Mookie1515
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True, assumption made they couldn't read Japanese, but its also supremely less frustrating to play.
But, true on it looking and sounding like butt compared to the PS2 version.
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The Sordid History of Suda 51's "Kill The Past" saga
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True, assumption made they couldn't read Japanese, but its also supremely less frustrating to play.
But, true on it looking and sounding like butt compared to the PS2 version.
I'm fine with games that are mostly just narrative focused. I'm a fan of VNs and of any sort of experimental narrative structure. I was an English major, and I'm an English teacher now, so I eat this stuff up.
But those puzzles tho.
cj_iwakura
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Then you'll love FSR if you pay close attention. And you'll enjoy K7's throwbacks, too!
cj_iwakura
Member
Forgot one very crucial bit of info about Tetsuguro Kusabi from The Silver Case.
Tetsuguro Kusabi
He also appears at the very end of FSR, revealing that he has been there all along... masquerading as Peter Bocchwinkur.
Quite possibly the coolest moment in the entire game.
And the last bit is straight out of TSC.
Tetsuguro Kusabi
He also appears at the very end of FSR, revealing that he has been there all along... masquerading as Peter Bocchwinkur.
Quite possibly the coolest moment in the entire game.
And the last bit is straight out of TSC.
cj_iwakura
Member
Some fun images from my current playthrough of TSC:
Damn it, Sumio, wake up!
Slacker.
At least his co-workers keep busy!
Damn it, Sumio, wake up!
Slacker.
At least his co-workers keep busy!
cj_iwakura
Member
Just picked up the only 'Suda' game I haven't played.
So what the hell, I'll do a write-up on it too at some point.
It would be absolutely hilarious if it turns out to be a KTP game. Could be a great psychological horror about a deranged cheerleader.
Not holding my breath, though.
So what the hell, I'll do a write-up on it too at some point.
It would be absolutely hilarious if it turns out to be a KTP game. Could be a great psychological horror about a deranged cheerleader.
Not holding my breath, though.
cj_iwakura
Member
The end of Chapter 2 was very poignant.
As far as I can tell, the murder victim was a child, and you spend most of the case investigating the apartment where his friend lives.
(Is that Stephen Charbonie from FSR!?)
Parade is coming soon . .
Er, should I talk about TSC here or in the TSC thread? Could go either way I guess.
As far as I can tell, the murder victim was a child, and you spend most of the case investigating the apartment where his friend lives.
(Is that Stephen Charbonie from FSR!?)
Parade is coming soon . .
Er, should I talk about TSC here or in the TSC thread? Could go either way I guess.
cj_iwakura
Member
Forgive the triple post, but WOW. This game just pulled a Killer7 tonal shift.
(The same scene as this!)
Young Magus
Junior Member
Nice work if I say so myself.
Good Work on the OP, big fan of the OST's especially since I'm also a fan of Takada's current works
No..no he meant it literally. You'll literally be holding forward for 10 straight minutes every chapters to walk from one point of the island to another one. And that (the tediousness) was done by design.
Because Suda51 is a big ass troll
cj_iwakura
Member
Henceforth any grouped-together connections and writings will be in this thread(i.e. the forthcoming Killer7/NMH/KID write-up), while individual stuff will be in respective threads(FSR/TSC/etc.).
This is the last thing I'll say on Lollipop Chainsaw in this thread: it's easily the worst GHM game I've ever played. I'll see it through, though. Not awful, but easily the worst.
I dig the story and aesthetics, but the gameplay is pure janky mediocrity.
This is the last thing I'll say on Lollipop Chainsaw in this thread: it's easily the worst GHM game I've ever played. I'll see it through, though. Not awful, but easily the worst.
I dig the story and aesthetics, but the gameplay is pure janky mediocrity.
cj_iwakura
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Oh my god, I must have it.
The forthcoming Art of Grasshopper artbook covers The Silver Case.
The forthcoming Art of Grasshopper artbook covers The Silver Case.
A must play for lovers of pink crocodiles all over the world.
cj_iwakura
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Eolz
Member
Oh my god, I must have it.
The forthcoming Art of Grasshopper artbook covers The Silver Case.
Oh yeah, I have the book, it's really good.
The best part is that at the end, unlike the huge majority of japanese artbooks, all the tidbits about games are translated in english. Really nice.
edit: scans aren't allowed, but could probably give some details.
cj_iwakura
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How comprehensive is the TSC section? The sections in general?
