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The Order: 1886 |OT| Gears of Yore
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HOLY FUCK AT THE TEXTURE WORK AND GEOMETRY IN THIS IMAGE <The Order spoilers>
Jesus christ it's so beautiful. I want to go on this guided tour!
Yeah, I figured it was PR for that. Still was hoping otherwise!
Yeah, Grounded mode is great.
It's all good banana. For me, the game is too easy in the other difficulties, and because the platforming plays itself if the gunplay isn't challenging the game is just a breeze to get through. I like feeling like I accomplished something when I finish a game, I guess I'm a little oldschool like that.
Jesus christ it's so beautiful. I want to go on this guided tour!
Yeah, I figured it was PR for that. Still was hoping otherwise!
Yeah, Grounded mode is great.
It's all good banana. For me, the game is too easy in the other difficulties, and because the platforming plays itself if the gunplay isn't challenging the game is just a breeze to get through. I like feeling like I accomplished something when I finish a game, I guess I'm a little oldschool like that.
ArkkAngel007
Member
Pretty sure they're already working on a sequel, and that if anything will decide the relationship there if there is a risk.
The Elite
BOSS
Someone earlier mentioned "Somber Uncharted" and on my play through tonight I kept thinking something similar. There is definitely an element of Uncharted to this game. The blend of cinematics with gunplay has that feel to it. Maybe my comparisons to Gears aren't as accurate as a comparison to Uncharted.
I'm really hoping for good sales numbers on this one.
I'm really hoping for good sales numbers on this one.
boredandlazy
Member
Anyone?
Not really. It's just a different rationalization. You could be pro or against it. Developers ultimately decide, not the consumer. For all you know there would of never existed grounded or crushing (if not given the option) and we wouldn't be having this conversation - a conversation that does not exist for many games. No matter which difficulty, "your hands are held" - if that's the rationale it's going to be based of, difficulty levels an individual "prefers".
Sounds good!
The Elite
BOSS
It is a bit blurry.
Factor 5 made the Star Wars: Rogue Squadron games on N64 and Gamecube
brandonh83
Banned
Watching a stream and yeah while there's a lot of cutscenes and some slow-walking sections, the visuals are breathtaking and the shooting looks pretty fun. I think the atmospheric immersion will really add to the enjoyment of what is otherwise a pretty "simple" game.
XxRampage07xX
Member
I wish I could help you, but I don't have this game yet
The Elite
BOSS
Some of the guns you find are fun to play around with.
This is why
For background, Dara O'Briain is a standup comedian, panel quiz show host, occasionally mathematician and theoretical physicist and a gamer. The show is Charlie Brooker's Gameswipe.
I think you misunderstood. We are not talking about the preference of a difficulty level, but the need to lock a difficulty level. There isn't one other than creating an artificial replay incentive.
Don't worry bout it. It's just not worded right. It's really just an option to switch between headphone presets and speakers as opposed to number of output channels.
I understand the point. And I am saying it's both, can be both - not just the incentive (and the strings attached).
SolidSnakex
Member
Which is why it's amusing that Lair was panned when it was literally the Rogue games with dragons. I remember a lot of people wondering how the hell F5 took 15-20m and the chance to make a new IP and churned out a Rogue clone. But I guess it shows how much a license can mean to an IP.
XxRampage07xX
Member
So, is there any chance this game will be another "GAF loves but the press doesn't" game? If so, game review is getting weirder and weirder this gen as it looks like they can't catch up with people's criterion of judging a game's quality.
King Tubby
Member
What is GAF's impression of the storyline, after beating it? From what I read reviewers are mostly not that high on it and particularly
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Let's face it, no matter what score the reviewers gave this game some faction of gamers was going to criticize them over it. It's not like their criticisms are made of thin air. Whether you like this game or not really depends on what it is you value in your games. If the reviewers had largely had positive opinions of it, you would have people criticizing them for putting graphics and QTEs over gameplay etc etc.
A review score is ultimately a reflection of how much a reviewer enjoyed the game and how much they would recommend to their audience/average gamer. If you are not that concerned about a reviewer's personal opinion and care more about whether the game is well-executed and has the qualities that you find important, you are better served reading the text of a review and watching video.
don't like the last few chapters/ending
Let's face it, no matter what score the reviewers gave this game some faction of gamers was going to criticize them over it. It's not like their criticisms are made of thin air. Whether you like this game or not really depends on what it is you value in your games. If the reviewers had largely had positive opinions of it, you would have people criticizing them for putting graphics and QTEs over gameplay etc etc.
A review score is ultimately a reflection of how much a reviewer enjoyed the game and how much they would recommend to their audience/average gamer. If you are not that concerned about a reviewer's personal opinion and care more about whether the game is well-executed and has the qualities that you find important, you are better served reading the text of a review and watching video.
Too soon to call. Gotta wait a few days at least to see how it shakes up.
Haha! That was hilarious! But seriously, he couldn't get past the berserker?! :/
pharmboy044
Member
It didn't help that the flying was only sixaxis based when it was first released. If they could have used traditional controls, I'm sure it would have reviewed better.
