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[EricDiesel]

Nintendos guiding philosophy. "Creating something unique". LOL.

No "standard" controllers are unique. What's your point?

 

[Vinci]

IMO I think the Pro controller is just the result of third party devs pushing Nintendo for something more traditional as the normal controller.

So, you're agreeing with me.

Cool.

 

[Freezie KO]

Eh. They can be a bit lazy when it comes to the Pro controller. After all, it's more of a me-too product by its very nature. Frankly, I think it's a worthless addition to the landscape designed to appease the most narrow-minded of people, but that's neither here nor there.

And if NeoGAF has taught me anything, it's that gamers are the most narrow-minded of people!

 

[GeneralManager]

Most of the Wii U threads on the gaming side are minefields.

This place seems like the last sane place to discuss Wii U.

This is Nintendo fan haven; everything is positive. You're not getting much of a discussion here. Any discussion in general forum is seen as an attack by some here. If you want to avoid that and hype yourselves up for the next Retro game, WiiU features, Miyamoto's new IP, or Pikmin 3 with other Nintendo fans than stay here. if you want to discuss pros/cons of the WiiU with gamers that include those bought the Wii but disliked it, those that haven't had a Nintendo system since the N64, those that are only PC gamers, and those that have loved every Nintendo sytem. Just realize that negative feelings toward the system and Nintendo don't equal attacks.

 

[Instro]

I wonder if MS are now consulting their legal team. It's a pretty blatant rip off.

Perhaps you should take a browse over to Newegg or any other store that sells 3rd party controllers for the PC...lol.

To be fair, half the stuff he quoted was far worse than anything Ace or BP posted. He killed his argument by including legit opinions, however.

Completely different problem, they were permed for doing the same shit over and over and over again after being banned repeatedly for it. The kind of posts highlighted in that OP are the same drivebys that take place in almost any thread particularly at E3. Do you not remember when Kinect and Move were announced, it was a million times worse. Almost every Vita related thread invariably has a ton of posts mocking the system. Sometimes people get banned for it, there have been a number of bans handed out today in WiiU threads.

 

[CrAzYLeGzLU]

So, you're agreeing with me.

Cool.

Yup, pretty much. While I will get one or two myself because it will be great for Smash Bros. and a few other games I think it owes it's existence to the third party developers and the input they put in about the system.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Who's up for bending Time and Space with Iwata so Tuesday can get here already?

you can only do that when you post on the Wiiverse patent pending...

 

[nikatapi]

I kinda hoped for a new generation of wavebird controllers as the "classic" controller for the WiiU, it would be the best choice ergonomically i think.

The WiiU pro controller looks pretty good though, and it leaves no excuses for the third parties as far as control methods are concerned.

The point is i don't think Nintendo will pack in any other controller than the WiiU gamepad, and that controller doesn't have analog triggers, which might introduce some difficulties with certain genres, like racing games.

I hope Nintendo will clarify what controllers will be packed in with the WiiU during their e3 presentation, but i think they will only have the WiiU gamepad packed in.

 

[cyberheater]

Eh. They can be a bit lazy when it comes to the Pro controller. After all, it's more of a me-too product by its very nature. Frankly, I think it's a worthless addition to the landscape designed to appease the most narrow-minded of people, but that's neither here nor there.

It's also a good financial decision by Ninty as the pro controller won't be bundled with the machine.

 

[AniHawk]

Who's up for bending Time and Space with Iwata so Tuesday can get here already?

i'd be up for it as i am a timebender, but sadist came up with a stupid name for speculation thread iv and now you all have to suffer.

 

[Gahiggidy]

Eh. They can be a bit lazy when it comes to the Pro controller. After all, it's more of a me-too product by its very nature. Frankly, I think it's a worthless addition to the landscape designed to appease the most narrow-minded of people, but that's neither here nor there.

Worthless? How else are they going to allow multiplayer games such as Madden without it? Force every developer to design wiimote control in addition to the wuc? The Pro is obviously a compromise for the only one wuc support issue. Its very necessary, in my opinion.

