nial
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Anyone unironically asking for this is a fool, Nintendo wants full-on global appeal; there's a reason the Mario movie was made by the one of most popular animation studios for children, situated in California.
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The producer of the smash hit critically acclaimed masterpiece 'Borderlands' is also producing The Legend of Zelda
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MiguelItUp
Member
Nice, maybe we'll get a movie that's up there with the original Super Mario Bros. (1993) movie?
ManaByte
Gold Member
And Lord and Miller have said how they had to sideline him to keep him from ruining them. He was a nightmare for them.
Krathoon
Member
Yeah. I think it will be ok. Also, Miyamoto and company will keep him on track.
I thought the Mario movie turned out really well.
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
Alternatively, reality
ManaByte
Gold Member
NickFire
Member
Surprised Nintendo would let anyone near Zelda whose resume includes Morbius and Madame Web. I've been told Morbius is the first movie to somehow flop in theaters twice. And I'm pretty sure Sydney Sweeney (bless her glorious heart) was joking about how bad MW flopped when it was still in theaters. Yikes.
cinnamonandgravy
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zelda gonna save link
BlackTron
Member
Nice, maybe we'll get a movie that's up there with the original Super Mario Bros. (1993) movie?
Nintendo finally gets over their fear instigated by this one mistake with the tone-perfect Mario Movie, and in overconfidence walk directly into another fuckup that will traumatize them away from the silver screen for a few more decades.
StereoVsn
Member
I would take that vs Borderlands.Nice, maybe we'll get a movie that's up there with the original Super Mario Bros. (1993) movie?
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
Nintendo master plan of license it's own character to burn it's biggest rival's money with a guarantee movie flop finally reveals itself.
LavitzSlambert
Member
Nintendo is too paranoid to completely trust their IP in the hands of others, there is no way this dude is allowed free rein.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Oookay, but I care more about who the director is, and considering he just gave us this:
Forgive me for not abandoning ALL hope.
I thought the movie was just good nothing special. It's the fact that Wes Ball is a huge Zelda fan makes me more hopeful
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I don't see how a live action will benefit Zelda, as so many elements will look kinda ridiculous and fake like Gorons. But it's Nintendo who made that call.
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
He also produced X-Men, Spider Man, Spider Man 2, X-2, Iron Man, Spider Man Homecoming, Spiderman into the Spiderverse and the sequel.......a lot of hits....but his hits were mostly 10+ years ago.Be afraid.
Avi Arad is responsible for Borderlands. He also brought us the recent modern classics such as Venom: Let There Be Carnage, Morbius, the upcoming Best Picture winner Madame Web, and the highly anticipated Venom: The Last Dance and Kraven (which is a recycle of the Morbius script with bat blood replaced with lion blood).
Since the man has a laptop filled with epic dirt on Sony chief Tom Rothman, he's given anything he wants to destroy. His next target is The Legend of Zelda.
Be very afraid.
ManaByte
Gold Member
His hits were when Feige was still there. He only had an executive credit on Iron Man and the MCU Spider-Man movies.
The Sony-Marvel deal is that Avi Arad and Matt Tolmach are not allowed to touch the Tom Holland movies. They only get executive credits on it. Feige (Marvel) and Amy Pascal (Sony) produce those movies (Homecoming, Far From Home, No Way Home) because Arad and Tolmach are responsible for what happened with the ASM movies through Madame Web.
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Topher
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According to?
ManaByte
Gold Member
The Hollywood Reporter.
Thats the deal that went into place when Holland was cast. Amy Pascal produces on the Sony side through her production company Pascal Pictures, Kevin Feige produces at Marvel Studios. Arad and Tolmach aren't involved, and they produce the Sony Universe of Marvel Characters movies (Venom, Venom Let There Be Carnage, Morbis, Madame Web, Venom the Last Dance, and Kraven).
With Marvel Deal, Sony Opts to Lease Rather Than Sell Spider-Man
Instead of selling the rights to the web-slinging superhero back to Marvel, Sony eschewed the quick cash in return for the benefits of free exposure to a younger, rebooted Spider-Man franchise.
www.hollywoodreporter.com
DarkArterialGore
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Sounds like the right person to give Zelda fans what they deserve.
