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remove the multi-platform games. then there's the fact that I personally don't like racing or multiplayer-orientated games or Ratchet and Clank. that leaves Uncharted, Ninja Gaiden, Heavenly Sword and Resistance. all great games I would love to own but it's not worth getting another console. I can go without, especially as there so many other non-exclusive games to take my mind off it.

It's a ridiculous argument: If I were a PS3 only gamer thinking about getting 360, your logical fallacy would also lead to the conclusion that the 360 has no games compared to the PS3. Most of those games are currently on the PS3 as well and if you discount titles from genres you dislike you can also conclude it's not worth getting the 360 for just Halo and Bioshock.

 

[Firewire]

But people have a lot more variety with their 360 collections. Some people don't even have Mass Effect, Gears, Halo 3, or Bioshock because they have enough of a choice in titles.

With PS3 collections you can predict they have Resistance, Motorstorm, Ratchet, etc. The only things that are kinda different is when they start getting desperate and purchase shitty games like Folklore and Heavenly Sword.

Oh thats funny! no variety.

How come on my PSN friends list every night there are at least 20-25 people on and they are all pretty well playing different games? Yeah we all have/had those games, but open you're eyes there are allot more games available than around launch. Half the games I see others playing I don't even own, and I have allot of PS3 games.

And something tells me you have never played Folklore or Heavenly Sword, you're just pushing that old & tired company line. Its '08 there are games available on the PS3 and they are great, and will only get better, the same applies to the 360 so stop with the nonsense please.

 

[Jamesfrom818]

Yes.. because when you get your ps3 your gonna buy all your games in one felt swoop. Noooo you cant have 3-4 games now and buy the rest later. You want to plop down 1200 on the spot and get 20 games right now.

3-4 games? So $400+ for the PS3 and then another $200+ for the games? I have better things to spend $600+ on.

Why are you so butthurt about people not needing a PS3?

 

[Teknoman]

It's a ridiculous argument: If I were a PS3 only gamer thinking about getting 360, your logical fallacy would also lead to the conclusion that the 360 has no games compared to the PS3. Most of those games are currently on the PS3 as well and if you discount titles from genres you dislike you can also conclude it's not worth getting the 360 for just Halo and Bioshock.

Actually its the same thing that happened with the PSP. Remember when everyone was going "PSP has no games" because they really didnt have alot of exclusives that catered to lots of different genres. Now they do, and the PSP is going through one of its best cycles ever.

 

[Vinci]

This isn't a criticism by any stretch, but I find it oddly entertaining that everyone who's posted a pic of their PS3 collection has almost the exact same games. Like, maybe one title difference between them.

That isn't a bad thing, but it does showcase the titles that have gotten the most interest from the system's fanbase. If those sort of games don't appeal to the boyfriend, or he can find most of them elsewhere (as others have suggested with the 360), then why bother buying a PS3?

If you really want him to buy one, focus on Blu Ray for now. MGS might help; I don't know. Just doesn't seem like a wealth of variety in those collections at this point, though the same could likely be said of people's 360 collections.

 

[Kinitari]

Yes.. because when you get your ps3 your gonna buy all your games in one felt swoop. Noooo you cant have 3-4 games now and buy the rest later. You want to plop down 1200 on the spot and get 20 games right now.

Thats a ridiculously good point. I dont know about everyone else, but when I bought my PS3, I bought one game... than I slowly built my collection (roughly 1 game a month) to where I am sitting, just over 10 games. Do people think if they buy a PS3 now, and a game or two a month, that there will be NO games available once the current library runs dry?

 

[Madman]

Anyone that has the console and has explored it's offerings knows there is plenty to choose from, including exclusives. Those that don't or haven't believe it has a poor variety of games and few exclusives.

 

[sajj316]

all this talk of justifying purchases ...

