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Still mystified by the comments of "every Xbox 360 update has made it tougher for me to play my games" - if it's not disc-based (which means pressing just one button) then it's just a couple away, still. Do you guys have trouble navigating the UI?

Actually I remember a point during the NXE era where it was something like five presses to even get to the screen where you could launch your disc-based games.

I think the main point is that each update has made the basic function of the machine - playing games - less and less prominent in the front end.
 
They definitely made launching a disc and navigating to recently used apps/games from the guide popup more onerous in the last few updates.
 
I never had any issue doing what I wanted to do with the 360 with any version of the Dashboard or store, and in regards to how the Xbox One has been presented so far, I'm not sure why intelligent adults can so easily have their perception of reality shaped by marketing. Does any of this TV stuff they've talked about make it more difficult to play a video game? Does it negate the list of exclusives they've developed or secured? I fail to see how. It does everything the 360 ever did with games and more, and it isn't one bit more difficult or inconvenient to do it.

I love the show, but it just gets silly when the 360 and Xbox One are the topic of conversation.
 
I never had any issue doing what I wanted to do with the 360 with any version of the Dashboard or store, and in regards to how the Xbox One has been presented so far, I'm not sure why intelligent adults can so easily have their perception of reality shaped by marketing. Does any of this TV stuff they've talked about make it more difficult to play a video game? Does it negate the list of exclusives they've developed or secured? I fail to see how. It does everything the 360 ever did with games and more, and it isn't one bit more difficult or inconvenient to do it.

I love the show, but it just gets silly when the 360 and Xbox One are the topic of conversation.

Microsoft's vision for the Xbox One has shaped the product in its entirety and that directly affects how it will perform as a video game system in many ways. If you don't see how I'm sure you will very soon once it reaches the market.
 
I never had any issue doing what I wanted to do with the 360 with any version of the Dashboard or store, and in regards to how the Xbox One has been presented so far, I'm not sure why intelligent adults can so easily have their perception of reality shaped by marketing. Does any of this TV stuff they've talked about make it more difficult to play a video game? Does it negate the list of exclusives they've developed or secured? I fail to see how. It does everything the 360 ever did with games and more, and it isn't one bit more difficult or inconvenient to do it.

I love the show, but it just gets silly when the 360 and Xbox One are the topic of conversation.

What we said in our 360 retrospective was that the first 4-5 years were great, with lots of amazing exclusives, Microsoft caring very much about games/gamers, paving the way for indies on console. Even if they had other ambitions at that time it was largely invisible. For the first 5 years of the last generation the 360 was my go-to console. I have a larger library of games on 360 than I do on any other platform. I don't think anyone would disagree that the Microsoft of those years was awesome.

But there has been a noticeable tilt to one side in the messaging and strategy. Not just of Xbox One, but of the 360 as well. Since around the time the Kinect came out Microsoft's strategy has changed to be living room entertainment focused. Games are a part of that but to a much broader userbase of fitness games and kids games. All you have to do is look at their landing page for the Xbox 360 on xbox.com - how much of that is devoted to the 360 as a gaming platform? Gaming is on the second row of "Entertainment is more amazing with Xbox 360."

This isn't to say that Microsoft hasn't always had broader goals with the 360 to take over the living room. They have. Even in the launch presentation J Allard talks about Windows Media Center and using it for music, movies, photos, etc. Even whilst releasing amazing Halo sequels and having awesome Summer of Arcade promotions they were putting in on-demand video, Netflix, Hulu, Crunchyroll, Xbox Music, etc. Turned out that the 360 continued to be a best-selling platform fueled by great multiplatform games and though Microsoft's first party output declined, as an Entertainment device the 360 was still beating the competition in sales. Clearly it was a strategy that was working to great extent.

