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[ProtoByte]

I'm adding content. Not commentary. Hard to believe it is anything other than a cover up.

That's fine, but Tucker's content is trash. It doesn't make any sense on its face, like a lot of the things he's said and done in the last few years.

saw this on twitter and it is wrong. Patel's gf works for an NGO that was started by an ex-Israeli intelligence person. The gf herself is not israeli or mossad. plenty of people work for PragerU and are not mossad.

This kind of misconception is emblematic of what pervades the discussion around cases like this. A rounding error percentage of people actually go through the timelines (in this case that goes back somewhere between 25 and 40 years ago depending on where you start) and official sources of evidence. How many people have actually read the memos? Or the 6-22 year old articles? Or seen the full videos of interviews and statements and actually paid attention to the precise language?

Like with Alex Acosta and his supposed statements about how Epstein was "for intelligence". He never actually made that claim personally - it was attributed to him anonymously. He didn't outright deny it, but never confirmed it.

Most people just kind of skim over secondary or tertiary sources, absorb a few snippets in (usually online) conversation and then regurgitate in extremely boiled down fashion, up to and including outright inaccuracies. And no one's instinct is to turn on their "rationality" when the subject matter is so evil and disgusting. And no one wants to be that person that says "let's get into the facts" because people will hear "facts/details" as "semantics" or "excuses" for something so disgusting.

But Bondi has not done well in facilitating clarity. It's one thing to talk a big game before you have the access and clearance to see behind the curtain, but she's been imprecise and sloppy with this as AG.
Even back in February with that binder photo op, the prospects for new significant information were looking weak.

Ben Shapiro is often willing to oppose obviously nonsense talking points from team R, so it's interesting to see him fully on board with the gaslighting campaign.

Shapiro leans towards mild institutionalism; but if you listen his rationale about this, it's difficult to say that it makes absolutely zero sense with the publicly available evidence.



This guy is not fond of the Trump admin and would be more disposed to believing in the "Mossad!!" blackmail theory by virtue of his opinions on Gaza.

Perhaps we should listen to Mike Benz, who has (supposedly) also done very deep research into this:

 

[SlimySnake]

lol Everyone on twitter is like this chick is too hot for this short stocky indian dude.



Note to Mossad: I am also available to be compromised as long as I get compromised by a hot 25 year old country singer.

 

[RoboFu]

"We will release the list eventually"

"there is no list"

 

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[TheMan]

Someone linked a tweet on reddit that I liked, something to the effect of: we may not have a list but we have way more pics of Trump partying with Epstein than we have of him playing with his own kids

 

[12Goblins]

Watching the Trump clips talking about Ghislaine it's becoming increasingly clear to me that she's getting pardoned on his way out and his supporters will just chalk it up to 'The deep state made him do it'; a cheap but satisfactory explanation to his supporters because it unburdens them of the painful cognitive dissonance they are facing

 

[MidGenRefresh]

 

[WhamBamThankYouMaam]

Of fucking course Trump is on that list.

 

[Rentahamster]

lol Everyone on twitter is like this chick is too hot for this short stocky indian dude.



Note to Mossad: I am also available to be compromised as long as I get compromised by a hot 25 year old country singer.

Are Indian people getting shit on a lot more recently or am I selectively noticing this? There are prominent people of Indian descent on both sides and ever since Ann Coulter dissed Vivek to his face the rhetoric surrounding this seems toxic AF.

 

[EviLore]

Are Indian people getting shit on a lot more recently or am I selectively noticing this? There are prominent people of Indian descent on both sides and ever since Ann Coulter dissed Vivek to his face the rhetoric surrounding this seems toxic AF.

Twitter is racism-maxxing and antisemitism-maxxing, mostly from foreign accounts and a vocal minority of extremists.

 

[SlimySnake]

Are Indian people getting shit on a lot more recently or am I selectively noticing this? There are prominent people of Indian descent on both sides and ever since Ann Coulter dissed Vivek to his face the rhetoric surrounding this seems toxic AF.

