Spastic Colon
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krypt0nian said:
Plus hacks are good at actually getting things out the door!
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Plus hacks are good at actually getting things out the door!
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krypt0nian said:
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:lol
krypt0nian said:
Wtf does this have to do with ANYTHING? You just brought this up out of nowhere, you're just trolling now for the sake of trolling. No one made any comments like that. We're all here just trying to show you how inaccurate your comments are and you don't seize to amaze, you come out with more dumb and wrong comments.
For anyone just joining this thread, here's a recap of krypt0nian amazing common sense.
1) They "bought" their way into the videogame industry with the NES
2) SONY and MS were more gaming companies than Nintendo as they actually <gasp> made videogames.
3) The NES was not a risk
4) Making your games in house is not more noble than creating your portfolio by aquisition.
5) Apple bought their way into MP3 players
6) How dare a playing card printer enter Atari/Magnavox/Mattel's videogame industy?
http://www.gamebiz.com.au/handheld/news.php?action=display&id=7392
40% of nintendogs buyers are female
http://ds.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=2594
25-35 is the largest group.
I will try and find some world wide stats, those are hard to come by.
EDIT:http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-11722-1475-x-x-x
22% of ds owners are female
This is all japan by the way.
40% of nintendogs buyers are female
http://ds.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=2594
25-35 is the largest group.
I will try and find some world wide stats, those are hard to come by.
EDIT:http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-11722-1475-x-x-x
22% of ds owners are female
This is all japan by the way.
krypt0nian
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koam said:
I brought it up in responce to someone calling my comments retarded. Again please follow the thread before posting.
Monk said:
Uh...ok. The female stats are almost a "well no shit" line of thinking, but I still don't see any correlation between this and "DS is selling to non-gamers". Have they polled any of these people to see if they are non-gamers? Looking at the DS lineup, especially in Japan, and I see it as just really appealing to the gamers in those demographics. Especially Nintendogs/females.
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krypt0nian said:
and how does this::
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exonerate you?
krypt0nian
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koam said:
Wow are you dense.
I never said 3 and 5 & 6 were said ridiculing those points. SO STFU AND READ.
1 is a misquote as I said that they bought their way in just like SONY/MS. THey all had entry points. Nintendo with the arcade games, and SONY/MS with PC/etc games.
And 4 is undebateable fact. They are both commonplace biz moves and nothing in biz is inherently noble.
Now what? And again where you when the Nintendo fools were making the far more "retarded" claims earlier? Exactly.
Stop lying to get your way.
krypt0nian
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koam said:
Too bad laughing is all you accomplished. Try arguing without nostalgia and love for a souless company blinding you next time.
evilromero
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Of All Trades said:
The SMS isn't even a consideration in this regard. Sega clearly leveraged its 16-bit muscle during the NES era (documented). Even by the time the SNES arrived, many consumers felt less inclined to upgrade to Nintendo's new console because Sega had ushered in the next-gen early. Now that's not to say Nintendo didn't have momentum going into its 16-bit period. It did. And it had the benefit of a few key franchises under its belt that Sega lacked. But Sega quickly and tactfully secured an image associated with sports and maturity.
Now on to the GameCube. "A couple of half-assed titles" is just you dismissing a significant amount of important software. If it were simply "a couple of half-assed titles", then would you claim that a majority of the 400+ titles are first party? I don't know if you are intentionally avoiding substantial evidence of 3rd support (on the Cube), or that you are arguing the Cube's library just can't compete with the flood of PS2 soft. And to be clear, I'm not (nor was I in my original statement) comparing the Cube's library to that of the PS2, or even the Xbox. Nor would I claim that we can measure the quality of available soft accurately (something you did claim to do). Instead you said that there exists no real 3rd party support on the GameCube. To a certain degree this MAY be true. But that is only true when we compare the PS2 to the GameCube. Let's compare the N64 to the GameCube for a more accurate (considering this is the topic we're really trying to tackle here) measurement of improved relations and increased software.
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Ponn01 said:
i was bored. initially i just wanted to explain the difference between entering a market and buying your way into a new market. but it slipped my mind that his was a videogame message board, and i got a bit sucked into it.
forgive me great Ponn01. please.
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quadriplegicjon said:
initially i just wanted to explain the difference between entering a market and buying your way into a new market. but it slipped my mind that his was a videogame message board, and i got a bit sucked into it.
forgive me great Ponn01. please.
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I'm just getting tired of having to scroll down to find a REAL reply with the thread and not you three arguing.
ThunderEmperor
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i like rare but the take their fucking time, and in nintendo's case they were not profitable.Y2Kevbug11 said:
but in all fairness i take rare anyday over silicon kginht. the only game that will make me by 360 is killer instinct wooohooo
gamergirly
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Sathsquatch said:
Several have, but few outside of PS2 games and RE 4 on GC did. The point is that Xbox software sales, while better than GC, arent that much better. They're both doing poorly, but a good "poor" isnt "GOOD".
