Will you be posting a review on ZTGD, Slasher?
The Surge - Behind the scenes
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Will you be posting a review on ZTGD, Slasher?
SlasherJPC
Banned
I do not write for them anymore. I might consider a video depending how much time and how far I get. I can say though Im def diggimg this sci fi souls like game.
Mr_Kuschels
Member
Knowing the game was made buy the guys who made Lords of the Fallen, I wasn't really expecting a lot, but reading those early impressions makes me hopeful that this might be a sleeper hit. I'm excited for the reviews.
Even after DS3 and Nioh I'm still not burned out by Souls like games.
Even after DS3 and Nioh I'm still not burned out by Souls like games.
GwyndolinCinder
Member
Friend has just finished, only
bosses wtf!
No wonder they only showed the start of the game.
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No wonder they only showed the start of the game.
GwyndolinCinder
Member
lmao this video is very helpful after my post xD
edit: Well dam that was basically a review. Sounds like its not for me at all, without boss fights i won't ever have any reason to replay it.
Kinda sounds like those first person dungeon crawlers.
Very detailed and informative video. It really sounds like The Surge distinguishes itself from DS in many ways. Pretty much all of the impressions that I've seen have been positive. This is looking good.
texhnolyze
Banned
Maybe there are optional bosses that he/she missed?
No it doesn't distinguish itself that much at all. This game is absolutely a Souls type of game.
I'm not saying it's not a Souls type game. But there are enough differences between them to distinguish The Surge as more than just a Souls clone. The Skill Up video makes that abundantly clear.
It definitely does. I'm just past the second boss and in the third area of the game, and it most certainly distinguishes itself from souls games. Sure, Souls is most certainly an inspiration, but the systems present here with the various implants, how you level your core, weapon and armor acquiring and upgrading, all of that is done differently, and it just works within the context of the game.
Also, even though the game is separated into "areas," those areas have a lot of interconnectivity within them, meaning there are a lot of shortcuts to be discovered. Which I think Souls 1 fans will be happy about.
There are bosses. I don't think he ever said there aren't. They're just not the only focus, but rather the difficult trek to get to them.
Also, something I'd like to add as a counterpoint to his statement regarding running past enemies and not fighting them is the better thing to do since they're so hard. I mean, yes, when you first enter a new area, enemies are definitely hard, and it takes a bit to kill them. However, as you level up, use new implants, upgrade your weapons, those trash mobs will literally become trash mobs, dead in 2-3 hits. This game also uses the "Souls" multiplier where the longer you keep killing enemies for, the more "souls" you get per kill, incentivizing you to keep on fighting. I'll admit that once I have an area down, and just want to make my way to the boss, I don't waste my time and run straight for the door, but otherwise, since combat is so fun, I'd recommend just fighting things.
I'd say the only way it distinguishes itself is within the combat and how you gather gear. Other than that it absolutely is a Souls game.
More_Badass
Member
Those are some really promising impressions. Sounds like they really did a huge upgrade from LoTF and carved out their own unique Soulslike style.
The less focus on bosses is a huge plus for me. I've always like the boss designs in Dark Souls but I much prefer the regular enemy combat over the boss fights
And level design and overall gameplay focus and the approach to enemy combat and stat/skill progression. Did you watch the video where he compares and contrasts the two?
I never said it's not. But just how Nioh distinguishes itself with different systems, even though it's clearly a Souls game, The Surge does the same.
Magic Mushroom
Member
Sounds good, even though bosses are my favorite thing about Soulsborne games.
More_Badass
Member
Yes, Soulslike
Like "Rogue"-like
The subgenre isnt really going to progress if people arent going to get past that having a similar structure doesnt make it a "clone".
I'm confused by this. You want the subgenre to progress, but when a game within that subgenre changes some of the core mechanics to make it stand out and be more unique, that's not progressing the genre? If you change it up too much, then it's not that subgenre anymore, and hence, you can't progress it.
I've reviewed the game.
If you think the level design and the approach to enemies is anything majorly different to a Souls game then you'll be seriously disappointed.
More_Badass
Member
I mean, the general acceptance and mindset regarding them
Like how "Doom clones" evolved into first person shooters after that general formula got expanded and evolved a bit. Or how the Roguelike subgenre has grown as much as it has
Right now, a game like this gets "it's just a Souls game" treatment, The Souls game have basically crafted their own unique subgenre, so the fact that the games share similar elements and general structure isnt a black spot but a defining feature that helps place such games in that subgenre
GwyndolinCinder
Member
Nope.
As i posted shortly before that, i know how many. But a handful is no where near enough for me.
Game is very similar to a handcrafted Let It Die but thats not very interesting to me.
SocksAndShoes
Banned
Apologies if I've missed it but any idea how this runs on PS4 Pro? If it's a solid 60fps I'm probably going to grab this.
They mention in the Giantbomb quick look that the pro has a 60fps mode.