No two justifications are the same. I bought the PS3 on day one and it had tons of games (sarcasm). Sure we can persuade potential buyers that is 'not a gamer'. If this guy is a gamer, he'll come to a conclusion himself. If he thinks this purchase is not justified, so be it. One day he will if that day ever comes.

Regarding the stigma that PS3 does not have games... the only ones that say that are the ones that play a game of Gears of War on Xbox Live. I've stopped trying to educate people on the PS3 offerings. If they don't want a PS3, they really don't want one. They are content with the 360 and buy into the product.

I will admit, the PS3 did not have much quality games during its launch and several months in. If there is a stigma still in the minds of gamers, its Sony's responsibility to educate the consumer/gamer. The problem is that there are rapid 360 fans that love to inject this nonsense in every board/chat/online gaming sesson. This why the stigma is still alive and kicking .....

 

[Outcast2004]

So what do you want to play then?

When people say "there's nothing I want to play", that's fine. But what are you playing? What did you like to play before?

I think the ratio of PS3 owners who have Resistance and the 360 owners who have Halo 3 would be pretty damn similar.

I played my 360 because it's library is more appealing to me. I got the PS3 primarily for a blu-ray player.

Like I said, if it weren't for MLB08 (which is spectacular Best baseball game EVAR!) and Warhawk (fun...yet frustrating) I'd never play it.

Most of my tastes cater to the stuff that's usually multi-plat. And surprise, it's usually a better game on the 360. Just ask the Madden fans what they thought of the 360-PS3 frame rate this year....

Am I frustrated as hell by the lack of hardware reliability on the 360? HELL YES. I'm on my third system. Does it take away from the fact I enjoy the games more, the controller a lot more and he online community as well is preferred.

Let's take a check list of whats coming out and what's already out exclusively.
GT5 = BORING. The game is dull. Never liked it.
MGS4 = maybe. The long-winded radio talk better be gone.
Motorstorm = I think it sucks. I never feel like I'm in control
Resistance = it'd be great if the controller weren't so horrible for FPS

Basically I could go on and on, but how can you argue opinion?

 

[Kinitari]

3-4 games? So $400+ for the PS3 and then another $200+ for the games? I have better things to spend $600+ on.

Why are you so butthurt about people not needing a PS3?

... I think you missed his point. His point was not that you HAD to buy 3-4 games, it was that you did not HAVE to buy 10-15 AAA titles all at once, slowly build your collection like a normal person.

 

[Tiktaalik]

If you already have a 360, it's uhh... sort of true that there are barely any games. I think the fellow sort of means there are barely any exclusive games.

This is actually a pretty reasonable statement considering that a great deal of exclusive 1st party games got ho-hum scores and are considered by many to be average or worse. That's not to say that there aren't good exclusive games. When I get my PS3 (for MGS4) I'll be picking up Uncharted, Pixeljunk Monsters, and Every Day Shooter, but not much else. Stuff in the future though, looks awesome (Wipeout, Resistance 2, Killzone)

If you're speaking from a purely exclusive title reference point, I think the "PS3 has no games" stigma actually holds some water.

 

[SRG01]

You can't judge the value of a console by the owner's collection. I have exactly four games for my PS3 and I think it's money well-spent. Each person's notion of utility is totally different. (edit: Especially when you take into account the person's lifestyle... I'm an extremely busy person and I don't play video games hours on end.)




Of course, I have like 2x that amount in PSP games, and even more on the PC! :lol

 

[sneaky77]

It's a ridiculous argument: If I were a PS3 only gamer thinking about getting 360, your logical fallacy would also lead to the conclusion that the 360 has no games compared to the PS3. Most of those games are currently on the PS3 as well and if you discount titles from genres you dislike you can also conclude it's not worth getting the 360 for just Halo and Bioshock.

And that's a valid point, and I am sure there are people that think that way.

 

[Teknoman]

all this talk of justifying purchases ...

No two justifications are the same. I bought the PS3 on day one and it had tons of games (sarcasm). Sure we can persuade potential buyers that is 'not a gamer'. If this guy is a gamer, he'll come to a conclusion himself. If he thinks this purchase is not justified, so be it. One day he will if that day ever comes.