Twitter turned on Indians after the Vivek's Americans are lazy comments, and the H1B fiascos during the mass layoffs at the start of the year. it was a complete shitshow that naturally devolved into full blown racism because twitter doesnt believe in naunce.

Kash was their last hope and his betrayal to his base was always going to generate this kind of response from Elon's twitter. This is one of the funnier tweets. I've seen far worse.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Of fucking course Trump is on that list.

Then why didn't the Democrats release it to score easy points in the election?

 

[adamsapple]

Not sure how to embed just one tweet but the link seems to embed two.

 

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Then why didn't the Democrats release it to score easy points in the election?

Because they've got guys on that list too as well as mutual donors/supporters.

Pedos protecting pedos regardless of who is in the house.

 

[Rentahamster]

Then why didn't the Democrats release it to score easy points in the election?

If the underlying assumption is that many of worlds rich and powerful elite are implicated in this operation, that would mean the Democrats have just as much to lose as the Republicans. The world's rich and powerful elites include Democrats and their allies too.

Getting stuck in the one dimensional Democrats vs Republicans paradigm is often going to result in tribal thinking pattern that makes it seem like those are the only two "teams" or divisions of power worth considering.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Because they've got guys on that list too as well as mutual donors/supporters.

Pedos protecting pedos regardless of who is in the house.

If the underlying assumption is that many of worlds rich and powerful elite are implicated in this operation, that would mean the Democrats have just as much to lose as the Republicans. The world's rich and powerful elites include Democrats and their allies too.

Getting stuck in the one dimensional Democrats vs Republicans paradigm is often going to result in tribal thinking pattern that makes it seem like those are the only two "teams" or divisions of power worth considering.

I assume something like that's the case but the dude I was responding to for some reason was just singling out Trump.

 

[YCoCg]

Oh jeez, well that's alright then, we wouldn't want to harm the reputation of anyone on the list.

 

[BattleScar]

Oh jeez, well that's alright then, we wouldn't want to harm the reputation of anyone on the list.

Surely the jig is up now.
Surely the American people will no longer put up with this charlatan.

That boy himself is on the list. Him and his cronies.

 

[chromhound]

Leaders are really taking us for idiots

 

[DrFigs]

Very cool. Turns out the there were no clients. And here I was worried the U.S. government was captured by rich pedophiles.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

For those interested in this case, not sure if anyone has heard about John David Norman. Worth reading up on if you have interest in true crime cases. Not a lot of people are familiar with his story. Basically he was a guy in the 70s and even into the 80s and after who ran underage sex trafficking, prostitution, and pornography operations. He's distribute underage porn, he'd coerce kids into prostitution, sell them off to clients, he'd molest and rape kids, all kinds of gross shit. The guy was a total monster and a pervert. They didn't take these types of crimes as seriously back then so he was in and out of prison for continually reoffending until like the late 2000's where he finally got incarcerated for good.

Anyway when they raided his home in the 70s, they found tens of thousands of index cards of clients on them. A police lieutenant said at the time he had over 50,000 clients and some of whom were government employees and notable public figures. And that list was never made public. The state dept commandeered the index cards and ended up destroying them, so to this day we don't know who was on the list.

He also had this gross newsletter that he sent out to people featuring underage teen prostitutes and that newsletter apparently had thousands of clients and made hundreds of thousands per year.

To this day it's not know just how far his porn and trafficking operation went. His kid porn newsletter was in part financed by a dude named Frank Shelden who operated his own child porn ring out of North Fox Island Michigan where he'd bring children out there and film them doing sex stuff with clients. Both were ongoing around the same general time, 76, 77ish. And THAT pornography ring is suspected to have possibly been involved in the Oakland County Michigan Child Serial Killer case.

Shocking stuff.

The UK has two great examples of widespread pedophilia that was covered up or brushed aside by the state and establishment in general.

1. Jimmy Saville
2. National Pakistani child rape gangs

Both of these, plus your story and also Epstein come together to reveal how rotten it is with the silence around child exploitation. It's no longer surprising to discover that there are cover ups.

