HarryDemeanor
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Waiting on the Panos Phone before moving onto the big dogs.
The Verge: Windows Phone is dead
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Sir Abacus
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Lumia 1020 and Pureview 808. 1020 is at least two years old. It was discontinued instead of discounted.
Ninja Scooter
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How can you kill that which is already dead?
Does MS need to be in the phone market? Like even making android phones? It seems like such a race to the bottom for everyone not named Apple.
Does MS need to be in the phone market? Like even making android phones? It seems like such a race to the bottom for everyone not named Apple.
Windows Phone (7 and on) was amazing conceptually, but Microsoft handled it with astounding ineptitude at every point along the way.
First, it took them way too long to answer iPhone with WP7. They assumed Apple was zero threat to them in that space, and kept that assumption well into the "oh shit we're in trouble" stage.
Second, dead-ending WP7, with no upgrade option, shortly after its release. Sure, WP8 had much better underlying architecture, but it really was a kick in nuts to everyone who had just purchased a soon-to-be-abandoned WP7 phone.
Third, a lack of consistency. "Metro" was wonderful, until it "got noticed" internally and fell into the hands of designer after designer after designer and became completely adulterated.
Fourth, hardware partnerships sucked. All the big companies preferred the licence-free Android route, which they could throw their own hideous custom skins on, and only made token attempts at WP devices. Buying Nokia didn't do much to inspire anything there either.
Continuum is a really neat concept, but on ARM devices the average user will be disappointed that their x86 software doesn't work, and on x86 devices the average user will be disappointed by the lack of performance. It's still a few years from being ideally implemented.
So, will Microsoft stick with it? Who knows. It's got essentially the same codebase as Windows 10, so it doesn't take a ridiculous amount of effort to maintain, but it'll be a deadweight for them until good phone-sized hybrid device show up.
They have no choice, if they wanna keep Windows alive. Phones are evolving into people's primary device.
First, it took them way too long to answer iPhone with WP7. They assumed Apple was zero threat to them in that space, and kept that assumption well into the "oh shit we're in trouble" stage.
Second, dead-ending WP7, with no upgrade option, shortly after its release. Sure, WP8 had much better underlying architecture, but it really was a kick in nuts to everyone who had just purchased a soon-to-be-abandoned WP7 phone.
Third, a lack of consistency. "Metro" was wonderful, until it "got noticed" internally and fell into the hands of designer after designer after designer and became completely adulterated.
Fourth, hardware partnerships sucked. All the big companies preferred the licence-free Android route, which they could throw their own hideous custom skins on, and only made token attempts at WP devices. Buying Nokia didn't do much to inspire anything there either.
Continuum is a really neat concept, but on ARM devices the average user will be disappointed that their x86 software doesn't work, and on x86 devices the average user will be disappointed by the lack of performance. It's still a few years from being ideally implemented.
So, will Microsoft stick with it? Who knows. It's got essentially the same codebase as Windows 10, so it doesn't take a ridiculous amount of effort to maintain, but it'll be a deadweight for them until good phone-sized hybrid device show up.
They have no choice, if they wanna keep Windows alive. Phones are evolving into people's primary device.
Same here.
I stuck with WP because I'm a heavy user of Office 365, Outlook, Groove, OneCloud, etc. Now that all of those have good apps on other platforms I'm inclined to switch if the Surface Phone is anything less than awesome.
Lumia owner here.
Love the OS best phone one imo, but as we discussed in another WP thread earlier this week. The lack of apps slowly sunk the phone.
If and a it's a big one some sort of surface phone is coming at some point, MS really needs to make a strong effort to get app creators onboard.
Love the OS best phone one imo, but as we discussed in another WP thread earlier this week. The lack of apps slowly sunk the phone.
If and a it's a big one some sort of surface phone is coming at some point, MS really needs to make a strong effort to get app creators onboard.
Widgets.....widgets.,,,the things that provide at a glance information that is relevant without launching an app?
Nah, best place for those is hidden behind a pull down drawer and then tapping a button.
Smh Apple.
CharminUltra
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Google Glass getting some company soon.
Nah. People liked Windows Phone.
GameAddict411
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The 950 having an unfinished OS was a huge red flag. Microsoft should just focus on different things.
Given almost all Android phone manufacturers are losing money or in decline, there might really only be room for one.
A lot of these complaints/suggestions/ideas seem like the same things said over on the Blackberry team.
Each team declaring their OS the best "modern OS" of the age.