Regarding the stigma that PS3 does not have games... the only ones that say that are the ones that play a game of Gears of War on Xbox Live. I've stopped trying to educate people on the PS3 offerings. If they don't want a PS3, they really don't want one. They are content with the 360 and buy into the product.

I will admit, the PS3 did not have much quality games during its launch and several months in. If there is a stigma still in the minds of gamers, its Sony's responsibility to educate the consumer/gamer. The problem is that there are rapid 360 fans that love to inject this nonsense in every board/chat/online gaming sesson. This why the stigma is still alive and kicking .....

When most people talk about no games, they talk about exclusive titles (whether bad or good, thats subjective). And whats wrong with Gears...?

 

[MoxManiac]

Aren't 6 of them exclusives? Though one day I understand UT3 will probably drop on 360... (is this confirmed?) in probably a gimped no-mod version.

UT3 is also on PC, which makes it multiplatform.

 

[shintoki]

Sounds more like hes not interested and your a Sony fanboy.
You call your Girlfriend's cousin to alert him of a sale going on and try to explain why he should get it. Then get mad when he says hes not interested in it because there are no games on the system(That maybe are on 360 also...system he has already, so why does he need a PS3 to play them) Or not interested in the few exculsives they have already. Seems more like, you didn't think about it his way but in your own way. Not everyone needs more then one system or cares for every game. Not everyone has to get Kittonwy over uncharted. There is more then one definition of No games also. Maybe just no games that interest him currently.

 

[Jamesfrom818]

... I think you missed his point. His point was not that you HAD to buy 3-4 games, it was that you did not HAVE to buy 10-15 AAA titles all at once, slowly build your collection like a normal person.

I still see it as dropping down money that can be spent on my Wii, DS or 360. Just because I spread out the spending, it doesn't mean I'm spending any less than if I splurge all at once.

 

[WinFonda]

If you already have a 360, it's uhh... sort of true that there are barely any games. I think the fellow sort of means there are barely any exclusive games.

This is actually a pretty reasonable statement considering that a great deal of exclusive 1st party games got ho-hum scores and are considered by many to be average or worse. That's not to say that there aren't good exclusive games. When I get my PS3 (for MGS4) I'll be picking up Uncharted, Pixeljunk Monsters, and Every Day Shooter, but not much else.

If you're speaking from a purely exclusive title reference point, I think the "PS3 has no games" stigma actually holds some water.

Yes, true. However, it raises an issue of fairness, as the 360 is hardly ever compared in the same way. Surely, when we exclude multiplatform games as the basis for saying that so-and-so "has no games," just about every system save the PS2 has "no games."

 

[Kinitari]

If you already have a 360, it's uhh... sort of true that there are barely any games. I think the fellow sort of means there are barely any exclusive games.

This is actually a pretty reasonable statement considering that a great deal of exclusive 1st party games got ho-hum scores and are considered by many to be average or worse. That's not to say that there aren't good exclusive games. When I get my PS3 (for MGS4) I'll be picking up Uncharted, Pixeljunk Monsters, and Every Day Shooter, but not much else. Stuff in the future though, looks awesome (Wipeout, Resistance 2, Killzone)

If you're speaking from a purely exclusive title reference point, I think the "PS3 has no games" stigma actually holds some water.

In what context? Personal taste? Or review scores? And if review scores, what score would it have to average? 7.5 (eg. Good) Or higher?

 

[sajj316]

When most people talk about no games, they talk about exclusive titles (whether bad or good, thats subjective). And whats wrong with Gears...?

Nothing wrong with Gears. Its my favorite 360 game (sajj316 gamertag ... look me up). Exclusive games .... hmmm. 08 is looking pretty good on the exclusive side.

 

[Teknoman]

In what context? Personal taste? Or review scores? And if review scores, what score would it have to average? 7.5 (eg. Good) Or higher?

