.Pennywise
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So nobody could give me a non-subjective argument as to why they call the Bloodborne "story" so special.
The Witcher 3 vs. Bloodborne
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Kokoloko85
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What do you want lol?
Go play the game and find out.
Whats so special about the Witcher 3 story?
Straight from wiki
Bloodborne follows the player's character, a Hunter, through the decrepit Gothic, Victorian era–inspired city of Yharnam, whose inhabitants are afflicted with a blood-borne disease. Attempting to find the source of the plague, the player's character unravels the city's mysteries while fighting beasts and cosmic beings.
The twists between byrgenwerth and the healing church split, the vilebloods and rest. The great ones, orphan of Kos. Maria. Just go play it you feel it has no story lol.
add in some Lovecraftian spices and hidden lore and you have a story
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bargeparty
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People complaining about the story of bloodborne as a mark against it, yet we're ignoring that aspect for mgsv?
.Pennywise
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DonJorginho
Banned
MGS V had a more interesting "story" than Bloodborne imo.
Kokoloko85
Member
How did i back it up?
I thought Id give you a simple wiki version as you seem a bit challenged
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DogofWar
Member
"Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you."
Spoiler free summary of why the story is great. The story itself I wont write out because it is simply too long. Unlike The Witcher (which also has a great story btw) the story is not thrown in your face but you have to pay attention to it. This is true for all the Souls-games as well. There is not just "lore" you have to piece together. But if you don't explore, talk with NPCs etc you wont understand that much of the story either. That said, a lot of the point of Bloodborne is that you should be unaware of the greater mysteries, until the very end of the game at least. "Just go out and kill a few beasts. It's for your own good".
Also every thing is subjective about what is "good" or "bad" so no one can give you an objective description.
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DonJorginho
Banned
I'd love to see a final of MGS V and Bloodborne.
The battle of the games that need wikis to understand them completely.
The battle of the games that need wikis to understand them completely.
Kokoloko85
Member
Also every thing is subjective about what is "good" or "bad" so no one can give you an objective description.
Exactly. Stories are subjective
roosnam1980
Member
BLOODBORNE.....plain and simple
bargeparty
Member
Oh definitely not.
roosnam1980
Member
BLOODBORNE made me remember gradius for the same reason.......its challenging and rewarding
and i cant vote............wat the hell
and i cant vote............wat the hell
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Jigsaah
Gold Member
Not many people can tell you what the Bloodborne story is about. I've played through the game several times and all I know is there's a Werewolf nun in a church, some kinda plague is affecting the villagers, there a part where some aliens are experimenting on people. Some looney toon keeps jerkin off to Kos, or is it Kosm. Some old dude loves moons. You teacher is a rat, not like Master Splinter...but like, he's gonna betray you. There's a doll...who comes from a doll place and is easily the worst of any of the "Nexus" ladies.
Chalice dungeons suck. Bellmaidens suck, build variety sucks, magic sucks, bosses are amazing and that's all you need to know.
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bender
What time is it?
DeaconOfTheDank
Member
Please, give us a "non-subjective" argument for why Witcher 3's story is so special
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Totally man I hear you. Nobody reads item descriptions or thinks about the dialogue in games. Or the atmosphere/enemies you face or what they mutter/speak/cry. Fuck all that noise about thinking for yourself when you can just go to youtube where someone gives you the story (god I love the lore talks!) to you on a platter. Also fuck being stuck in a game ever, you know me, I look up what to do as soon as I can't figure things out for myself!
It isn't, you play it for the characters and a compass telling where to go next to talk to more people about who fucked their goat. Or the aborted baby. Or the amazing combat where you spin before you do a sword strike because that is the most efficient way of fighting.Please, give us a "non-subjective" argument for why Witcher 3's story is so special
.Pennywise
Banned
Because it has one.Please, give us a "non-subjective" argument for why Witcher 3's story is so special
GymWolf
Gold Member
I love long games so the problem is kinda mitigated for me.
DeaconOfTheDank
Member
And having a story makes it special because...?
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Akuji
Member
not the fault of the game that u are unable to understand the story?
not every story hits hime with everyone, lol.
if many people like the story ... maybe ... they ... just ... do?
you can make your own rules about what makes a story great, but that does not mean that your rules have anything to do with what the majority of people enjoy, it could be that its the case, but there is no gurantee.
Bloodborne story is imo, better then the main story of Witcher, with al the side quests etc witcher builds a world that is more relatable, sure.