Some suggesting that somehow running/sideloading apps will save the situation. (Which it didn't for BB10, just fyi.)
The Surface Phone seems to me what the Passport was to Blackberry fans. A delusion at this point in time.
Each team declaring their OS the best "modern OS" of the age.
Some suggesting that somehow running/sideloading apps will save the situation. (Which it didn't for BB10, just fyi.)
The Surface Phone seems to me what the Passport was to Blackberry fans. A delusion at this point in time.
I've always really liked Windows Phone's OS and Nokia released some awesome hardware, but I simply can't live without the full Google suite of apps at this point. Had those made their way to WP I would've purchased one.
I've been on iOS for over a year now and it's unbelievably buggy/inefficient. I like Android, but only when it's vanilla and without all the mfg skin bullshit and that severely limits hardware choice for those of us that don't want to risk flashing a ROM. I wish Microsoft stepped their mobile game up.
I've been on iOS for over a year now and it's unbelievably buggy/inefficient. I like Android, but only when it's vanilla and without all the mfg skin bullshit and that severely limits hardware choice for those of us that don't want to risk flashing a ROM. I wish Microsoft stepped their mobile game up.
I wouldn't go that far. I've seen people on Crackberry that see lack of basic features and apps on BB10 as a plus. Those things would only distract them from work, and a Blackberry is supposed to be the ultimate productivity device. Hell, there are people that think the Priv is an elaborate plot to get people to notice BB10. I haven't seen that level of delusion on the Windows Phone side.
yongeandcollege
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what ever happened with the Ubuntu phone OS?
The newest update to Ubuntu Touch added support for custom ringtones and the ability to download a files from the browser app. Make of that what you will.
Fox Mulder
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I liked it, but the shit support and app ecosystem killed it for me. I jumped back to Android the day I could upgrade.
The OS was slick and distinctive. I loved the htc 8x for how slim it was.
The OS was slick and distinctive. I loved the htc 8x for how slim it was.
Unknown Soldier
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Nah, the Vita has games. Windows Phone doesn't have apps.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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It took a long time, but Maemo finally has its revenge.
Yep. Just bought a 550 for my mom and made the Phone button the largest thing on the damn screen.
Yep. Just bought a 550 for my mom and made the Phone button the largest thing on the damn screen.
The problem with Windows Phones?
Lumia 800 etc. had the best marketing and guess what? The OS was complete shit back then and there were SO MANY fundamental issues with the hardware (quite sound etc.)
Windows Phone needs a fucking HUGE redesign and they can't keep doing this whole 920 - 1020 - 930 - 950 etc. naming, it's stupid.
Surface Phone isn't a good idea either. You want something sexy. Something that isn't a fucking rectangle that apparently has a 29 megapixel camera that takes half a year for the photo to save.
MS has to get Android Apps running on their OS, package Groove with the phones, stop renaming the shit out of Groove (and other services too) and get their act together.
MS has done a great job at basically alienating everyone who likes Windows Phones. There is almost no reason to upgrade and they advertised WP8.1 (and 10) updates half a year before they hit, so everyone had to use shitty preview updates that destroy basic functionality.
Once Groove lets me download music on an iPhone offline (without me needing to save everything as a playlist), I'm done with it.
I like OneDrive etc. but honestly, none of these things I like about Windows Phone are USPs anymore. I can't recommend them.
Make something SEXY Microsoft, and drop the shit out of the ugly Lumia name. Leave Lumia for the low-end stuff.
Lumia 800 etc. had the best marketing and guess what? The OS was complete shit back then and there were SO MANY fundamental issues with the hardware (quite sound etc.)
Windows Phone needs a fucking HUGE redesign and they can't keep doing this whole 920 - 1020 - 930 - 950 etc. naming, it's stupid.
Surface Phone isn't a good idea either. You want something sexy. Something that isn't a fucking rectangle that apparently has a 29 megapixel camera that takes half a year for the photo to save.
MS has to get Android Apps running on their OS, package Groove with the phones, stop renaming the shit out of Groove (and other services too) and get their act together.
MS has done a great job at basically alienating everyone who likes Windows Phones. There is almost no reason to upgrade and they advertised WP8.1 (and 10) updates half a year before they hit, so everyone had to use shitty preview updates that destroy basic functionality.
Once Groove lets me download music on an iPhone offline (without me needing to save everything as a playlist), I'm done with it.