Of course their success has informed their approach with Xbox One. They spent the first unveiling touting its media features because those had already become such an important and popular direction with the 360. The first ad on TV for the Xbox One touts its media features and not games. Where games were the focus when the 360 launched to get the box in your home and then later sold itself on the Entertainment functions, Microsoft itself is a different company than they were in 2005 and has a broader range of services/businesses that are leaning on the Xbox for success. Xbox Music, Video, SmartGlass, Windows Phone, NFL content deals, these are now much more closely tied to the Xbox One as a platform at launch 'cuz they didn't exist when the 360 launched. It is not surprising that this is the direction.

Does it make it any more difficult to play a video game? No. In the 360 podcast we were talking about the number of clicks in it takes to find/be informed about games/new game content. And it has increased over the years as the 360 has become more of an entertainment Swiss Army Knife by necessity, surely. Do I believe that games are less of a focus for Microsoft with the One platform than they were with the 360? Yes I do. Now this doesn't mean that they're not securing great exclusives or that the system will be without amazing games. But what this does say to me is that this is the same Microsoft of the back-half of the 360's lifespan where they all but dropped indie devs, first-party support dwindled just to a few core franchises pumped out regularly, they stopped funding interesting games from 2nd parties, they focused on non-gaming system functions and multiplatform games with exclusive content were expected to fill the void. If I didn't already have a 360 I don't think I would've been compelled to buy one over the last 2-3 years. I've not turned it on nearly as much in the last 2 years as I used to. I don't think I'm the only one on the 'cast that feels that way.
 
We all hailed the 360 as one of our top two or three consoles of all-time. So, with respect, I'm going to go ahead and not take that criticism on board so much.

With regard to the Xbox One: it comes out a week later... for a hundred dollars more. Those two pieces of data alone would swing me in favor of a PlayStation purchase. Add in a broader, more offbeat set of games shown so far by Sony, and the One being bundled with an utterly useless (for me) peripheral that seems to be not much more than a combo remote control/advertising trojan horse and, well, they're out of my consideration set altogether.*







*until a game is shown that makes me say "Jesus Christ--I need that!" (pretty sure that game is Quantum Break, but we'll see)
 
And also that.

Games that could be that for me - Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Halo. Maybe Titanfall but I'm sure that'll come out for PS4 at some point so I'm not in a hurry.
 
I'm just buying one to go with my copy of Forza 5.

First on my list too, but I gotta admit, Titanfall makes me feel...something strong. And when it comes to multi games like that, there's really no substitute for getting in on the first day and enjoying it with everyone else for the first time. Especially early in a system's life - as time goes on, playerbase splits off into different spots, but EVERYONE will be on that Titanfall. So I can't wait. I used to feel that way about Gears of War, played the first a zillion times...then not so much with 2 and 3 even though I loved the shit out of them.
 
Dang, CJ getting mad defensive; even used the word 'whilst'. I've got enough respect to read the whole thing before responding, and damn if you didn't win that forum battle.
 
So cool the 360 retrospective. I think was the first podcast to do that.

And I am one of five people who like and miss Game Room. The interface is very cool. Love Atari 2600 game. If you put a little of effort, you see how the Atari games are like Megaman, with patterns hard to master and make high scores. I blame the Intellevision games for have killed Game Room.
 
I'm way too invested in what these 4 think of Pokemon. They always have the most complex and interesting opinions on it. *downloads*
 
I wish more sites would do six month later reviews, especially games that are considered "top tier," "oscar worthy" or "art."

BioShock Infinite is a bad video game. It should be remembered as such.
 
You know, all these years, I've never understood why people are *still* into Pokemon.

But, now that I know it's a goddamn treasure trove of euphemisms, I'm starting to understand.

"MY TORCHIC...IS EVOLVING"
 
Enjoyed the Beyond:TS talk and looking forward to the spoilercast.

Hopefully there will an extended explanation about why only parents can feel empathy and single people are mindless husks indifferent to the suffering of others
 
Enjoyed the Beyond:TS talk and looking forward to the spoilercast.

Hopefully there will an extended explanation about why only parents can feel empathy and single people are mindless husks indifferent to the suffering of others

Ask your mother.
 