Spirit Icana
Member
The Avi Arad hate is overrated. There are worse producers out there. His mistakes are just more high profile. Guy has definitely made some bad moves in hindsight, and I have no idea if he's completely involved with some of these bad talents being chosen to direct and write these awful Spider-Man spin-offs (Why was Venom's writer promoted to director for the latest film?). Avi Arad is also the producer of two of the best Spider-Man cartoons (90's animated series, and Spectacular Spider-Man), and was the guy who believed in a theatrical animated Spider-Man movie (which many laughed at), which he got Miller and Lord on whom proposed using Miles as the star, which Avi agreed. Avi wasn't wrong about Venom's appeal, but he compromised with a director who didn't understand the character with Spider-Man 3, because he was overtly driven by scale, and audience demand, but the talent wasn't there to deliver. Avi is largely a marketer. He would not accept Spider-Man joining the MCU unless Spider-Man was the lead character. He does follow trends too much, and ends up putting out product that's behind the times, and while I completely agree with him that a independent Spider-Man universe can work, it's completely botched by the bad creative's involved, and besides Venom and Kraven, Morbius and Madame Webb are bottom of the rug/least exciting characters you can pull from that verse. They botched the Carnage juggernaut, which should've been saved as a character for a huge event. I don't like the alternate Spider-Man's very much, but the Spider-verse movies were well received, so I think it's only a matter of 'when' for Miles Morales and Spider-Gwen to have their live-action debuts. Eww! Spider-Man eventually teaming up with his enemies makes a lot of sense to me, as we're talking about the Parker luck here (that doesn't seem to exist anymore), so I was all for Villain spin-offs over Avengers cameos, but Sony don't got the chops to put out anything special, and these Villains/Anti-Heroes are just basically acting like heroes in these spin-offs... like c'mon!
Also, I think Avi got a shout-out at the end of No Way Home because the Sony leaks had people laughing at his idea of bringing back Tobey Spider-Man in Andrew Garfield's led Amazing Spider-Man films (any comic reader knows how stupid comic book stories are, so I wasn't laughing). Lo and behold, the most successful Spider-Man movies is No Way Home, which brings all three live-action Spider-Men together on screen. I watched it too, even though I thought the film was garbage. xD It probably would've been a huge hit even without Dr. Strange/Marvel, but hey, who knows how effective these twitter campaigns are that were originally crying about Spidey leaving the MCU after Far from Home. They did largely drive up the hype for the No Way Home Cameos after all.
Lord and Miller are also producing their own Spider-Man live-action universe for streaming/TV, though they are having a heck of a time getting even one project out the door. The first release appeared to be Silk: Spider Society, but it's hitting bumps left and right, and Spider-Man Noir got it's Nicholas Cage announcement, but we'll see how long until it actually finds its way onto streaming platforms. Doesn't sound like it's anytime soon.
Anyway....
I'm neutral with Zelda. It can go either way. Miyamoto is a producer too, and he will have his say. The quality of the movie will largely fall on Wes Ball, and the writing team to conjure a compelling story in a universe we are all familiar with, with Miyamoto making sure the film stays faithful to the Zelda brand, with a creative input or two. I think Avi is here for his Hollywood connections/experience, and his experience with toys, as merchandising will get a big push alongside the film, no doubt. The movie is a big commercial for Nintendo's games, and to get the IP further exposure to a wider audience, as was always the plan ever since the failed Netflix deal.
Edit: I was wrong. Avi Arad did not produce/exe Spectacular Spider-Man. That was Victor Cook (season 1) and Diane A. Crea. Sony Pictures TV, but no Arad involvement from what I can tell. Still my favorite piece of Spider-Man media.
Also, I think Avi got a shout-out at the end of No Way Home because the Sony leaks had people laughing at his idea of bringing back Tobey Spider-Man in Andrew Garfield's led Amazing Spider-Man films (any comic reader knows how stupid comic book stories are, so I wasn't laughing). Lo and behold, the most successful Spider-Man movies is No Way Home, which brings all three live-action Spider-Men together on screen. I watched it too, even though I thought the film was garbage. xD It probably would've been a huge hit even without Dr. Strange/Marvel, but hey, who knows how effective these twitter campaigns are that were originally crying about Spidey leaving the MCU after Far from Home. They did largely drive up the hype for the No Way Home Cameos after all.
Lord and Miller are also producing their own Spider-Man live-action universe for streaming/TV, though they are having a heck of a time getting even one project out the door. The first release appeared to be Silk: Spider Society, but it's hitting bumps left and right, and Spider-Man Noir got it's Nicholas Cage announcement, but we'll see how long until it actually finds its way onto streaming platforms. Doesn't sound like it's anytime soon.
Anyway....
I'm neutral with Zelda. It can go either way. Miyamoto is a producer too, and he will have his say. The quality of the movie will largely fall on Wes Ball, and the writing team to conjure a compelling story in a universe we are all familiar with, with Miyamoto making sure the film stays faithful to the Zelda brand, with a creative input or two. I think Avi is here for his Hollywood connections/experience, and his experience with toys, as merchandising will get a big push alongside the film, no doubt. The movie is a big commercial for Nintendo's games, and to get the IP further exposure to a wider audience, as was always the plan ever since the failed Netflix deal.
Edit: I was wrong. Avi Arad did not produce/exe Spectacular Spider-Man. That was Victor Cook (season 1) and Diane A. Crea. Sony Pictures TV, but no Arad involvement from what I can tell. Still my favorite piece of Spider-Man media.
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Moochi
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There's a lot that can go wrong just in scripting. I think that if we each named the essential elements of the Zelda story, we'd all come up with something different.