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

That boy himself is on the list. Him and his cronies.

NSFW

Spoiler

 

[DrFigs]

I assume something like that's the case but the dude I was responding to for some reason was just singling out Trump.

Trump the person is uniquely likely to be implicated by whatever is in the Epstein files. In a way that Biden and Kamala were not. He, himself, probably has reason to keep these files buried, having been close friends with Epstein for decades. According to Epstein, they were best friends.

 

[EviLore]

 

[ProtoByte]

Oh jeez, well that's alright then, we wouldn't want to harm the reputation of anyone on the list.

How are people still headline posting in 2025? With no link for that matter?

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5393750-bill-oreilly-donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-case/

>"I talked to President Trump, man-to-man, eye-to-eye, on St. Patrick's Day about this. … And he said — and I agree — 'There are a lot of names associated with Epstein that had nothing to do with Epstein's conduct.'"
>"They maybe had lunch with them or maybe had some correspondence for one thing or another."
>"If that name gets out, those people are destroyed, because there's not going to be any context. Media doesn't care about context, so, you can't do that. You can't destroy a human being by putting out the files, whatever they may be."

Surely the jig is up now.
Surely the American people will no longer put up with this charlatan.

That boy himself is on the list. Him and his cronies.

Trump the person is uniquely likely to be implicated by whatever is in the Epstein files. In a way that Biden and Kamala were not. He, himself, probably has reason to keep these files buried, having been close friends with Epstein for decades. According to Epstein, they were best friends.

If that was the case - that Trump was uniquely vulnerable to the "list" getting released - why would it not have been used against him at any point in the last 5 years? Especially during the 2024 election cycle? Every piece of dirt you could find on this guy has been aired out in the media and/or litigated in civil or criminal court. To say that this would be the smoking gun and scandal of the century would be an understatement.

 

[JayK47]

At this point this is a distraction. Aliens do not move the needle anymore, so we get the "Epstein Client List". If your name is on a list, does that even mean anything? Anybody can write down anything.

It is par for the course to over-promise and under-deliver for Trump. Still waiting for him to win the 2020 election. Release the Kraken, remember?

It is annoying that so many on his administration promised a list and we get fucking nothing. This will not be forgotten and it will come up in 2026 and 2028.

But even if they did give you a list, you wouldn't like it anyways. It would be insanely redacted. Or it would not have who you want on it and you would call it fake. Or nearly everyone would be on it and what are you going to do, arrest them all? Ha. We all know it, but they really cannot release "the" list, if it even exists. They cannot and they will not. They are damned if they do, damned if they don't. So obviously, it is easier to not release anything at all, since it is a lose/lose situation. The only reason I am mad, is they said they would release it and now they are not. Had they not promised anything, I would not have cared as much. I was not expecting it to be released until they said they would. And now they are pretending it doesn't exist. I wonder what changed? Unlike some here with TDS, I do not think that Trump suddenly changed his mind. I think something else happened. Someone else made a deal that could not be refused.

Either way, I will never know the truth. And neither will you.

 

[DrFigs]

How are people still headline posting in 2025? With no link for that matter?

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5393750-bill-oreilly-donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-case/

>"I talked to President Trump, man-to-man, eye-to-eye, on St. Patrick's Day about this. … And he said — and I agree — 'There are a lot of names associated with Epstein that had nothing to do with Epstein's conduct.'"
>"They maybe had lunch with them or maybe had some correspondence for one thing or another."
>"If that name gets out, those people are destroyed, because there's not going to be any context. Media doesn't care about context, so, you can't do that. You can't destroy a human being by putting out the files, whatever they may be."




If that was the case - that Trump was uniquely vulnerable to the "list" getting released - why would it not have been used against him at any point in the last 5 years? Especially during the 2024 election cycle? Every piece of dirt you could find on this guy has been aired out in the media and/or litigated in civil or criminal court. To say that this would be the smoking gun and scandal of the century would be an understatement.