I like OneDrive etc. but honestly, none of these things I like about Windows Phone are USPs anymore. I can't recommend them.
Make something SEXY Microsoft, and drop the shit out of the ugly Lumia name. Leave Lumia for the low-end stuff.
supernormal
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WP used here. I loved my 920 and now my 830 but honestly the novelty of the OS and it's beautiful simplicity wear off when you realize down the line that you can't do anything without the proper apps.
The 2009 Zune web player still runs laps around the likes of popular music streaming web apps today. It's embarrassing. I have no idea how Microsoft shit the bed so hard with this stuff.
Spyder_Monkey
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Yeah but there needs to be competition and lower priced devices. That's where the second os comes in. Android is way to popular to not die.
Called it, but people were arguing with me about it lol:
Windows Phone users: go get yourself an Android to immediately increase your happiness x100.
Stop clinging to a dying platform that couldn't be more dead if it tried. Ditch it.
I did, and I was like the fucking limes guy with this whole new world of apps everywhere. It's seriously like night and day...I don't even consider Windows Phones a smartphone with the zero amount of apps it has.
Windows Phone users: go get yourself an Android to immediately increase your happiness x100.
Stop clinging to a dying platform that couldn't be more dead if it tried. Ditch it.
I did, and I was like the fucking limes guy with this whole new world of apps everywhere. It's seriously like night and day...I don't even consider Windows Phones a smartphone with the zero amount of apps it has.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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To be fair, Microsoft has a huge perception problem that I just don't think they can fix. Zune was shat on from day one because "lol lame M$ ripping off Apple, no thanks, I'll keep my iPod/iTunes" and from that point that brand was basically dead on arrival.
They're never going to catch on in any of these markets, even if they put out something genuinely fantastic, because they aren't "cool" enough.
MS could release the best cell phone ever tomorrow, with the best OS, the best default apps, full Android app support, and somehow impossibly support iOS apps because this is a magical theoretical world, and people would still pass because Microsoft is boring and lame.
AstroNut325
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I had a Windows Phone once. It was awful.
Samsung Focus with WP7.5 and 7.8
wesleyshark
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I don't care the Lumia 1520 is still the best phone I've ever owned. It's seriously one hell of a device, through and through. I have an android tablet also, so it's the best of both worlds.
I feel MS, Amazon, Cyanogen and others need to swallow their dreams of an owned OS and form some sort of coalition to take back Android from Google. Just fork that shit, rebrand to get around Google's shitty monopoly rules over manufacturers and make some handset partnerships. I want to see some scorched earth, if we can't profit, nobody can attitude because at this rate everyone is just going to get squeezed out at the app store level as the iOS/Android duopoly further entrenches itself with defaults.
Maybe, but half the people here who to go Android come back months later because they don't like it as much. :Shrugs
I'm not delusional about W10M and it's future. I like what I have now, and hopefully that will continue; but if it doesn't, I'll look for something else. For now, nothing is appealing enough for me to leave.
Not really. This isn't because there are 3 separate OS, it's that Windows phone never offered anything better than their competitors. Why do people pick Android devices? It's not because their phone is now Android lollipop soon to be Marshmallow which is better than ice cream sandwich and kitkat etc. It's because people wanted to own a Samsung device, something sleek, modern, powerful.
Microsoft has been middling with Nokia. Look at their recent change around with Surface Book and Surface Pro 4, for the first time, people are debating whether to get one of those rather than a MacBook.
They kept delaying Windows 10 for mobile for so long as well. Get full integration and working with Windows 10 PC and Xbox One, maybe you could see greater change. Work with the top app developers, get versions out. People want the illusion of a lot of apps, even though they'll rarely download anything more than Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat and Whatsapp or the handful of top games.
TheBryanJZX90
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I mean, I know what apps are. I had an iPhone before I got a Windows Phone, I have an iPad, I play around with my wife's iPhone. I still like the overall experience on Windows Phone better for the things I use a smartphone for 90% of the time: internet, email, calendar, messaging, maps/navigation, youtube. I know for most people a lack of apps is a killer, which will mean continued slow development on Windows 10 mobile and few if any hardware releases, and that's what will make the platform less and less useful for me. But having apps doesn't really do much for me personally.
dragonelite
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Same here, i do want surface phone to be a laptop replacement for traveling.
juliushandle
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None of us WP fans were in denial about the situation. That's why there never was a W10 Mobile thread, we knew it was buggy in comparison to the previous releases.
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