But thats literally the only thing Witcher has going for it.
Denton
Banned
I see the desperation continues.
I finished both games. I enjoyed Bloodborne, even read up on its lore because yes, from the game itself it is all so obscure that without making notes and dissertations it is impossible to actually enjoy in a proper way. It was great, but its impact was miniscule compared to Witcher 3. Bloodborne at its heart is still a game about murdering hundreds of monsters..Witcher is about much more, not just combat, and I vastly prefer that.
You are lucky you have such pretty avatar.
I finished both games. I enjoyed Bloodborne, even read up on its lore because yes, from the game itself it is all so obscure that without making notes and dissertations it is impossible to actually enjoy in a proper way. It was great, but its impact was miniscule compared to Witcher 3. Bloodborne at its heart is still a game about murdering hundreds of monsters..Witcher is about much more, not just combat, and I vastly prefer that.
You are lucky you have such pretty avatar.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Play it and read this. Masterful.
Paleblood Hunt-Finalized
The Paleblood Hunt A Bloodborne Analysis by “Redgrave” Dedicated to all those with a story to tell I didn’t really like Dark Souls. Objectively speaking, it’s a great game. The gameplay is solid; the world is compelling; the characters are interesting. Maybe i...
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.Pennywise
Banned
I've already played it and that's the exact thing of what I'm talking about. Why do I need to read a sheet to appreciate the game story? That just tells me how poorly the game managed and tried to tell its story.Play it and read this. Masterful.
Paleblood Hunt-Finalized
The Paleblood Hunt A Bloodborne Analysis by “Redgrave” Dedicated to all those with a story to tell I didn’t really like Dark Souls. Objectively speaking, it’s a great game. The gameplay is solid; the world is compelling; the characters are interesting. Maybe i...
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
If like to be spoonfed I can see why you enjoyed the Witcher better.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Nah, it left a lot of avenues open to the imagination in our psyche, wanting to know more. Not everything needs to be ABC and 123. It caused for some amazing theories over the years within the community and thus that write up was born.
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kingpotato
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@SLoWMoTIoN actually touches on exactly what makes the story special.
You can play the entirely of the game and dismiss it, yet it is so fundamental in understanding what your character is doing in that world.
Not many games are brave enough to let them player willfully ignore the effort put into the world building and history placed around the main characters. You hardly even get to interact with many of the key figures and miss some completely if you don't play the DLC.
Bloodborne has a lore filled with tragic characters and a world destroyed by betrayal and ambition. The road to hell is paved with good intentions after all. It takes a lot of effort to uncover it as a single lone player which is why you hear so many people referencing youtube videos or other resources to help put it together.
Witcher also has a rich lore provided by the library of books in the game, the tv show, the actual novels and the other spin offs. While the lore they provide does help the world feel more alive, it doesn't necessarily make you feel more invested in the characters. If anything is a little exclusionary as there isn't a lot to speculate about. It is history that is abundant, but it doesn't provide much motivation for the characters to continue forward with. We usually know why the characters are doing X because they actually tell us. Also you won't miss any key elements because the characters tell you the key bits in cutscenes and will remind the player several times to make sure no child gets left behind.
In contrast, the effort of peeling back the history of Bloodborne is continuously rewarding and even leaves room for interpretation. It deepens the mysteries of the game world, give reason to the player for making their choice at the end of the game and gives... insight... to the bosses and how they came to be grotesque monstrosities.
Why is there a raging fetus in the fishing hamlet or what is the moon presence really? That's a long answer.
Why is the hunt after Ciri and what is up with the evil king. You will know because they will keep telling you throughout the game.
Witcher 3 has an interesting enough story, and the player gets to impact it more than many games, but it is continuously shoved down your neck with over 15 hours of cutscenes. There isn't anything wrong with this approach, it is tried and true if anything. Bloodborne just tried something risky and different in my opinion. It seems to me the people who invest the effort to understand Bloodborne tend to feel more connected to it and certainly more invested.
I played witcher 3 twice and bloodborne at least 5 times. Witcher 3 definitely has high production values, a decent narrative and provides a lot of value for your gaming dollar. But I still think about the universe bloodborne set up and yearn to revisit that world. I think the others that enjoy the story of Bloodborne feel similarly.