 

[Vinci]

It's also a good financial decision by Ninty as the pro controller won't be bundled with the machine.

True. And lord knows, it's likely far cheaper to produce than the uPad, so they can price it aggressively in the market and make a bundle.

Worthless? How else are they going to allow multiplayer games such as Madden without it? Force every developer to design wiimote control in addition to the wuc? The Pro is obviously a compromise for the only one wuc support issue. Its very necessary, in my opinion.

Yeah, that's not why this was developed. It was developed because some people just cannot get over the idea of a touchscreen in the middle of their precious traditional controller layout. Now, I agree that it makes a good local multiplayer option, but that doesn't seem to be the mentality that went into its creation. Iwata sure didn't sell it as a, "Well, for local multiplayer parties' - no, it was held up as an alternative to the core gaming pad that comes with the system.

 

[fabricated backlash]

Do PS3 and 360 games use the select button? I honestly don't know, I don't play my PS3 and my 360 has been my UMVC3 and Dark Souls machine for the past year.

Many shooters use it to bring up the scoreboard, or to spot enemies on the map. But mostly the select button being used is simply a sign of terrible control design than anything else.

I do hope that at least Treyarch will have the sense to offer Wiimote aiming, otherwise we'll be stuck with this horrible analog aiming for shooters...

Edit: beaten like a dead horse... need more coffee

 

[AzaK]

Holy smoke. I spend 4 days off the grid and come back to Iwata throwing us a Nintendo Direct. Very cool.

Really interesting they call it the gamepad. Not shying away at all from their gaming roots. I was almost expecting something less specific, like Subscreen as mentioned by Miyamoto.

 

[cyberheater]

Are the triggers analogue?

 

[antonz]

This is Nintendo fan haven; everything is positive. You're not getting much of a discussion here. Any discussion in general forum is seen as an attack by some here. If you want to avoid that and hype yourselves up for the next Retro game, WiiU features, Miyamoto's new IP, or Pikmin 3 with other Nintendo fans than stay here. if you want to discuss pros/cons of the WiiU with gamers that include those bought the Wii but disliked it, those that haven't had a Nintendo system since the N64, those that are only PC gamers, and those that have loved every Nintendo sytem. Just realize that negative feelings toward the system and Nintendo don't equal attacks.

While this thread is overly positive in general much of what gets posted in Wii U threads are far from conversation pieces.

When a guy posts at least it wont gather dust this time and 10 other posts that are totally negative with no real substance tats nothing but trolling and deserves to be called out for it.

If people want to debate the merits of controls, options etc in a friendly manner thats fine but the majority of posting is nothing but trying to stir up shit and be a minefield.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

wait until you guys get a load of the PS4 and Durango controller next year

then we can talk about this again

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

How is he right? That crap happens in nearly every single thread on Gaf and in every forum on the Internet for that matter. Flame wars are not exclusive to Nintendo threads however they are the most clear cut on both sides of the spectrum. Nintendo threads draw in just as many devoted fanboys as they do haters. Opinions are like assholes and such.

Im looking at some of the stuff he quoted and it just goes over my head how so and so wasnt banned but whatever..

edit: He also right about how we have to stay away from gaming side to have actual discussion sometimes like many have described here its crazy as hell out there and its hard to get a good discussion going on about a specific topic..I often felt like I shouldnt even be on gaf today.

both sides are right but one side runs this forum... if you don't run things you shut up!
this is not America! there are rules follow them.

I may get myself banned but it will be something sillier than Console Warz :3

you make me lol too much smiles...lol

 

[darthdago]

hi everyone!!
Has anything new happened over the weekend??
It's hard to go through so many pages...
Would be nice if someone can give an overview!!
Thanks in advance!!

 

[Erethian]

Eh. They can be a bit lazy when it comes to the Pro controller. After all, it's more of a me-too product by its very nature. Frankly, I think it's a worthless addition to the landscape designed to appease the most narrow-minded of people, but that's neither here nor there.

