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The Witness |OT|
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Pinko Marx
Banned
Lines of blow was still the better subtitle... 😒
YankeeDonB
Member
Very nice OT. I'm downloading this first thing tomorrow (probably for PS4, still debating), then I'm not going to touch this OT for as long as I can hold out. Really want to parse as much of the game as possible on my own.
I don't remember such a time, maybe UK works differently.
Yeah, I mean, The Witness is a brilliant game, one of my favorites in recent memory. But it's harder and requires quite a bit more from people than Portal 2. I'm not afraid to say it isn't for everyone, and if someone struggled with Portal 2 it might be hard to get through much of The Witness without resorting to guides.
Edit: This game could really benefit from a crowd-sourced hint system, like oldschool adventure games. Wikis will just show you where to put the line. Hints could say something like "look around you before trying to solve" and then get gradually more obvious from there.
There is one set of puzzles, all in one area, that deal with sound. None anywhere else in game. You should know when you find them.
hydrophilic attack
Member
Why? His post has me hyped as fuck
Vincent Alexander
Member
I'm looking for a quote Blow had a while ago about the puzzles not all being easy? Something along the lines of "if they were all easy and meant to be solved, than they're just exercises." Anyone know which one I'm talking about?
GwyndolinCinder
Member
If i remember correctly soma which was in the same situation as the witness regarding no preorder status, was available on the psn store at 12:30 gmt.
So i guess ill wait up till then, to see if it gets put up.
So i guess ill wait up till then, to see if it gets put up.
But seriously, I feel the exact opposite after reading that post. I'm so ready for a challenging puzzle game. For sure there will times in which I just want to give up and never play the game again, but the lure of those moments of epiphany when you solve something complex that you've struggled with for a long time is just too great for me.
Chezzymann
Member
But seriously, I feel the exact opposite after reading that post. I'm so ready for a challenging puzzle game. For sure there will times in which I just want to give up and never play the game again, but the lure of those moments of epiphany when you solve something complex that you've struggled with for a long time is just too great for me.
I guess it all depends on your confidence to be able to solve them. Like for me, since i struggled with portal 2 at points and this seems to be way harder, im worried i will repeatedly have to consult a guide or risk literally never getting past a puzzle even if i spend 10+ hours on one lol.
Bioshock Infinite was almost exactly three years ago and was £34.99 on Steam. Now we have a game described as 'mid-budget' that's only a fiver cheaper than that was and games like Street Fighter V at £44.99. That's way beyond normal inflation rates.
Console game prices have stayed at pretty consistent levels in the past three years, save for the launch-window 'Next-Gen Tax' on PS4/Xbox One games which has settled back down again now. For some reason, PC games are seeing a hike in general prices.
EDIT: I'm buying the game tomorrow. It doesn't mean I can't voice a concern at an unfortunate trend.
-MD-
Member
Sure was.
Yeah, they shouldn't have included the $ price in their post. Games have been $60 for a while. So $30-40 falls in the mid budget range.
Trying to out headbutt any problem isn't the right way to go about it. If you're willing to be patient, even if that means sleeping on it, I can't see why The Witness wouldn't be manageable. Braid certainly was.
Looking at a guide does miss the point - the value of a puzzle game is in triumphing over puzzles.
cpp_is_king
Member
It's very unlikely you'll reach a point where you're unable to progress anywhere on the island, at all. So yea, if you can't progress on Puzzle A, go somewhere else. What's more likely to happen if you consult a guide is that you find out that you hadn't even reached the area that contained the clue you needed in order to progress with the puzzle you were stuck on.
The thing about this game is that you're never told if you have the tools available to solve a particular puzzle yet. Sometimes you approach a puzzle and you're just not ready to solve it yet. That's part of the design. Come back later.
Brainfreeze
Member
What was your opinion on Braid? And how would you say this compares to that? Mainly in terms of difficulty(and maybe atmosphere, story, theming effectiveness, if you want to discuss that). I thought that game was about perfect, where I was often on the edge of wanting to look up answers, but I always felt like I knew just enough and had just enough experience and was sooooo close to figuring it out that I'd stick with it. It wasn't punishing of mistakes and allowed experimentation, but you couldn't really accidentally stumble into answers either, so every puzzle was satisfying when solved.