Also, there's nothing wrong with the Nintendo name. People have a much different opinion when looking at Gamecube versus N64 or at any of their handhelds. GC's reputation doesnt extend to any other hardware theyve created. The demographics reflects this. Revolution will distance itself from GC too if its marketing campaign does the job and the console continues to be different from its competitors.
MS lost 4 billion dollars to only sell a few more million Xbox systems than Nintendo did with GC. Where do you think GC would be if Nintendo had an additional 4 billion dollars to lose on the system? Who really were advantaged by losing 4 billion dollars? The stockholders/Nvidia OR MS?
As for this "I gave Nintendo a fair shot at the beginning of this generation", that's full BS. GC didnt develop its reputation as a "kiddie" system until early to mid 2003, which is also where sales started to drop noticeably. Until then, there were plenty of GC systems being sold and it also outsold Xbox consistently for several months. The N64 was a disappointment only to the egotistical people roaming messageboards like yourself.
I dont recall Nintendo games being a big disappointment on the system OR the system being a disappointment in general. Stop the fanboyish GC mudslinging.
krypt0nian
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koam said:But certainly you must have enjoyed reading through his comments
EDIT - nm
krypt0nian
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sp0rsk said:
Sorry exxy. I still think your butt is hot.
GitarooMan said:
This was a couple pages back, but I'm gonna make an attempt at answering.
For me (a Nintendo fan) I've been a fan since before the NES days (DK & Mario Bros. arcade, G&W) and why? Because I was/am a nerd. Nintendo made games for ME. And even to the point where I was ridiculed in school for liking games I felt like I was a "gaming OG". Then comes in Sega with the sports games (I'm not really a sports fan, I was/am a nerd afterall) and the attitude and all that hip jazz. Then there was a rivalry (ironically, much like a sports rivalry where two good teams compete for the hearts of their fans) between Nintendo & Sega. A rivalry rooted in arcade games (where Sega & Nintendo both sorta got their "starts" with their original fans) and amplified in home console gaming. You could be a fan of one or the other and "hate" the oppossing console, but you can't deny that both companies were good at making games. Thanks to Nintendo, gaming rose from the dead, thanks to Sega we saw gaming grow due to competition...and due to that rivalry we got the "golden age" of gaming.
After the "golden age" (SNES vs Genisis) non-gaming companies suddenly took heavy interest in gaming 'cos of the money Nintendo was making. Sony, especially, seemed interested in forming an "allience" with Nintendo to get their way into the industry. "Our" (the nerds) industry. For one, Sony was seen largely as a non-gaming company. Two, the whole Sony/Nintendo SNES CD-ROM add-on PlayStation was a fiasco. I followed it closely 'cos as it was happenning and was a big fan of Sony & Nintendo and a big fan of Sega getting their ass kicked by them. But, as I followed, it became clear that Sony & Nintendo's "partnership" was sour and when Sony walked away with their own game machine I felt betrayed. Third, when Sony ultimatly made the PlayStation popular...the most popular gaming system ever...the "betrayal" was amplified by their "Hollywoodization" of gaming...a past time that once belonged to just as nerds.
So, in conclusion, I think alot of the "console bigotry" stems from the fact that alot of us "gaming OG's" feel as though you "young punks" with your X-BOXEN and Playing Stations have stolen gaming from us nerds. You basturds!
Anyways, I used to be a BIG console racist who believed that Nintendo made no mistakes & that MS/Sony were the white devil's of the gaming world. Now I'm still a fan, but I'm more realistic and less fanatical!
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AssMan said:
heh most of you people are in for a rude awakening. By the time next gen is over the Rev would have outsold both the 360 and PS3 in Japan and America while it also gains second place in europe. If anything women, yes women who happen to be ahead of times when it comes to how games should be played will ensure that the Rev becomes a runaway success story.
This thread needs to be bookmarked for crow eating in the year 2007.
I think its safe to say you're all wrong. Console wars never play out in exactly the same way GAF pundits predict it to be, usually based on flawed models, projections and thinly veiled rooting for one particular console over another. The DS v PSP debacle obviously haven't taught anyone anything.
And to throw in my own crow eating into the ring, PS3 will wipe the floor with 360 ww, Revolution will do much better than its detractors think it will. Lastly Microsoft will get a larger market share, but not the breakthrough they hope for.
I think its safe to say you're all wrong. Console wars never play out in exactly the same way GAF pundits predict it to be, usually based on flawed models, projections and thinly veiled rooting for one particular console over another. The DS v PSP debacle obviously haven't taught anyone anything.
And to throw in my own crow eating into the ring, PS3 will wipe the floor with 360 ww, Revolution will do much better than its detractors think it will. Lastly Microsoft will get a larger market share, but not the breakthrough they hope for.
Gaia Theory
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Nintendo for the win!