Enjoyed the Beyond:TS talk and looking forward to the spoilercast.

Hopefully there will an extended explanation about why only parents can feel empathy and single people are mindless husks indifferent to the suffering of others

People with kids are more sympathetic to the childish scrawl that David Cage attempts to pass off as story. Bless him, he tried his hardest!
 
I have my disagreements with certain games with Mike and Greg but we can always agree when it comes to Quantic Dream games. I loved Beyond and thought it was a great experience. I await the spoilercast!

Btw, I'm single and don't have kids and I loved young Jodie and her chapters. Such a cute kid.
 
I listened to an old, old show - the one where the crew talks about Smash Bros Brawl. It was really, really different except for Sewart who has managed to maintain the same level of enthusiasm and interest in everything. It's interesting to see Phil, who has changed the most, not do any fake belly laughs. Very weird, but I did like it.

Long story short, your old stuff still holds up but is very different. Goddamn that was a long time ago...
 
Get ready for some of the least complicated opinions on Pokemon ever. And dramatic reading of erotic fanfic.

I immediately wanted to come back and delete that post upon listening. *laughs* It was good, though, and probably a nice overview for people who've taken a break from the series.
 
Random question, do you guys actually hate the idea of "late" reviews?

I think it's interesting to actually go back and think about a game months after its release and the shitty PR cycle/hype train/bandwagon jumping thing is over and people can have a rational thought about the game.

I guess I wasn't cynical enough to think of it as clickbait for the relaunch of Gamespot though. lol
 
I definitely don't hate the idea at all. But that one was both oddly timed with the relaunch, and handled by the guy most likely to write something "controversial." Made the whole thing kinda stinky to me.
 
I definitely don't hate the idea at all. But that one was both oddly timed with the relaunch, and handled by the guy most likely to write something "controversial." Made the whole thing kinda stinky to me.

What's stinky to me is how this terrible game sits at 94 on Metacritic. Even on the P1P you were the first one to play it and the others gave you a hard time for not having positive first impressions. It's kind of ironic that the first reviewer to come out and tell it like it is also gets shit about it.
 
I think I actually prefer later reviews because I hate the idea of passing judgement on games based on playing them under an unrealistic deadline. Launching a day-1 review almost always means the reviewer had to rush through the game.

But on the flip side, this trend of revisiting reviews in order to change scores irritates the shit out of me.

Edit: Exactly what mik said. None of it feels honest. When this happens it feels like a blatant attempt to be controversial, or reserving the right to adjust your score to reflect public opinion whenever you feel like your original review didn't get it "right."
 
I think I actually prefer later reviews because I hate the idea of passing judgement on games based on playing them under an unrealistic deadline. Launching a day-1 review almost always means the reviewer had to rush through the game.

But on the flip side, this trend of revisiting reviews in order to change scores irritates the shit out of me.

Edit: Exactly what mik said. None of it feels honest. When this happens it feels like a blatant attempt to be controversial, or reserving the right to adjust your score to reflect public opinion whenever you feel like your original review didn't get it "right."

While I can see why you'd think that, I also mostly agree with the review (although it did seem worded a tad controversial, it also rang true). Mostly stuff about how bad the combat was, how much of it there was, how mechanically out of place Elizabeth was, how the unique setting was tossed out the window for a story about these two people. Goddamn, vigours were useless to me except for Return to Sender which you got too late in the game.

I was really disappointed by Bioshock: Infinite.
 
I think I actually prefer later reviews because I hate the idea of passing judgement on games based on playing them under an unrealistic deadline. Launching a day-1 review almost always means the reviewer had to rush through the game.

But on the flip side, this trend of revisiting reviews in order to change scores irritates the shit out of me.

Edit: Exactly what mik said. None of it feels honest. When this happens it feels like a blatant attempt to be controversial, or reserving the right to adjust your score to reflect public opinion whenever you feel like your original review didn't get it "right."
They didn't adjust the score. The new review was labeled "other take", and the main page for the game still displays the score from the original review prominently.

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