You're asking me to be creative here. I can speculate about why the department of justice or the Biden administration would not want certain info out. there's probably lots of reasons. JFK has been dead for many years and the CIA is still being secretive about the facts in that case. We just (a few years ago) got new evidence of Saudi intelligence connections to 9/11. I don't know why for certain the government chooses what to reveal and not reveal.

But i don't have to speculate about how close Epstein and Trump were - we just have a lot of evidence that they were good friends.

 

[jason10mm]

Trump the person is uniquely likely to be implicated by whatever is in the Epstein files. In a way that Biden and Kamala were not. He, himself, probably has reason to keep these files buried, having been close friends with Epstein for decades. According to Epstein, they were best friends.

If that was even REMOTELY true, it would have been leaked in the past 4 years. Just look at the insane shit they threw at Trump to no avail. If they could have just pulled out the Trump proof they ABSOLUTELY would have done that, it's not like there is a literal 'list' that is an all or nothing deal, they just take the evidence against Trump (if there was any) and use that. Hell, they INVENTED the entire russia thing, why not this if it were TRUE?!?!

 

[Woggleman]

The reason it is not leaked is that The Clintons and many celebrities who are on the leftist side are involved big time. Biden and Kamala might not be that much but many on both sides are.

 

[12Goblins]

If that was even REMOTELY true, it would have been leaked in the past 4 years. Just look at the insane shit they threw at Trump to no avail. If they could have just pulled out the Trump proof they ABSOLUTELY would have done that, it's not like there is a literal 'list' that is an all or nothing deal, they just take the evidence against Trump (if there was any) and use that. Hell, they INVENTED the entire russia thing, why not this if it were TRUE?!?!

It was Democrat pedo island. Democratic governors, senators, and presidents were traveling to epstein island. You may also recall that Trump himself was a democrat. Not all that hard to grasp. I also find it strange that those most obsessed w Epstein don't even seem to know about the tapes released a few years ago where Epstein talks about how he was Trumps closest friend for 10 years and talks about all the depraved shit that Trump would do to his 'friends'.

 

[Rentahamster]

If that was even REMOTELY true, it would have been leaked in the past 4 years. Just look at the insane shit they threw at Trump to no avail. If they could have just pulled out the Trump proof they ABSOLUTELY would have done that, it's not like there is a literal 'list' that is an all or nothing deal, they just take the evidence against Trump (if there was any) and use that. Hell, they INVENTED the entire russia thing, why not this if it were TRUE?!?!

One plausible reason would be that the collateral damage is too great. Russiagate doesn't have any of that.

 

[Toots]

It was Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn who made the original quote @Grildon Tundy posted. The original is a bit longer and with more wit. Also from the Sovjet Union. His books are great if you haven't read anything of his

Gulag archipelago is the one to read
Don't forget tho that while he talks about the soviet system, his views on ideology and autoritarism are quite universal.
The speck and the log...

 

[kruis]

Not sure how to embed just one tweet but the link seems to embed two.

Let's not forget that Alan Dershowitz was on Epstein's defense team and got him a non-prosecution agreement in 2006. He must certainly have gotten an insight into what Epstein was doing back then.

 

[Lord Panda]

The missing minute of the recording just surfaced:

 

[WhamBamThankYouMaam]

Then why didn't the Democrats release it to score easy points in the election?

Because they have people on it too, of course.

Why do you guys act as if it is one good side and one bad side when there are two bad sides?

 

[Ownage]

 

[The Sum of Zero]

Because they have people on it too, of course.

Why do you guys act as if it is one good side and one bad side when there are two bad sides?

This. Both sides are fucking shit. Wish people would stop sucking the schlong of their preferred party and realize the truth.

 

[GudOlRub]

This. Both sides are fucking shit. Wish people would stop sucking the schlong of their preferred party and realize the truth.

They are lying.
The people know they are lying.
They know the people know they are lying.
And still they do it because they'll suffer no consequences since the people are too fucking worried about who's side is right instead of realizing that it's the elites vs the common folk, not the right vs the left or whatever the fuck.