SotC makes every nintendo rant mute on tuesday.
serouisly who the fuck are they trying to kid? Pump out another Mario Street Walker, then tell us that people are getting bored with games. How about another pokemon game using GBC graphics! yeah! Fuck these mother fuckers. They are not trying to save the industry, they are trying to stack MORE MONEY in thier bank.
serouisly who the fuck are they trying to kid? Pump out another Mario Street Walker, then tell us that people are getting bored with games. How about another pokemon game using GBC graphics! yeah! Fuck these mother fuckers. They are not trying to save the industry, they are trying to stack MORE MONEY in thier bank.
norinrad21 said:
Its not as if Microsoft and Sony are clueless when it comes to knowing their markets. Nintendo are still in that bad situation where if these females even remotely look around and see similiar games on the other systems,theyre going to go with a better selection of offerings then. Nintendo may ignore their own awful 3rd party situation,but this new breed of gamer you speak about more than likely won't.
So in the end-whats the point of trying to bring in some new type of gamer when they don't have the more attractive 3rd party companies to substain them over the long haul? Sony and Microsoft would go after that market and more than likely have fun pickings at Nintendo's expense.
Deku said:
No it won't, because the detractors know exactly how popular Nintendo is now and what Nintendo can do at its absolute best. There's no mystery here. Big bang at the beginning, lagging sales so price drop, then repackage. That applies to Nintendo hardware and software. I'll give the Revolution a 2 and 1/2 year life before Nintendo has to start dropping it to embarrassing prices, and I'm prepared to eat crow.
Flo_Evans said:
Well, to be fair, SotC is a major release. The same can be said about any company's major release compared to a strawman scenario.
And of course, the irony of your argument is that the derivative products you accuse Nintendo of manufacturing actually sell extremely well. So they probably aren't getting their ideas about people getting bored from those games, because they clearly aren't.
speevy said:
I'm counting on it! Just make sure to bookmark this thread.
Sathsquatch
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As someone else in this thread has already pointed out, the Xbox has consisently gotten multiple titles into the top 10 selling games for any given week this year. Your belief that the Xbox is not selling software as well as it should at this point in its lifecycle is factually incorrect.gamergirly said:
I don't care about MS's losses. They were due MS's poor preparation when entering the console domain, but they have nothing to do with me. The Xbox was a good deal for me, the consumer, and I like that. The hardware advantage that MS bought with that money was relatively small. If the inferior PS2 could outsell the Xbox, the slightly inferior GC should have had no problem taking on the Xbox.
It's funny that you label me egotistical when you are the one claiming some kind of moral authority to attack me personally over some dispute about Nintendo. I used to defend Nintendo like that, but I tried to stop getting personal about these little internet arguments. It's just not worth it. I don't know what kind of emotional attachment you have to Nintendo, and I'm sorry if I offended you.
You still like Nintendo. Great, good for you. That means almost nothing in the context of this argument. Some people will remain loyal to Nintendo to the end for whatever reason, but a number of people become disillusioned with their bizarre philosophies and self-absorption. You don't have to look very far to see a number of people on this very board that are vocally disatisfied with their GCN's. Nintendo has lost their business and mine. More importantly, Nintendo has disatisfied large numbers of consumers each generation as evidenced by the fact that they have sold (in absolute terms and in terms of marketshare) fewer consoles each generation.
I'm currently an Xbox fan, but I used to be a huge Nintendo fan. I convinced no fewer than four people to buy Gamecubes in a single winter. I even went as far as to research deals for them so they could get the system for cheap. I've read enough about Nintendo in the last few years to change my mind about them. As a software developer, Nintendo has not really lived up to the high standards they set for themselves during previous generations. SMS, Zelda TWW, and their other titles are good but not nearly as exciting as their previous generation games. Nintendo could easily have done more to earn third party support or at least tried to fund more new IP's or done SOMETHING to make up for the lackluster third party support.
Nintendo rips people off to protect their bottom line, and I don't have to like it. Nintendo constantly resells their games on new platforms without even packaging them together as compilations, like other companies do. Now they expect consumers to pay the same price for "smaller games" to lower the cost of development. I hold Nintendo to the same standards that I hold any other company, and they aren't providing the same value as anyone else right now. I criticize them and their fanbase because I don't like people supporting this nonsense.
monkeyrun said:
:lol Look man-there is no quick fix for Nintendo. You can't put a band aid over a gaping wound. Competition is very cut throat. If Nintendo come up with any great strategy to move the market in their favor-do you think its a check mate? Its far from that.
You have to keep your strategy long term,and as someone above me explained it very well,it more than likely won't be long before we see the usual mad dash out of the gates with Nintendo's next launch. But that eventually their honeymoon will come crashing down with numerous price drops and software droughts.
I'm not speaking anything mind boggling'we;veall seen it for 2 generatons with Nintendo now,they refuse to change their ways. But the public do. They speak loudly,and until things change at Nintendo it will be the same old story for them.
And as you tried to emply above-Its not because *I have said it* either,nope. its a trend we've seen since 1996 with Nintendo. If they don't want to change,then why should we play by Nintendo's beliefes then? Sony and Microsoft have prooven that theyre out to meet peoples needs,it should not be the other way around like it is at Nintendo.