I think the game definitely works best playing on hard. The encounters are relatively straight forward, but still an okay challenge and can get pretty intense with the audio/visuals. That being said, it's a real "set piece" game that doesn't give the player a lot of agency in what you can do. There are a lot of areas that just involve walking around and admiring the world that RAD have built, which is amazing to look at and get absorbed into. I think atmosphere wise the game's on par with TLOU. But again, the game is very point A to B, shoot guys, admire setting, B to C and so on.
I also haven't really seen any quicktime events like people are saying. They're certainly in there, but a lot of it seems to be environmental cues rather than insta death combat stuff (apart from grenades, but there's more to those than "press X to not die").
Anyway, I think it's a really cool and absorbing game, but I can see why so many people have a problem with it. There aren't many mechanics involved, and it doesn't do much interesting with what's there. But I'm a sucker for world design so I'm enjoying it. So far at least, toes crossed.
I also haven't really seen any quicktime events like people are saying. They're certainly in there, but a lot of it seems to be environmental cues rather than insta death combat stuff (apart from grenades, but there's more to those than "press X to not die").
Anyway, I think it's a really cool and absorbing game, but I can see why so many people have a problem with it. There aren't many mechanics involved, and it doesn't do much interesting with what's there. But I'm a sucker for world design so I'm enjoying it. So far at least, toes crossed.
brandonh83
Banned
I'm definitely excited to play it. Not getting it yet, but from the many impressions I've read in addition to the live streams I've been watching, I think it's something I'll really like.
SolidSnakex
Member
Sure, but didn't they patch in traditional controls later on? I just remember Game Informer playing some of the Rogue games while discussing cancelled Star Wars games and they brought up how much they hated Lair while being in love with the Rogue games. It just didn't make much sense to me since they're the same thing in terms of gameplay. That's why I said that it shows how much an IP can mean to a game. Apparently it can take a game from being completely shit to being beloved.
The whole series is awesome. But yeah, I remember most of the posters on a UK site I was posting on ripped the piss of Dara about that - I've not played Gears, but just watching the background I could work out what to do!
It's that lack of skill that is the reason ND and others have hand holding gaming mechanics and the rest of it - the simple fact is a broad swathe of the buying public aren't that good at games and they want to get their money's worth out of a game.
Baked cube maps. Or he is a vampire. Take your pick
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
One of these is fun and the other is making me hungry.
Hmmm interesting So they don't want rubbish players to choose a difficulty setting because they think they are awesome, and then trash the game because it's too frustrating.
drotahorror
Member
3AM unlocks ARE THE WORST!
I'm excited to play this, but not $60 excited. Reviews in many ways confirm much of the fears. Unless you're looking for a completely different crowd than core gamers (think Myst) then you have to deliver the gameplay. The IGN review even mentioned that you can crouch spam your way through most of the battles. Too bad.
Partly, but I think it's also because they want everyone who owns it to actually get to see the whole game regardless of their skill level. The things I've noticed annoy lots of the more hardcore on here (handlholding, 'easy' one-stick direction advancement) are precisely the things that enable less committed/skilled gamers to enjoy what they're playing and get to feel that sense of agency while playing that they are beating the game.
A good example is the combat in Assassin's Creed. One of the major gripes many have on here is that it isn't especially nuanced or complex, with the same sequence guaranteeing victory no matter how many enemies you're up against...but that also makes someone who can't or doesn't want to remember a more complex set of commands a complete badass, especially in Black Flag where you swing down from the rigging of a ship into a mass of fighting bodies and just start kicking ass with some cool finishing moves.
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
got work at 6:30 and game unlocks at 2 for me. I wanna play for an hour.
The dedication is unreal.
You bastard.
drotahorror
Member
Yeah I'm EST.
I don't understand what determines a 3AM or a 12AM est unlock. It's very random on PSN.
pharmboy044
Member
Yeah, it makes no sense. Some games on the store unlock at 12am est and others unlock at 3am est.
I'm not sure what the issue is with Sony unlocking games at 12am est.
Options are great and I welcome that. What I don't welcome is compromising the experience for one skill level to accommodate other skill levels. An ideal system would be one that scales well across all of them. Instead all we get is the lowest common denominator with arbitrary damage multipliers slapped on the player and enemies to keep it from becoming a snoozefest for higher skills. That, in my opinion, is a cop out. It's why AI sucks in so many games. They are not given the level of attention that other aspects of game design seem to get.
Yup excited here too, don't give a crap about reviews because I know what I'm getting into. Tomorrow I get to watch & play through a 7 hour, decent action movie and I love my action movies (even the critically panned bad ones).
I really, REALLY hope the game isn't like that. I hate dumb action movies and I hate my friends when they drag me to watch them X(
It's nothing like that. (so far)
LookAtMeGo
Member
I knew I should have taken that nap.
Dragonslayer_023
Banned
Me too for some reason, I guess because now that expectation is low it's more likely to pleasantly surprise than disappoint.
graywolf323
Member
I wish PSN realized the east coast exists and didn't keep preorders locked until 3am...
I would suggest there are many video game journalists jaded and are out of touch with the average gamer