Is FSR included? Is that the Japanese book, or is it being localized?
Lastly, how'd you get it?
Eolz
Member
Japanese book, not localized and I don't think it will be: there's already a lot translated and there's a preface and postface from Suda 51 that are both in japanese and english. You can feel he wanted to do that for his international fanbase.
They advertised the Amazon JP link to buy it (ships internationally) but I bought it on CDJapan. Amazon JP's shipping is really expensive and only worth it if there's a good deal there or no stock elsewhere. It's probably available on other websites.
For the sections: every game apart from Shining Soul 1/2 is included (took a picture, think it's ok but put it as a link just in case), but some obviously aren't as in-depth as others.
Diabolical Pitch is just half of a page whereas Killer 7 has 28 pages of artwork and text for example.
FSR is 10 pages, but really good (character design, his thoughts on the game...).
The Silver Case is really great though: 24 pages printed on special paper at the end. He also repeats he would still like this game to be released overseas one day (he got a localization offer from a Spanish company) and that it's really important to him and grasshopper (first original title and their debut game).
A must-have and worth the price if you're a fan of Suda51, Grasshopper and their games. Just don't expect something dedicated to a single game, it's about the company and their games as a whole.
cj_iwakura
Member
That's what I expected, and what I want to hear.
I'm ecstatic he still wants TSC localized. I hope he gets on it. 3DS, Suda. Digital. Hell, Vita. Whatever. Do it.
Nice, it even covers Michigan, Samurai Champloo, and Blood! Looks like a must-own.
EdibleKnife
Member
I'm a big big fan of this type of cross series, expanded storytelling. Only games of Suda's under my belt are NMH and Shadows of the Damned but I've been inspired to look into the lore of the other games now.
Hmm...I wonder how Let It Die will fit into all this...
Hmm...I wonder how Let It Die will fit into all this...
cj_iwakura
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Nothing has really fit into the mythos since Killer7 besides NMH 1 and maybe Killer Is Dead. I wouldn't expect jack from Let It Die.
Honestly shocked it's even in the book, but it looks insanely thorough. It even has Evangelion: Sound Impact!
cj_iwakura
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FYI, with shipping, Amazon.jp is only $33. Not bad at all. Seems much faster than CDJ, too.
Eolz
Member
Nice. It probably depends on the size and number & items, as well as where you live (France when I did last time). Didn't try for this one, good deal indeed.
cj_iwakura
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I'm in Florida, so maybe that helped. It says I should get it fast, too. I'll share thoughts once I get it.
I'm also going to try to clean up this article for some TSC/FSR coverage at HG101, so please understand/be excited/etc.
Probably not doing Syndrome yet, that entails, what, five games?
cj_iwakura
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Got mine after three days. Crazy.
Going through it now. A little disappointed that Killer Is Dead isn't comprehensive(they left out the badass earlier concept art), and that Lily Bergamo is on the curb, but oh well. I'll share more thoughts after I read the rest.
Notably absent:
In, but edited:
Heh:
Oh, what might have been.
How much are we allowed to share from the contents? Not like the classic art isn't widely available in the wild.
I think this warrants a thread all its own, if there's interest.
Going through it now. A little disappointed that Killer Is Dead isn't comprehensive(they left out the badass earlier concept art), and that Lily Bergamo is on the curb, but oh well. I'll share more thoughts after I read the rest.
Notably absent:
In, but edited:
Heh:
Oh, what might have been.
How much are we allowed to share from the contents? Not like the classic art isn't widely available in the wild.
I think this warrants a thread all its own, if there's interest.
cj_iwakura
Member
It is very nice. The Sine Mora section is beautiful. I can't wait until the NMH/TSC section.
cj_iwakura
Member
Oh god, WHYYYYYY.
I'm at the TSC section, which is gorgeous, but...
God I wish I had not read this.
DAMN IT ALL, SUDA.
It's actually cheaper to import the Japanese version from amazon.jp.
I'm at the TSC section, which is gorgeous, but...
God I wish I had not read this.
DAMN IT ALL, SUDA.
It's actually cheaper to import the Japanese version from amazon.jp.
cj_iwakura
Member
Flower Sun and Rain was localized for the DS. Otherwise, nope. We're working on a translation for Moonlight Syndrome and aspire to do TSC one day.
Oh god dammit we were so close to TSC...
Does the Japanese copy of the artbook have English text too?