.Pennywise
Banned
I really like when there's some aspects of a story that are not explained and are open to interpretations. I don't like when 80% of it is just that.
martino
Member
i mean the witcher lore make witcher being the perfect fit to be an open world played character
you cannot dream more tailored function. it makes perfectly coherent exploration of the world and resolving mysteries or eliminating problems(mostly monsters) of people you enconter.
on top of this there the main story
for people who have read the first book, side content of the game is basically that but interactive.
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Keihart
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I would say that the story in Bloodborne it's "special" because with very minimal expositions manages to tell the player a narrative, a very mysterious and thematic one at that. You are actively investigating what is going on in Bloodborne the whole game, you are not much being told what's going on but you are actively discovering and finding pieces of the puzzle.
If i had to compare it to Witcher 3 i would say that Bloodborne it is better because it really fulfills it's narrative concept and it's a more novel one. Witcher 3 has better scripts and the side-quests are a blast because of this, but the main plot in which you are supposed to be engaged and how you engage in it, it's pretty boring at times or most of the time.
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Reficul
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I love TW3 and look forward to the PS5 patch that is promised (I hope that wasn't just a dream).
But stacked against Bloodborne it honestly pales. BB is a masterpiece both in gameplay and story telling.
It has WTF moments wrapped in other WTF moments. The music is fantastic.
As a gamer for forty years it is one of the most memorable gaming experiences I've experienced.
But TW3 is a good game too.
But stacked against Bloodborne it honestly pales. BB is a masterpiece both in gameplay and story telling.
It has WTF moments wrapped in other WTF moments. The music is fantastic.
As a gamer for forty years it is one of the most memorable gaming experiences I've experienced.
But TW3 is a good game too.
Kokoloko85
Member
Did you play the DLC? Like Dark Souls DLC it ends the story and explains alot
Kokoloko85
Member
Play it and read this. Masterful.
Paleblood Hunt-Finalized
The Paleblood Hunt A Bloodborne Analysis by “Redgrave” Dedicated to all those with a story to tell I didn’t really like Dark Souls. Objectively speaking, it’s a great game. The gameplay is solid; the world is compelling; the characters are interesting. Maybe i...
Redgrave is awesome and his mini youtube series about Bloodbourne. Little things in Yharnam or something like that lol
Kokoloko85
Member
What exactly was so special about the story?
Vow of Silence
Banned
Every time I check the thread to see if Witcher is still winning the conversation has gotten increasingly deranged.
COME ON GERALT.
COME ON GERALT.
VFXVeteran
Banned
Whelp, we can predict this outcome now since deadline is tomorrow.
Witcher 3 rightfully wins. I am very interested in Bloodborne. And I look forward to one day playing it on the PC if that ever happens, but as far as scope and story goes.. yea, W3 is the winner. Although I would say that BB probably has the gameplay and design nailed down more than W3. It was a close race.
Witcher 3 rightfully wins. I am very interested in Bloodborne. And I look forward to one day playing it on the PC if that ever happens, but as far as scope and story goes.. yea, W3 is the winner. Although I would say that BB probably has the gameplay and design nailed down more than W3. It was a close race.
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Saber
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Don't ever stop being the clown from your avatar lmao
roosnam1980
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IF U DONT PLAY BLOODBORNE U R DOING A DISSERVICE TO GAMING
TEPT
Neo Member
Bloodborne wins, hands down.
They're both great games, but so many people seem to think this is a competition of FPS. Yet they forget BB is a console exclusive.
In terms of gameplay, they're both great at combat and exploration. The Witcher, however, was a little too long for me. I had fun with it, but it left little room for replay-ability. Bloodborne on the other hand excels in this field. I had no issue at all playing through multiple times just to get the Platinum. Bloodborne takes the cake.
Another very important aspect for me is the settings. The Witcher's fantasy setting was good, don't get me wrong, but it came off as uninspired. I didn't really find anything that sets it apart from other worlds in fantasy. On the other hand, I don't think we see enough gothic settings in gaming. Not to mention each new area felt fresh and exciting to explore (except the Forbidden Woods, fuck the Forbidden Woods). Once again, Bloodborne takes the cake.
But hey, that's just my opinion.
They're both great games, but so many people seem to think this is a competition of FPS. Yet they forget BB is a console exclusive.
In terms of gameplay, they're both great at combat and exploration. The Witcher, however, was a little too long for me. I had fun with it, but it left little room for replay-ability. Bloodborne on the other hand excels in this field. I had no issue at all playing through multiple times just to get the Platinum. Bloodborne takes the cake.