Im gonna just say the general number of exclusives thats all.

 

[shintoki]

Yes, true. However, it raises an issue of fairness, as the 360 is hardly ever compared in the same way. Surely, when we exclude multiplatform games as the basis for saying that so-and-so "has no games," just about every system save the PS2 has "no games."

....Except he owns a 360 already....
Wouldn't that be the base of comparasion then? The system you presently own compared to one you don't?:lol

 

[Jacobi]

Why exclude multiplatform games? That's retarded. The only thing the 360 has over the PS3 imo is the controller.

 

[ScrabbleBanshee]

Sounds more like hes not interested and your a Sony fanboy.
You call your Girlfriend's cousin to alert him of a sale going on and try to explain why he should get it. Then get mad when he says hes not interested in it because there are no games on the system(That maybe are on 360 also...system he has already, so why does he need a PS3 to play them) Or not interested in the few exculsives they have already. Seems more like, you didn't think about it his way but in your own way. Not everyone needs more then one system or cares for every game. Not everyone has to get Kittonwy over uncharted. There is more then one definition of No games also. Maybe just no games that interest him currently.

Where exactly did you draw the conclusion that I was mad about anything? Get off your high horse for a second. This thread isn't about justifying the purchase of a PS3 to a 360 owner, though it's turned into it.

Read the OP. The discussion that was started was about why the stigma (or enigma if you want... !) of the system having no games has been retained to this point in time.

 

[Kinitari]

I still see it as dropping down money that can be spent on my Wii, DS or 360. Just because I spread out the spending, it doesn't mean I'm spending any less than if I splurge all at once.

Taking that into consideration, wouldn't the investment in a machine that has games now, and will have more games in the future that will only be playable on that system, which is also very feature rich with non-gaming extra's be not-stupid? You can go out and buy 34 Shovelware titles on the Wii, or buy a Ps3 and 1 or 2 games and in my opinion (and probably the opinion of many) the Ps3 scenario would be a better investment.


Or what, am I just missing your point completely?

 

[Axalon]

I don't even understand what he's trying to imply here. Having a lot of games = desperation?

One of the imported games is Gundam: Target in Sight, known in the Western world as Gundam: Crossfire. This game was an atrocity. Honest mistake, or library padding? You decide, GAF.

Spoiler

people don't spend good money on games just to pad collections

 

[ZeoVGM]

Do people still honestly believe this?

Believe? It's an opinion whether or not a system has enough good games that it's worth buying.

And you know damn well when most people say it "has no games", they don't mean it LITERALLY.

They mean "it doesn't have enough games where I would spend all that money on it."

And that's an opinion, which I share. I'll be getting one in June for MGS4, because that's a system seller to me.

But the only other game that has interested me is Ratchet. (I played and didn't like Uncharted.)

 

[shifty100]

Since he already has a 360 he's not including multiplatform games. To most consumers, $399 is a shitload of money for the incremental upgrade over a current-gen system they already have.

If he didn't already have a 360, he would view the $399 as a better personal value.

Your girlfriend's cousin is simply a normal consumer. Most people aren't like the GAFcore.

Correct except for the last statement that he is a normal consumer, most normal consumers don't own a HD console yet, so he is also the opposite of the normal consumer.

 

[Beer Monkey]

Why exclude multiplatform games?

Because he can already buy those. :lol

 

[itsinmyveins]

Why exclude multiplatform games? That's retarded. The only thing the 360 has over the PS3 imo is the controller.

I've gotten the impression that most multiplatform games are slightly better or at least just as good on the X360, though.

 

[Xisiqomelir]

Please. The 360 and the PS3 both have a great lineup. We all know the truth.

Wii has no games. None.

I have a lot more Wii games than PS3 games, tbh.

 

[Davidion]

In what context? Personal taste? Or review scores? And if review scores, what score would it have to average? 7.5 (eg. Good) Or higher?