Obviously this game has way more puzzles, and apparently plenty of the sort that require pen and paper to solve, by your own suggestion, so a direct comparison isn't possible, but any insight would be interesting to hear.
ilikesanta
Member
I need to remember to update my ps4 before I download this tomorrow. Glad to hear it's been getting rave reviews. Can't wait.
Orakio Rob
Member
I bought Braid years ago, played it for half an hour and thought "this is great, but I have other games to play right now".
The Witness gets announced. I'm not very interested.
Years pass.
I come to Neogaf and people are very excited about The Witness. I ask why, people explain, I'm intrigued.
I fire up Braid. Holy shit, the game is freaking amazing. Two days later (today), I finish the game and the ending is absolutely mind-blowing.
I am now very excited about The Witness. I'm so glad it took me this long to play Braid, because the long wait for The Witness would have been unbearable!
The Witness gets announced. I'm not very interested.
Years pass.
I come to Neogaf and people are very excited about The Witness. I ask why, people explain, I'm intrigued.
I fire up Braid. Holy shit, the game is freaking amazing. Two days later (today), I finish the game and the ending is absolutely mind-blowing.
I am now very excited about The Witness. I'm so glad it took me this long to play Braid, because the long wait for The Witness would have been unbearable!
Yup, got some mods help.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
The edit says it all. This sounds fantastic.
Vincent Alexander
Member
I'm glad this had a happy ending. I was going to be pretty upset if you didn't go back to finish Braid.
Chezzymann
Member
But the impression I got from GDJuistin was that some puzzles will just simply be too hard for some people even when accounting for all the clues you can find by exploring, id imagine eventually at some point you will have to come back to the harder puzzles
Very cool, glad you went back to it. Braid is a very particular game and I find I have be in a certain mindset to play it, and that's not always the case. And that ending is still the single greatest epiphany I've had in all of gaming, seeing what was really going on. Also one of the best examples of story telling through gameplay I've experienced. It's why I'm so excited for The Witness.
bloodyroarxx
Member
sucks that it doesnt unlock till tommorow during the day cause I have to be up all night tonight to set my sleep schedule for nights.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Bloodborne to test my resolve and The Witness to test my intelligence? I'm not having a good generation ...
Was hoping it would be up at midnight tbh, lots of games seem to be
Even Talos gave me problems, I will be stranded on the island forever.
thequickandthedead
Member
wow there is a massive difference from the minimum gpu to recommended (intel hd4000 to 780).
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Excited to play this when my Oculus Rift comes in.
Wait, what? Is it not coming out at Midnight EST tonight on PSN? I certainly hope it is, I'm quite excited to play tonight.
Why can't games just sell for whatever they're worth, without having weird and arbitrary labels of constraint like "mid-budget"?
Brainfreeze
Member
Unfortunately, I had the ending of the game spoiled for me years ago, before I knew I'd ever play it. And, even without context, I somehow managed to remember it years later when I played it just because the very concept was so interesting to me. I still really liked the ending, but I do wonder what my reaction would have been if I got to see it for the first time while playing.
Likewise with the
secret stars to collect, which I unfortunately saw when I looked up the game after beating it to see impressions and such on it more in depth.
I had an inkling that there was something up there, and I was interested in exploring the game more to find their signifigance anyway, but even still, seeing their existence (and the location of one or two, accidentally) I think is a bit of a shame on its own, having no more sense of mystery and eventual discovery around it.
I had an inkling that there was something up there, and I was interested in exploring the game more to find their signifigance anyway, but even still, seeing their existence (and the location of one or two, accidentally) I think is a bit of a shame on its own, having no more sense of mystery and eventual discovery around it.
There's only one puzzle in the whole game I didn't particularly enjoy, but there's something special about games when you can pinpoint the moment that made you say "wow, this is special."
The painting puzzle in World 1 was this for me.
the reflected praying figure in the trailer
DarknessTear
Banned
I'm very bad at puzzles but I still want to play this. Arghghghgh.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Think of it as 600 Bloodborne bosses. You'd keep coming back then.
cpp_is_king
Member
But how do you know if the puzzle you're stuck on is one that's "too hard" or you just don't have the information? Until you go look it up, read the solution, and then find out "oops, I could have actually solved that"