Flower Sun and Rain has an official release and translation and Moonlight Syndrome is currently having a translation being done right here
Michigan Report from Hell also has an English release, but it's Europe only. (I don't think it really counts because he didn't direct it buuut it's still interesting).
i just learned i can't link for shit that was like five edits
Does the Japanese copy of the artbook have English text too?
Flower Sun and Rain has an official release and translation and Moonlight Syndrome is currently having a translation being done right here
Michigan Report from Hell also has an English release, but it's Europe only. (I don't think it really counts because he didn't direct it buuut it's still interesting).
i just learned i can't link for shit that was like five edits
EVA UNIT 01
Member
I remember playing K7 as a young teen and not knowing wtf was happening but loving every second of it.
It put Suda on my map.
To this day ive played it several times and each time i feel that ive processed it a bit better.
This is like opening the floodgates though.
It put Suda on my map.
To this day ive played it several times and each time i feel that ive processed it a bit better.
This is like opening the floodgates though.
cj_iwakura
Member
The text in the back is extremely fascinating. Suda(or whoever wrote it) is very candid about the developers he worked with. He says that EA was a very 'macho' company and made Shadows of the Damned go through five drafts to the point that he felt like he had done five different games.
Sheesh. They told him that in Hollywood, if it couldn't be told in the length of an elevator ride, they wouldn't use it, so he scrapped most of his ideas.
Damn EA.
Sheesh. They told him that in Hollywood, if it couldn't be told in the length of an elevator ride, they wouldn't use it, so he scrapped most of his ideas.
Damn EA.
cj_iwakura
Member
Wow. His assorted thoughts on all those games are like a window to Suda's soul. Lots of fodder for discussion which more than warrants its own thread.
Great Thread. Really considering going after Moonlight Syndrome and TSC to play it. Haven't read any spoiler yet.
I also learned of Suda51 by playing Killer 7 and very few games managed to make such an impression on me. I tried to play FSR, but didn't played it for too long.
Really wish he does eventually come back to this mystery type of game soon.
I also learned of Suda51 by playing Killer 7 and very few games managed to make such an impression on me. I tried to play FSR, but didn't played it for too long.
Really wish he does eventually come back to this mystery type of game soon.
Holy shit.... Would love to play all of those. I only played all games available in europe... Flower sun and rain is unplayable on the ds. The riddles make no sense and i dont know anyone who ever played this game despite there is no real clue what is going on in this game... You definitely need to play this in japanese since the original makes, i suppose, more sense.
cj_iwakura
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Never saw these before, from Tumblr:
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I don't know how this thread has creeped past me so times. I wish Silver Case (and the Twilight Syndrome games beyond Moonlight) were translated, but alas.
I own most of Suda's catalog, but haven't played his older stuff in the hope I can play through the Kill The Past saga in order, actually.
I own most of Suda's catalog, but haven't played his older stuff in the hope I can play through the Kill The Past saga in order, actually.
Sumio Mondo
Member
I hope someone tackles these games for fan translation one day. I saw that CJ (the OP) was possibly doing it at one point [I've seen the last time the Moonlight Syndrome english translation blog was updated was back in Oct 2013...she got up to Chapter 5, nothing since], but seems to have abandoned it now, which is a shame.
Ah well, hopefully Suda follows through on releasing The Silver Case one day. He's made the promise enough times now. Maybe for their 20th Anniversary?
Ah well, hopefully Suda follows through on releasing The Silver Case one day. He's made the promise enough times now. Maybe for their 20th Anniversary?
cj_iwakura
Member
Vermillion is still doing it, she updated a few weeks ago. She's also our translator.
Sumio Mondo
Member
Oh really? Excellent. I can imagine you've got your hands full though. Shadowrun SEGA CD and Sakura Wars are awesome picks, so good on ya, man.
Somewhat related... Suda is writing a manga called "Kurayami Dance" and the protagonist looks an awful lot like an early concept for Garcia Hotspur as in the art book. Curious to see what the manga is about.
https://twitter.com/suda_51/status/631726149777821697/photo/1
https://twitter.com/suda_51/status/631726149777821697/photo/1
cj_iwakura
Member
Couple interesting updates.
For one, Paradise Hotel is updating their site:
http://www.paradisehotel51.com/ts.html
New Twilight Syndrome and Killer7 sections, the rest is pending. And through that, I learned this.