SocksAndShoes
Banned
Interesting comparison. I didn't like Let it die at all, but I'm really enjoying my time with The Surge. I can see some of the comparisons, sure, but I think the structure of The Surge is a lot stronger than Let it Die.
Nice vid. Intresting to hear about the way it set up. Good to see more games like Souls and with still slighty different idea. Looks like it will be a solid game. Only good for the genre.
SlasherJPC
Banned
Having played the game about 5 hours. I'd say of course it wears souls on its sleaves but the way targeting limbs plays a factor into enemy difficulty and getting gear. Thats a huge change and one that really changes the dynamic of fighting and risk versus reward. That plus the upgrades and crafting. It def had a unique flavor of it own. I mean there is even simplistic dialog trees with npcs. This is turning into a treat. The first area has a lot of shortcuts that all tied back into the area but the second area so far has beem ansolutely massive and I found my first shortcut finally here that made me say whoaaaaaa.
Agreed! There's a lot of those "whoaaaaa" shortcut moments, which I think DS1 players will really like. But overall, your assessment is spot on with mine. Souls-like but with its own twist.
I'm not sure, I think Nioh was the hardest game for me, at least in the beginning, and getting used to it. Surge so far has been pretty manageable.
Nice.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Awesome video, after watching just a couple of minutes I instantly subsribed. These are the type of reviewers I really look forward to. Very informative while giving various viewpoints. Thanks for providing that.
Glad I watched this because now I know this game isn't for me. I love the fact we have the Dark Soul games and others like Bloodborne and Demon Souls but they are just too aggravating for me. I did finish Demon Souls but it was such a huge undertaking to the point of exhausting. I grew up with the whole Battletoads difficulty type of games so I can see the appeal but as I have grown older I guess I have either grown less patient or just don't have the time with so many other things to play.
Bloodporne
Member
Well, at least it looks like a step up from Lords of the Fallen, that's for sure. Is there gonna be a demo?
Those guys are dicks. You can lure one out with the drone but as soon as combat starts the other comes running.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned, but when the game goes into the slow-mo sequences for finishers if you pause the game it gives you camera controls to set up a dramatic screenshot.
DevilTakoyaki
Member
About to kill the 4th boss and then... the game crashed. Well, I guess it's time for me to go to sleep then.
The sheer volume of Bosses in DS2 killed any motivation I had to ever replay it. Just too many. Maybe there's a happy medium somewhere, but like I said, I'm happy with single digit Bosses.
If I had to guess, I'd say it's been a precise choice, somewhat dictated by the relatively realistic and grounded style they went for. LotF or even Venetica showed that the devs can come up with some interesting vistas if they want to.
Good to hear. I know this probably isn't going to be up there with From's games in terms of absolute quality, but the fact that they're trying to seriously shake up, if not improve, the formula certainly deserves recognition, especially since they're a small-medium sized developer without an enormous budget at their disposal.
Meanwhile, as good and finely polished as they are, one could argue the Souls games are the same since 2009.
More_Badass
Member
Same. I like the bosses in Souls and Bloodborne, especially the spectacular design of the towering monster ones, but I find fighting through enemies between bosses much more thrilling than the boss fights. Beating a boss is the most satisfying, but getting better and better and fighting through tough enemies more effectively is the long-term thrill that keeps bringing me back to the Souls games' combat.
Sanctuary
Member
I'm not sure why so many people are either ignoring, or simply forgot that Ninja Gaiden existed years before Demon's Souls. Nioh was obviously "influenced" in numerous ways by the FROM games, but it's not like they didn't already have their own foundation that they used to form the hybrid of a game that it turned out to be. This has nothing to do with The Surge though, since it's quite obvious where all of their ideas came from.
Regardless, as someone who didn't absolutely hate Lords of the Fallen, and actually mostly enjoyed my first playthrough (and then learned how to utterly break the game like Captain America), I've been looking forward to this game for a while. It's good to see that it so far seems like it will be living up to (my) expectations.
Gamersyde has some Pro footage up
Performance mode
http://www.gamersyde.com/hqstream_the_surge_ps4_pro_performance_intro-39850_en.html
http://www.gamersyde.com/hqstream_the_surge_ps4_pro_performance_gameplay-39851_en.html
Quality mode
http://www.gamersyde.com/hqstream_the_surge_ps4_pro_quality_boss_1-39862_en.html
Performance mode
http://www.gamersyde.com/hqstream_the_surge_ps4_pro_performance_intro-39850_en.html
http://www.gamersyde.com/hqstream_the_surge_ps4_pro_performance_gameplay-39851_en.html
Quality mode
http://www.gamersyde.com/hqstream_the_surge_ps4_pro_quality_boss_1-39862_en.html
RedAssedApe
Banned
i think if tells an interesting sci-fi story i'll be interested in it. the premise seems interesting?
for those who have played it...is there like a decent story going on there?
for those who have played it...is there like a decent story going on there?
BLAUcopter
Member
This game kinda crept up out of nowhere for me and now I'm super pumped for it lol. Looks nuts!