Yeah, the whole point of it is to provide uniform functionality with the other consoles. Also worth noting that developers had a lot of input in controller design this time so I'm sure that influenced things too.

 

[cyberheater]

True. And lord knows, it's likely far cheaper to produce than the uPad, so they can price it aggressively in the market and make a bundle.

Yeah, that's a good point. I've got two young kids and to be honest. I'd rather buy two pro controllers then risk them damaging the UPad.

 

[CrAzYLeGzLU]

This is Nintendo fan haven; everything is positive. You're not getting much of a discussion here. Any discussion in general forum is seen as an attack by some here. If you want to avoid that and hype yourselves up for the next Retro game, WiiU features, Miyamoto's new IP, or Pikmin 3 with other Nintendo fans than stay here. if you want to discuss pros/cons of the WiiU with gamers that include those bought the Wii but disliked it, those that haven't had a Nintendo system since the N64, those that are only PC gamers, and those that have loved every Nintendo sytem. Just realize that negative feelings toward the system and Nintendo don't equal attacks.

While we do hype up Nintendo systems here I feel the vast majority would be just as critical as any other gamer if they made a dumb choice. We do have good speculative discussions here, and it is the main focus of the thread. Because of this there isn't always a need to disagree with each other during discussions we just build on what the other person said.

 

[EloquentM]

Im looking at some of the stuff he quoted and it just goes over my head how so and so wasnt banned but whatever..

Like I said I understand where you're coming from but It really does happen all the time on this site. Nintendo threads aren't special. People troll in other threads and don't get banned either. If any of you ever see a problem, don't make a thread. PM a mod. That's what they're there for.

 

[Agent Unknown]

Nintendos guiding philosophy. "Creating something unique". LOL.

And Microsoft's motto in this case is...? LOL...?

 

[Vinci]

And Microsoft's motto in this case is...? LOL...?

Invest in tools, buy and kill off expendable talent.

 

[Mr. MondayNight]

I wonder if MS are now consulting their legal team. It's a pretty blatant rip off.

Like the 360 controller to the gamecube huh?

 

[PogiJones]

Completely different problem, they were permed for doing the same shit over and over and over again after being banned repeatedly for it. The kind of posts highlighted in that OP are the same drivebys that take place in almost any thread particularly at E3. Do you not remember when Kinect and Move were announced, it was a million times worse. Almost every Vita related thread invariably has a ton of posts mocking the system. Sometimes people get banned for it, there have been a number of bans handed out today in WiiU threads.

Yeah, it does happen all the time, but I guess the banning of Ace and BP, then the explanation post by one of the mods led me to believe that the ban threshold was much lower than it apparently actually is.

Honestly, I don't have a big problem with drive-by posts like that, but the mod's post said something about bans being handed out easier around E3 in an attempt to curb console wars before they start. These drive-by posts are the genesis of console wars.

Looking through their history, I'm not even sure what Ace and BP did "over and over and over again" to get banned. Something about a hive-mind mentality, but that seems like another term for "fan."

 

[Freezie KO]

This is Nintendo fan haven; everything is positive. You're not getting much of a discussion here. Any discussion in general forum is seen as an attack by some here. If you want to avoid that and hype yourselves up for the next Retro game, WiiU features, Miyamoto's new IP, or Pikmin 3 with other Nintendo fans than stay here. if you want to discuss pros/cons of the WiiU with gamers that include those bought the Wii but disliked it, those that haven't had a Nintendo system since the N64, those that are only PC gamers, and those that have loved every Nintendo sytem. Just realize that negative feelings toward the system and Nintendo don't equal attacks.

I don't think that's fair. I'm a huge Nintendo fan, but thus far I've posted that I've been unimpressed with their overarching "vision" for Wii U, disappointed that they didn't simply upgrade the Wiimote, and felt that NSMB needs an art revamp.