Killer7 vets: remember this scene? Blink and you might have missed it, and you probably easily overlooked it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHUYk4M_7z8
Guess who.
Moonlight Syndrome's Mithra, an eerie god who torments the main character(s).
For one, Paradise Hotel is updating their site:
http://www.paradisehotel51.com/ts.html
New Twilight Syndrome and Killer7 sections, the rest is pending. And through that, I learned this.
Killer7 vets: remember this scene? Blink and you might have missed it, and you probably easily overlooked it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHUYk4M_7z8
Guess who.
Moonlight Syndrome's Mithra, an eerie god who torments the main character(s).
So I wanted to breathe a bit of new life into this older thread.
I had never really gotten the chance to play the Kill The Past games until recently, but with last year's steam release of TSC, my interest had been rekindled. I had touched Killer7 before played maybe the first two levels, but never owned it myself. Similarly, I did have NMH, but never finished it. With the recent PS4 release of TSC, I jumped at the opportunity to hop on this crazy train.
TSC was an absolute work of art. I've seriously never played anything like it, and bought a few copies for my friends because I was just so excited about it. The unique styles of writing in Transmitter and Placebo create an atmosphere of mystery, while keeping the player engaged with the characters surrounding that mystery. Seriously, this game has some of the best dialogue I've ever seen in a game. According to The Art of Grasshopper Manufacture, SUDA set out to make an adventure game that was like none that had ever been made before, and I'd say he knocked it out of the park. There's not a lot I can really say without getting into spoiler territory, but this is a very special game.
Once I had completed TSC, I was hungry for more, and hopped right on to Amazon to order FSR. This was a game I had a really hard time wrapping my head around, but by the end, all I felt was complete engagement. It continued the style of TSC's progression, where most of the game is focused on setting up the setting and exploring the characters and their unique place in the world. A lot of time and care is put into the careful crafting of their personalities. The main plot takes almost a backseat role for most of the game, but it all feels so natural you barely notice. The writing is SUDA all the way, and it very much did not disappoint.
Finally, I picked up Killer7 as soon as I could. I'm going to keep this one short because I'm planning on creating an informative Let's Play on it, but this game was the real payoff of the whole series for me. The tone was spot on, the characters are fantastic, all the scenes are so off-the-wall while managing to remain deathly serious when it needs to be. In short, this is basically the game I've wanted to make myself for my entire life.
So that's about all right there; I wanted to make this post in the hopes that, since most of these games are now easily available in the West, someone might see it and decide to give it a shot. Kill The Past is such an interesting and captivating series that really deserves to be enjoyed.
I had never really gotten the chance to play the Kill The Past games until recently, but with last year's steam release of TSC, my interest had been rekindled. I had touched Killer7 before played maybe the first two levels, but never owned it myself. Similarly, I did have NMH, but never finished it. With the recent PS4 release of TSC, I jumped at the opportunity to hop on this crazy train.
TSC was an absolute work of art. I've seriously never played anything like it, and bought a few copies for my friends because I was just so excited about it. The unique styles of writing in Transmitter and Placebo create an atmosphere of mystery, while keeping the player engaged with the characters surrounding that mystery. Seriously, this game has some of the best dialogue I've ever seen in a game. According to The Art of Grasshopper Manufacture, SUDA set out to make an adventure game that was like none that had ever been made before, and I'd say he knocked it out of the park. There's not a lot I can really say without getting into spoiler territory, but this is a very special game.
Once I had completed TSC, I was hungry for more, and hopped right on to Amazon to order FSR. This was a game I had a really hard time wrapping my head around, but by the end, all I felt was complete engagement. It continued the style of TSC's progression, where most of the game is focused on setting up the setting and exploring the characters and their unique place in the world. A lot of time and care is put into the careful crafting of their personalities. The main plot takes almost a backseat role for most of the game, but it all feels so natural you barely notice. The writing is SUDA all the way, and it very much did not disappoint.
Finally, I picked up Killer7 as soon as I could. I'm going to keep this one short because I'm planning on creating an informative Let's Play on it, but this game was the real payoff of the whole series for me. The tone was spot on, the characters are fantastic, all the scenes are so off-the-wall while managing to remain deathly serious when it needs to be. In short, this is basically the game I've wanted to make myself for my entire life.
So that's about all right there; I wanted to make this post in the hopes that, since most of these games are now easily available in the West, someone might see it and decide to give it a shot. Kill The Past is such an interesting and captivating series that really deserves to be enjoyed.