Personal tastes, of course, which is in turn influenced to a limited degree by review scores.

People apparently get really upset that the game that they think is hot shit really isn't looked upon all that fondly by other people. *shrugs*

 

[tanod]

MS PR

They've successfully convinced people that all multi-platform games are irrelevant if you're looking to buy a PS3, whether you have a 360 or not.

 

[Ariexv]

I have a lot more Wii games than PS3 games, tbh.

^^ There's more Wii games coming out this year that interest me then Ps3 games.

MS PR

They've successfully convinced people that all multi-platform games are irrelevant if you're looking to buy a PS3.

They ARE irrelevant if you already have a 360.

 

[WinFonda]

....Except he owns a 360 already....
Wouldn't that be the base of comparasion then? The system you presently own compared to one you don't?:lol

What about that makes it okay to say that the other console "has no games?"

 

[Kinitari]

Im gonna just say the general number of exclusives thats all.

Warhawk, Resistance, R&C, Motorstorm, Folklore, Uncharted, UTIII, MLB 08, Eye of Judgement, + assorted PSN games. All can only be found on the PS3, easily over 500 dollars in games, all pretty unique from ea other... I just cant wrap my head around this no exclusive game thing.... and im not even including all of them.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Believe? It's an opinion whether or not a system has enough good games that it's worth buying.

And you know damn well when most people say it "has no games", they don't mean it LITERALLY.

They mean "it doesn't have enough games where I would spend all that money on it."

And that's an opinion, which I share. I'll be getting one in June for MGS4, because that's a system seller to me.

But the only other game that has interested me is Ratchet. (I played and didn't like Uncharted.)

And actually, to add to that, some people say Wii has no games.

So let me ask you. Is it TRUE that Wii has no games, yet FALSE that PS3 has no games?

It's all a matter of what interests a person. And there are more Wii games coming out in 2008 that interest me as of now, than PS3 games.

And multiplatform titles don't matter to a lot of people, such as myself, who already own a 360. Purchasing a PS3 would then matter strictly on exclusives. Obviously I'm not going to buy a PS3 for Vegas 2 when I already own a 360.

 

[Kinitari]

One of the imported games is Gundam: Target in Sight, known in the Western world as Gundam: Crossfire. This game was an atrocity. Honest mistake, or library padding? You decide, GAF.

Spoiler

people don't spend good money on games just to pad collections

TC4 is in there too, I wouldn't touch that game with a 10 foot pole, but I know PLENTY who would... maybe its personal taste?

Even taking away half those games, you still have a pretty meaty and fulfilling library in my opinion.

 

[Beer Monkey]

Correct except for the last statement that he is a normal consumer, most normal consumers don't own a HD console yet, so he is also the opposite of the normal consumer.

Well, let's say he is a more normal gaming consumer as GAFfers.

Nobody I work with is surprised to discover that I own gaming consoles. When they find I own a 360 and a PS3, they think I'm some kind of maniac. :lol

 

[islewarrior]

here we go again , as gta5 launch gets closer and closer the more crap threads like this will start to appear. for some reason 360 fanboys have that stink of fear that somehow the ps3 will become the system of choice and their purchase of the 360 becomes a bad investment. pay careful attention to how many negative Sony/ps3 thread start to appear in the next several week leading up to gta. it will be almost like a ms lead campaign to dis credit the ps3

 

[TheDuce22]

If you have a 360 already there is very little on the PS3 worth owning. Thats why people still say it.

 

[pr0cs]

I have 2 games for my PS3, one of them is used. Yeah I just got it but to be honest the next game I'll buy for it is likely in September... SEPTEMBER, that's 6 months away. So for 5 months it will be a dedicated DVD player.

If you have a 360 the majority of the multiplat games are better on the 360 so for the most part thus far you're buying exclusives.