I've posted all of this, yet I'm still posting in this thread. I'm interested in Wii U, even if I disagree a lot with what Nintendo is doing, and I don't feel ostracized for being too negative. I just balance that with positivity towards NSMB gameplay and PIKMIN MOTHERFUCKING THREE!

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Like I said I understand where you're coming from but It really does happen all the time on this site. Nintendo threads aren't special. People troll in other threads and don't get banned either. If any of you ever see a problem, don't make a thread. PM a mod. That's what they're there for.

Gotcha..completely understood.

 

[Agent Unknown]

Invest in tools, buy and kill off expendable talent.

*slaps forehead* How could I forget? Sir, you are a gentleman and a fellow of scholarly and astute observations.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

oh shit... if I go to sleep now at 4am I might miss Microsoft's event damn

but I'll need sleep if I am to be up all day

Do you guys think EA and Ubi can show WiiU software at their own events today?

 

[cyberheater]

Like the 360 controller to the gamecube huh?

Not really. Although the button layout is similar. They look quite different.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Do you guys think EA and Ubi can show WiiU software at their own events today?

I'm not sure if EA will show games running on the Wii U, but UBI's press release already suggested that they are. I think that played a big role in why Nintendo did the system/controller unveiling yesterday.

 

[CrAzYLeGzLU]

oh shit... if I go to sleep now at 4am I might miss Microsoft's event damn

but I'll need sleep if I am to be up all day

Do you guys think EA and Ubi can show WiiU software at their own events today?

I'm in the exact same situation. I know I need to go to sleep if I want to be up in time for MS event, and to stay up all day for the others.

EDIT: I think they will announce games at the EA and Ubi events but we might not see any hands on demos just trailers.

 

[cyberheater]

oh shit... if I go to sleep now at 4am I might miss Microsoft's event damn

but I'll need sleep if I am to be up all day

Do you guys think EA and Ubi can show WiiU software at their own events today?

No. Ninty will have it locked for their event.

 

[GeneralManager]

While this thread is overly positive in general much of what gets posted in Wii U threads are far from conversation pieces.

When a guy posts at least it wont gather dust this time and 10 other posts that are totally negative with no real substance tats nothing but trolling and deserves to be called out for it.

If people want to debate the merits of controls, options etc in a friendly manner thats fine but the majority of posting is nothing but trying to stir up shit and be a minefield.

The guy that posted the Leave Nintendo Alone thread included legit trolling like the dust comment however he also included legit comments that were just negative. If someone sees that as trolling than the problem lies with them.

While we do hype up Nintendo systems here I feel the vast majority would be just as critical as any other gamer if they made a dumb choice. We do have good speculative discussions here, and it is the main focus of the thread. Because of this there isn't always a need to disagree with each other during discussions we just build on what the other person said.

"We" Practically all the regulars in this thread no each other, I'm sure. You're all regulars in the 6th WiiU speculation thread. Definitely die hard Nintendo fans. You all have a somewhat common opinion and preferance for them. Hence the discussion in here is going to be different versus the general forum with people with various opinions/preferences.

 

[antonz]

oh shit... if I go to sleep now at 4am I might miss Microsoft's event damn

but I'll need sleep if I am to be up all day

Do you guys think EA and Ubi can show WiiU software at their own events today?

Ubisoft has stated they will be showing and demoing Wii U software at their conference.

 

[Agent Unknown]

Not really. Although the button layout is similar. They look quite different.

Ah ha! But surely the 360 "ripped off" the Dreamcast controller. My good fellow, this battle of dry wits is now over!

 

[cyberheater]

Ubisoft has stated they will be showing and demoing Wii U software at their conference.

Great. Looking forward to it.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I'm okay with trailers only...


I'll go for 6 hours of sleep... and sleep right after Sony's so I can be on time for TUESDAY!

insomnia is a bitch I might be here all day without sleep

 

[CrAzYLeGzLU]

Ubisoft has stated they will be showing and demoing Wii U software at their conference.

Hopefully they show off AC3 on it. Really looking forward to what they do with the screen.