For me, the key elements of the story:
1. A lived in world with a long history, with its own myths and cultures.
2. An ancient civilization with advanced tech that seems like magic.
3.The cycle of a hero named Link rising up to defeat an ancient evil.
4. A princess named Zelda who is key to defeating the ancient evil.
I know how Hollywood tells this kind of story and they always screw it up by starting with a ponderous voice over laying all that out as if it's something that needs to be gotten out of the way for the story to be enjoyed, but really what they need to do is get better at incluing and developing the world and it's history through the immediate story.
For me, the key elements of the story:
1. A lived in world with a long history, with its own myths and cultures.
2. An ancient civilization with advanced tech that seems like magic.
3.The cycle of a hero named Link rising up to defeat an ancient evil.
4. A princess named Zelda who is key to defeating the ancient evil.
I know how Hollywood tells this kind of story and they always screw it up by starting with a ponderous voice over laying all that out as if it's something that needs to be gotten out of the way for the story to be enjoyed, but really what they need to do is get better at incluing and developing the world and it's history through the immediate story.
StereoVsn
Member
Zelda movie in the same manner as the Mario film would do great. I also think live action Zelda just doesn’t make sense.
digital_ghost
Member
It doesn't matter who's name is making it. As long as it has Zelda in the name and Nintendo behind it. The movie will make 100s of millions of dollars.
I wouldn't panic just yet, Nintendo is pretty hands on and cares about their franchises. They learnt their lesson from the CDI and Mario Brothers Movie (non animated) - I hope.
They did a good job on Mario Animated movie, hopefully they can right the ship for a live action and provide some quality control.
Zelda has great momentum behind it, would be a shame to damage that.
They did a good job on Mario Animated movie, hopefully they can right the ship for a live action and provide some quality control.
Zelda has great momentum behind it, would be a shame to damage that.
Bruno_Arrais85
Member
I mean, this guy also produced Spiderman 2 and Ironman 1. The Zelda movie will still be shit tho.
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Barakov
Member
Be afraid.
Avi Arad is responsible for Borderlands. He also brought us the recent modern classics such as Venom: Let There Be Carnage, Morbius, the upcoming Best Picture winner Madame Web, and the highly anticipated Venom: The Last Dance and Kraven (which is a recycle of the Morbius script with bat blood replaced with lion blood).
Since the man has a laptop filled with epic dirt on Sony chief Tom Rothman, he's given anything he wants to destroy. His next target is The Legend of Zelda.
Be very afraid.
bitbydeath
Member
Avi Arad?
It was Eli Roth who directed Borderlands.
Which was a bizarre move for him.
Producers aren’t in charge of movies, it’s the directors who have the final say on everything.
It was Eli Roth who directed Borderlands.
Which was a bizarre move for him.
Producers aren’t in charge of movies, it’s the directors who have the final say on everything.
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miklonus
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Is there a shit smiley I can reply to this with?
miklonus
Member
Hi Avi! Didn't know you posted on neogaf.
RainblowDash
Gold Member
What old actors gonna play Zelda and Link??
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Sorry, I can't take this praise of Kevin Feige seriously when you see what a trainwreck the MCU has been since Endgame. There was a time when I respected him, but he pissed away so much goodwill the last 4 years with absolutely AWFUL films. Sorry dude, but Feige like so many people is a fraud. He needed people like Ike Perlmutter to be successful.
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Best way to make a video game movie is by giving them a chance for doing commercials like the one from resident evil.
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Doom85
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Ike Perlmutter, Who Almost Killed the MCU, Fired at Disney
Disney has fired Ike Perlmutter, head of Marvel Entertainment, among 7000+ layoffs, ending the career of the man who could've killed the MCU.
www.escapistmagazine.com
The Cockatrice
Member
Hopefully Danny DeVito plays Zelda.
Hudo
Member
Studio Ponoc could also be a cool choice:I wish Nintendo asked Wit studio to make Zelda anime.
They are perfect for it.
metaru_geah_sorrido
Member
That is hilarious, his name was on every comic book spinoff on TV in the 90's. He should be making Troma films, no offense to the great Kaufman.
MayauMiao
Member
Be afraid.
Avi Arad is responsible for Borderlands. He also brought us the recent modern classics such as Venom: Let There Be Carnage, Morbius, the upcoming Best Picture winner Madame Web, and the highly anticipated Venom: The Last Dance and Kraven (which is a recycle of the Morbius script with bat blood replaced with lion blood).
Since the man has a laptop filled with epic dirt on Sony chief Tom Rothman, he's given anything he wants to destroy. His next target is The Legend of Zelda.
Be very afraid.
Eh, Nintendo IP will be fine.
Not the first time they had their IP ruined by Hollywood:
ManaByte
Gold Member
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
I wish I had his money.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Bullshit. Producers put up the money. If directors had final say we would've had Ben Kingsley as Vulture in Spider-Man 3 instead of Topher Grace as Venom, but since Avi Arad was the producer he told Sam fucking Raimi to pound sand and put Venom in the movie instead.
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