This is the problem with the PS3, a number of big exclusive titles were underwhelming so if you have a 360 there is little reason to own a PS3.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

here we go again , as gta5 launch gets closer and closer the more crap threads like this will start to appear. for some reason 360 fanboys have that stink of fear that somehow the ps3 will become the system of choice and their purchase of the 360 becomes a bad investment. pay careful attention to how many negative Sony/ps3 thread start to appear in the next several week leading up to gta. it will be almost like a ms lead campaign to dis credit the ps3

.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Warhawk, Resistance, R&C, Motorstorm, Folklore, Uncharted, UTIII, MLB 08, Eye of Judgement, + assorted PSN games. All can only be found on the PS3, easily over 500 dollars in games, all pretty unique from ea other... I just cant wrap my head around this no exclusive game thing.... and im not even including all of them.

Warhawk and Eye of Judgement aren't interesting to me. I didn't like Motorstorm or Uncharted (especially Motorstorm -- Uncharted wasn't a bad game or anything).

MLB 08? I don't play realistic sports games. I never have. (Give me an exclusive NBA Jam though, and I'll bite!)

UTIII? Isn't that coming to 360 (not sure)? I'm not interested in it myself, but I would just wait for the 360 version. That's not exactly a game many people would buy a system for.

Ratchet? Love the series, I'll be getting it when I get the MGS4 bundle.

 

[sneaky77]

here we go again , as gta5 launch gets closer and closer the more crap threads like this will start to appear. for some reason 360 fanboys have that stink of fear that somehow the ps3 will become the system of choice and their purchase of the 360 becomes a bad investment. pay careful attention to how many negative Sony/ps3 thread start to appear in the next several week leading up to gta. it will be almost like a ms lead campaign to dis credit the ps3

you haven't read the thread have you?

 

[shintoki]

What about that makes it okay to say that the other console "has no games?"

What about that makes you know what are they reffering too?

No games that interest them in general?-Maybe they only like Coop games
Most of the games being multiplatform?-They share like 80%
No exculsive games that interest them?-Couldn't care for R/c or Uncharted
What about no games that interest them currently?-Waiting for MGS4
All those can fall into No games remark.

Seems like a pretty vague statement that show more about the opinion of the people who respond to it, then the ones who actually said it.

 

[inner-G]

They ARE irrelevant if you already have a 360.

A couple of my friends that have all 3 systems have started buying their multiplat. games for PS3, mostly because of RRoD-paranoia I believe. (2 have had it happen to them, but me & my friends probably play more and put more wear on their systems than most.)

One gave up paying for XBL too. He bought a PS3 and didn't make a PSN account for a month . He didn't believe me at first when I told him it was free. :lol

 

[El-Suave]

PS3 has "no" games until gamers start making it their primary platform. That hasn't happened yet starting with the games press who are playing and reviewing 360 versions left and right and most of the time not bothering with the PS3 version more than they have to for the inevitable comparison paragraph in their articles.

A lot of it has to do with the community 360 has created with Live and points. Microsoft has to be commended for that and I don't know if Sony could change that even if they offered a similar feature set.

Maybe come december something will change if Microsoft makes the mistake of having people actually pay for the RoD repairs.

 

[ymmv]

And actually, to add to that, some people say Wii has no games.

So let me ask you. Is it TRUE that Wii has no games, yet FALSE that PS3 has no games?

It's all a matter of what interests a person. And there are more Wii games coming out in 2008 that interest me as of now, than PS3 games.

And multiplatform titles don't matter to a lot of people, such as myself, who already own a 360. Purchasing a PS3 would then matter strictly on exclusives. Obviously I'm not going to buy a PS3 for Vegas 2 when I already own a 360.

The real issue is that this 360 centric perspective is turned into a general truth. It can be turned around just as easily if you already have a PS3 and see no reason buying a 360 for only a handful of upcoming interesting exclusives. If you're a last-gen gamer looking for an upgrade, it's patently untrue.

 

[NextGenitals]

What your gf's cousin really means is "i can't afford $399"