 

[Vinci]

*slaps forehead* How could I forget? Sir, you are a gentleman and a fellow of scholarly and astute observations.

To be fair, this is really the model they should have had from the moment they entered this space. There's no reason why MS should have 1st party studios - they're an unnecessary cost. MS isn't an entertainment company anymore than Apple is. But both are very good at building tools and networks, and that's where their focus should be.

 

[MDX]

With the Pro controller clearly announced, devs have no excuse to not port over their games if they find the gamepad too complicated. So games like Tomb Raider:

When we started developing the game we made a conscious decision that it was all about building the game for a platform and making sure the game was specific to that platform. Given that we’ve been working on the game quite a while before Wii U was announced I think it would not be right to try and port it across. If we started building a game for the Wii U we would build it very differently and we would build it with unique functionality.

Excuse Denied.

Nintendo is not mandating that you used the gamepad for the WiiU.
As a matter of fact, Nintendo's initial concept was to have a secondary screen to use simply as a window for information sitting next to you, and not as a controller.
This still can be done with multi-plat games.

So Crystal Dynamics, and all you other excuse making devs, you got 6 months to port your games over, with improved visuals and framerates.

 

[cyberheater]

Ah ha! But surely the 360 "ripped off" the Dreamcast controller. My good fellow, this battle of dry wits is now over!

Well the Dreamcast controller (one of my favourites) only had one analogue stick so you could argue that the Duke was an evolution of that design.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

neogaf needs to shutdown avatars and whatever they need to do to keep this board alive

they could not even handle OctoG123

 

[Agent Unknown]

To be fair, this is really the model they should have had from the moment they entered this space. There's no reason why MS should have 1st party studios - they're an unnecessary cost. MS isn't an entertainment company anymore than Apple is. But both are very good at building tools and networks, and that's where their focus should be.

Interesting, yeah, now I kinda wonder why they didn't go that route,

 

[Mr. MondayNight]

Not really. Although the button layout is similar. They look quite different.

The button layout is exactly the same I've been telling my friends that since the 360 released that the controller was just a gamecube controller on steroids....

But that's beside the point if you think MS has a case I'm just saying Nintendo has a better one....

 

[CrAzYLeGzLU]

neogaf needs to shutdown avatars and whatever they need to do to keep this board alive

they could not even handle OctoG123

I'm pretty sure everything tomorrow will kill the place.

 

[cyberheater]

With the Pro controller clearly announced, devs have no excuse to not port over their games if they find the gamepad too complicated. So games like Tomb Raider:

Excuse Denied.

Nintendo is not mandating that you used the gamepad for the WiiU.
As a matter of fact, Nintendo's initial concept was to have a secondary screen to use simply as a window for information sitting next to you, and not as a controller.
This still can be done with multi-plat games.

So Crystal Dynamics, and all you other excuse making devs, you got 6 months to port your games over, with improved visuals and framerates.

You can't design a game only for the pro because it won't be bundled in.

 

[fabricated backlash]

Like I said I understand where you're coming from but It really does happen all the time on this site. Nintendo threads aren't special. People troll in other threads and don't get banned either. If any of you ever see a problem, don't make a thread. PM a mod. That's what they're there for.

Yeah this E3 Nintendo will get the bulk of fanboy hatred, simply because they're the only ones presenting a new console. I do however note that when it comes to Nintendo, both in the pro and con area, that everyone looks like 5th graders. From manners, to arguments, almost everyone acts too emotionally and childish. (haters and fanboys that is)

I don't know how far this will go, but I know that I don't envy mods at E3. Hell when even a simple Nintendo Direct can cause so much shit, I think Nintendo did GAF mods a favor by staggering their info releases. Makes it easier to weed out the whiners on both sides.

Me I'm grabbing the popcorn, my Girlfriend and we're going to enjoy the meltdowns.

You can't design a game only for the pro because it won't be bundled in.

The Pro is a gamepad without screen... just use the screen as an inventory and be done with it. There really is not a single valid excuse anymore outside of contracts or financial considerations.