Another very important aspect for me is the settings. The Witcher's fantasy setting was good, don't get me wrong, but it came off as uninspired. I didn't really find anything that sets it apart from other worlds in fantasy. On the other hand, I don't think we see enough gothic settings in gaming. Not to mention each new area felt fresh and exciting to explore (except the Forbidden Woods, fuck the Forbidden Woods). Once again, Bloodborne takes the cake.
But hey, that's just my opinion.
Lionel Richie
Member
Not sure I'd praise its story in the traditional sense, the progression of events when isolated from everything isn't much to write home about. But the mood is fantastic, how the game builds up its horror from traditional like werewolves and ghouls to something more excentric like fuck shit fuck creatures really drive home the overall desolation of that place. It's a messed up tale about messing up with dangerous shit and it's open enough to be interpreted as an abortion metaphor. The game manages to be uncomfortable in an almost cognitive dissonance kind of way, so its theme is perfectly backed up by the gameplay.
There isn't an objective way to measure its qualities, a lot of it depends of how you feel about open ended narratives.
Danjin44
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I like story of Bloodborne same reason I like the story in games like ICO and Shadow of the Colossus, they are not "cinematic" but they told in the way that only can be told in video games.
Mozzarella
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Witcher storytelling does not spoonfeed the player, in many occasions you will have to pay attention and analyze a quest to figure out that there is more depth into it than what you might have assumed. This is not Bethesda storytelling here.
Witcher has a story you can follow because it is told in a more cohesive way, the context and the timeline of the story are better explored and therefore its more understandable than a game like Bloodborne which is scattered pieces of lore, that you have to put together and maybe will get something that connects.
Witcher writing contains a lot of neat references from various places like classic literature and pop culture and the quests have depth into them that you can talk a lot about them and about what they represent. They tackle upon issues and subjects that are indeed mature.
The main journey itself is also simple, its not overly-complicated or pretentious to keep hammering the player with weird symbolism or abstract theories and concepts, its a simple fantasy epic journey split into three acts and thats fine, there is no need for it to be complex in that regard, its a well made basic main story filled with great side quests that contain decent depth and those are somewhat complex, those are the quests you tackle on your main story journey. What all of this makes, is a quality of writing that is easy to understand and digest for any player and enough depth for anyone looking deeper. And its all mostly written well, you won't find a lot of cheesy writing or superficial dumb themes being barely touched, its mostly consistent all around.
When it comes to Bloodborne the way they tell the story through scattered pieces of lore is very interesting, but looking at the story itself, what does its overall qualities present? its very unclear. Like for example despite watching many video, I still dont get what themes or subjects Bloodborne story tries to explore? how deep the game explores those themes? how much characters develop and interact with the world? they can barely be defined, their characterization is lacking because you dont interact with them much, they do have backstory and they have a quest or a purpose in Bloodborne's world but thats about it. The pacing and the timeline of the story is also very ambiguous, there is nothing clear here, so its all up for interpretation. And they didnt do very good job at explaining the purpose behind the story itself. Also the context of the story itself is minimal, its not rich, basically all that happens in the world of Bloodborne can be summarized with 1 netflix episode, there is not much content.
Bloodborne story is lacking in many categories, like its there but i would always assume its the lore that is the meat of Bloodborne writing, the story itself is rather minimal and basic. Which is fine, the game main focus is the gameplay loop and the atmosphere, the story was never the focus of this game, its never going to compete and beat a long rich story like Witcher which has its roots in Books/Novels of Dark Fantasy genre, there is no way its going to compete with that, objectively speaking from a critical perspective about writing in general.
Bloodborne fans present solid points for their preference when it comes to gameplay and combat, probably also atmosphere, but when it comes to story its not convincing at all, they want to have their cake and eat it too. NO.
Mister Wolf
Member
Bloodborne is overrated. I'm glad the right game is winning.
thief183
Member
Also my mom have a better story than bloodborne, and I love the game. (Even uf I'm burned out of from software type of game)
So you totally understood why you character
turned into a fucking shrimp
Congrats on your keen mind i guess.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Those dunking on bloodborne... smh.
I do believe tw3 is better and voted that way, but of less than 5% on a poll with 1000 responders should tell you these two tittles are very close in stature.
I do believe tw3 is better and voted that way, but of less than 5% on a poll with 1000 responders should tell you these two tittles are very close in stature.
