream media and people on here.

Most of the reviews complained that the game was simply not fun. Yet it seemed that despite a few story issues, the majority of people in here actually enjoyed the parts they played.

I'm curious why there's such a divide.

look at digital foundry they LOVE the game, for the graphical powerhouse that it is. Probably the same for a lot of users here who lets be honest are more biased to discussing graphics flaws than gameplay flaws.

Its overdue to recognise this community for better or worse has a very pronounced focus on the flash and sizzle and less on the steak. Probably a natural result of playing a lot of games. In the end we mostly want to SEE a leap forward. Recognising a gameplay leap is a slower burn especially when the gameplay is not awful just serviceable.

 

[bananafactory]

Have the devs said anything regarding the critical reception of the game?

I don't really recall any devs ever addressing critical reception of their game, unless it was glowing.

They put out their product and the media spoke. Now they'll probably just remain quiet and see what the sales figures look like, as well as how the community responds.

 

[eFKac]

Have the devs said anything regarding the critical reception of the game?

What do you expect them to say?

At best you'll get a PR response that they are disapointed about the reception, they are proud of their work etc.etc.

 

[Seventy70]

nvm

 

[BashNasty]

It is unfortunate that so much of the Internet is reveling in The Order's poor showing. Ready at Dawn is comprised of a whole lot of real people, most of them surely very talented, who worked very hard to put out a finished product. Regardless of the quality of that finished product, the work deserves praise, not derision.

Unfortunately, because The Order is exclusive to Sony's platform, many Playstation 4 owners have firmly hitched their wagons to it. Insecurity runs deep in human nature. Insecurity about how you look, about where you live, about what you like and what you purchase. Did you know that most car commercials are not directed at people looking to buy the car, but the people who have already bought it? The idea is that people need reinforcement about their purchase. Seeing a commercial talking about how great your car is eases worry that you may have made the wrong choice. With video game consoles, exclusives play to the same purpose. If you own a PS4 and only a PS4, knowing that you have access to great games that can only be played on your system eases purchasing insecurity. With that in mind, a lot of gamers didn't just want The Order to be good, they needed it to be good. It's what leads to staunch defense of the developers vision and harsh, often irrational, dismissal of any pre-release criticism.

Unsurprisingly, this rubs a lot of people the wrong way. Blind defense of just about anything is annoying, and what leads to a lot of the posts that seem excited and happy to watch The Order fare poorly on Metacritic. The vitriol isn't really being directed toward Ready at Dawn, they're just caught in the crossfire. Rather, the obnoxious celebrations of poor scores are directed at those who blindly declared The Order a triumph before they even played it. It's unfortunate that even those in professional circles are joining in on the derision, but given the chorus of loud, defensive voices before release, it's not all that surprising. Right or wrong, there's catharsis in watching those who have been perceived as irrational face reality.

 

[Sodding_Gamer]

I can't believe some of the stuff I'm seeing and reading from the reviews if I'm honest. Some of these reviews are so harsh and the trolling surrounding it is just insane to me. Really not needed. I have yet to play the game but still, so unprofessional some of the things I've seen/read. Makes me feel like our hobby of ours has just gone back 20 years.

 

[Wattie1980]

i've only played the first chapter,so can't really comment on gameplay,but the graphics...holy shit,they're the best i've ever seen on console.i'm not one for checking every detail and texture,but i can't stop doing it lol.

like i said i don't know about gameplay yet,but your eyes are in for a treat for those that are getting it.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

From IGN courtesy of the review thread.

Yea

The circus surrounding these reviews is truly on another level. This game has summoned the hate demon from the the fieriest quandrant of hell.

This has to be the only art form that has no room for variation. The desire to give a different experience is treated as a crime. It is symptomatic of several other problems in the industry such as sexism, racism,and etc. You have to open yourself to varying views in order to truly mature. Oh well. IGNorant as ever

 

[Mr. Giggles]

Why are some of you going to buy the game? This is a genuine question. Are you planning on playing it again after you finish it? Why not save money, rent and get the whole experience for less money?

I'm just curious.

I like the setting, I have the income to do so, I enjoy cinematic/filmic games, I like supporting developers who are willing to stick to their vision instead of the vision of the populace..

I could go on but... I think you know where I'm heading

 

[Bl4ckSunsh1n3]

Why are some of you going to buy the game? This is a genuine question. Are you planning on playing it again after you finish it? Why not save money, rent and get the whole experience for less money?

I'm just curious.

Honestly, it's because I have disposable income and I want to experience the environment, the werewolves, the Tesla weapons and the graphics.

 

[ricardo_sousa11]

The oddest thing to me so far is the discrepancy between the mainstream media and people on here.

Most of the reviews complained that the game was simply not fun. Yet it seemed that despite a few story issues, the majority of people in here actually enjoyed the parts they played.

I'm curious why there's such a divide.

I believe we will see a dif. score on "user reviews" on Metacritic. There has been a huge hate on the game from the media for some reason, I go as far to say that if this game was released by Ubisoft and as a Multiplat, it would have scored totally dif. but thats just an opinion.

I will gladly wake up early tomorrow to go pick it up on the store, I know I will have a blast, and then ill trade it for Bloodborne.