Good luck to the neutrals who can't do nothing but helplessly watch their country tear itself apart while the 1% laughs its way to the bank and the pedo parties.

 

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[Hookshot]

Shocking stuff.

The UK, that was covered up or brushed aside by the state and establishment in general.

Paedophile Information Exchange - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Affiliation to the NCCL

Whilst PIE was affiliated with it, the National Council for Civil Liberties (now Liberty) argued that photographs of undressed children should not be considered "indecent" – and therefore illegal – unless it could be proven that the subject had suffered harm, or an inference to that effect could reasonably be drawn from the images. A document penned on the organisation's behalf by Harriet Harman (later deputy leader of the Labour Party), working as a legal officer at the time, placed the onus of proving harm on prosecutors and warned of the dangers of increasing censorship


Allegations against senior politicians

A number of senior Labour Party politicians were linked in newspaper stories to PIE in December 2013, and again in February 2014, as a result of their involvement with the NCCL at the time of PIE's affiliation. The party's deputy leader, Harriet Harman, had been employed by NCCL as an in-house solicitor and met her husband, the MP Jack Dromey, then a member of NCCL's executive committee, while working in this capacity. In addition, Patricia Hewitt was NCCL's general secretary for nine years. The former chair of PIE, Tom O'Carroll, claimed the three had not attempted to expel PIE out of fear for the impact this might have on their careers at the NCCL.

Harman denied she had supported PIE while at NCCL and the specific allegation that she supported a campaign for the age of consent to be reduced to 10, and expressed regret at the involvement of the NCCL with PIE. Dromey also denied the accusations.[58] Hewitt apologised separately, saying she had been "naive and wrong to accept that PIE was a counseling and campaign group".
In June 2015, documents emerged as a result of a BBC freedom of information request that revealed the then Conservative Home Secretary, Leon Brittan, refused to support a bill designed to outlaw PIE because he considered the law on incitement of sexual activities with children to be "not so clear".

On 19 July 2015, Australia's 60 Minutes broadcast an investigation of an alleged paedophile ring, into which abused children were supplied by one of PIE's founders, Peter Righton, who was also a former director of education in the National Institute for Social Work. The alleged network was said to include senior public figures such as Greville Janner and Cyril Smith, alongside a former head of MI6, Peter Hayman.

It's been going on for a long time here.

 

[adamsapple]

The missing minute of the recording just surfaced:

 

[No BBC=Anger]

If the entire country found out that every big wig and president over the past 30 years was banging kids, I feel like society would be in such shock that it would break down somehow. Like all trust in any higher power would be eviscerated in an instant. There'd probably be some sort of major revolt against the system and everything would need to be reset.

Or maybe I've just been watching too many movies.

I sometimes get the feeling that they could announce that online and on every TV, radio station, newspaper and gloat about it. And at least half the cattle listening would forget about it in a week and go back to watching sportsball. It takes small numbers to drive things forward. Start the revolution, guerrilla warfare etc.

 

[EviLore]

 

[The Sum of Zero]

I feel like this falls into the "No Shit, Sherlock" catagory.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

I agree. This is even worse than 9/11 and the subsequent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq over imaginary weapons of mass destruction.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

I've long had the theory that one day something would leak that would be so shocking and so prove conspiracy theorists right that it would lead to some kind of civil war, the Epstein client list sounds like it would be that, which is why they're so hesitant to release it.

 

[Burning Blade]

I suspect a lot worse than child rape was happening at these places and with these people.

 

[Nocty]

Twitter is racism-maxxing and antisemitism-maxxing, mostly from foreign accounts and a vocal minority of extremists.

not from foreign accounts, it's musk using a bot farm.

I would literally bet the farm on it, because he's a little rat

 

[EviLore]

 

[SlimySnake]

Came to post this. Absolutely insane.

The FBI deputy director is also resigning over this mess.

FBI’s Dan Bongino MIA from work after clash with Pam Bondi over Epstein files: report

Dan Bongino and Pam Bondi clashed in the White House this week, a new report reveals

www.independent.co.uk