DeafTourette
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The pictures of Trump and young Ivanka are ... I'm not sure what emotion I'm feeling
There is no Epstein Client List
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Rien
Jelly Belly
They are pretty disgusting if you ask me. His comments are even worse and his actions below that if that article is accurate.
DeafTourette
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There's video of him saying at least two of those quotes about Ivanka. I think all are on the record.
Bojji
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Same here...
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Disgust. That's it. Disgust is what I'm feeling
It is, but does that really matter? There are 2D and 3D stuff out there already with that content.
It's only a matter of time before someone wins a "there are no actual humans involved" lawsuit (be it porn, violence, whatever) that undermines the effort to ban this stuff. And it makes a certain amount of sense. If I draw a stick figure "we are not step-siblings" pron comic, what is the actual harm? No humans were involved, no children (or adults), no actual siblings. And since it is a crude stick figures, much like the marionette sex scene in Team America, its all up to the viewer to really inject the 'sin' into it. So at what point does resolution and photorealism cross the line? I suppose they can use the argument that AI is learning from real CP in order to build CP images but I'm not sure that's true.
It's gonna be the same with AI assisted "invisible glasses". I think there are already programs that can digitally 'strip' a person, and the less they are wearing, presumably the more accurate the nude modelling. Is it an assault on the person? Are deep fakes?
Al this stuff is gonna have to be legislated by the very same ancient, decrepit congresscritters wrapped up in this epstein stuff. Gonna be a total shitshow. It leads to those dumb disclaimers on drawings, the quick "you are my step-bro" comment (though if the actors aren't related, what does it matter the characters they play?), or the "I'm actually a 10000 year old dragon, I'm just drawn this way".
On the one hand it is a dirty feeling even debating these things. But on the other hand its the spear tip on general censorship issues and quickly leads to broader topics across entertainment, art, and technology.
E-Cat
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I agree, all the moralizing about cartoon porn is going to create more real victims (the only ones that matter). Let's hope society figures it out sooner rather than later.
roosnam1980
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And she sat on it through FOUR YEARS of ABSOLUTE HITLER, plus all THREE election cycles????
Rien
Jelly Belly
I wouldn't be surprised but I have doubts this is true, as in her friend having the tape
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Resident Cheap Arse
You are absolutley trying to defend Trump. You're in here downplaying, minimizing and dodging even the most blatant contradictions in his own statements. Again, you haven't seen it used because it would incriminate politicians, donors and "friends" of both the Democrats and the Republicans.
The Simplest answer is the one that has the most evidence behind it - the guy who was by admission close friends with Epstien, was photographed and recorded in his company and spoke knowlingly about his taste for young girls and boasted about his own. Who has been caught repeatedly lying about his association with Epstein and confessed abusers like Prince Andrew, and who's name in on the flight logs. The guy who Epstein himself claimed to be best friends with and is referred to by in tapes of Epstein and in conversations about tapes of who was engaging in activity. The guy who was in charge when Epstein mysteriously self-deleted and who is now trying to make the evidence and attention go bye-bye too. The simplest answer, is that that guy is covering his own tail because the evidence paints him into a very ugly child fucking picture.
Seriously, you're running damage control for child sex abuse. You are literally trying to downplay and dismiss one of the most blatant and clear cover-ups of our time because it implicates your dear leader.
Toons
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diffusionx
Gold Member
Mossad's original motto literally translated to "by way of deception"
As far as I am concerned this seals it. And you know what, he knows he's lying and he knows we know he is lying.
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Toons
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If they were gonna kill her they'd have done it by now.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Not going to lie, when I heard him, that was a bit of a neck turner to me, and mildly concerning somewhat.
E-Cat
Member
Former Israeli Prime Minister, can't get more reliable than that. I'm convinced.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
So much for the second commandment. Moses sheds a tear.
Donald mac Ronald
Member
Do we know why a former Israel PM visited Epstein 30 times after it was public of Epstein's crimes?
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
Dude. That is every major covert ops department on the planet.
If MI6 tells you the sky is blue, does it seal that the sky is actually red?
This "they're hiding it if they say nothing, they're lying if they say something" tap dance is a cornerstone of unfalsifiable myths. Where's the actual evidence?
While it's true that the political right has made a bed to lie in with the conspiracy minded base, it doesn't change the fact that this handwringing about the "list" now coming from the other side of the aisle is entirely cynical. They don't believe what they're saying. I've posted multiple links in this thread that are easily verifiable, often from the mainstream media at that. They know the foundations of this stuff is not based on any real facts.
Go ahead and take the political gains, but that's all it is. Grandstanding.
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DeafTourette
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*rubs chin*
I'm not defending Trump, just making more rational and grounded assumptions than you.
If this was 2016 and Trump was running for pres on a "release the list" plank and then did this, Yes, I would be more inclined to believe that there is incriminating evidence against Trump that he is trying to suppress.
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT he WAS president already, an "ABSOLUTE AMERICAN HITLER" according to the left and the MSM, had access to any "list" at that time, then spent 4 years as a citizen being RELENTLESSLY ATTACKED by the current admin of the time and the MSM, then runs AGAIN, gets in, and during all this no one leaks ANYTHING from this supposed goldmine of evidence? BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLSHIT.
The argument that "the list" would have to be released in its entirely to completely false. Just portions of it could be released, as it isn't a literal "list on a sheet of paper" but rather a compilation of evidence, all of which could be separated out. And if Trump says he's gonna go out naming names, well, who would care? The MSM is in control and could squash anything they don't want released, just like they did with the Hunter laptop full of all sorts of juicy stuff INCLUDING, supposedly, Hunter with underaged girls which was the reason those photos were removed from the internet in the first place.
So don't go cry that all these folks aren't torching Trump because it would have too much blowback. The reality is they could selectively release evidence, if they A. had anything conclusive and B. ANY of it related to Trump. You really think the DOZENS and DOZENS of analysts, investigators, and legal reps that must have access to this stuff would ALL stay quiet if they are looking at photos of famous and powerful people all fucking kids? You must believe we have aliens hanging out in Area 51 as well.......
This heresay rumor mill shit is the best they can do because it requires no proof and it just feeds into the confirmation bias of the listener anyway.
Nefarious Jewish conspiracy if an Israeli visits, no conspiracy if Clinton, Gates, Trump, Prince Andrew, etc., are best friends with him?
Not enough evidence to draw conclusions.
Donald mac Ronald
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Btw foreign intelligence agencies running blackmail ops is nothing new.
Remember that smoking hot russian Anna Chapman? While she obviously failed, her goal was to penetrate American high society. She could easily have fucked people and filmed it etc and blackmailed whoever.
The honey trap is the oldest trick in the book. No other foreign intelligence agency has been caught spying on the USA as much as mossad has. Theres hundreds of Americans in prison from being caught.
Imagine a honey trap on an industrial scale? Epstein island would be perfect for this. Not saying I quite believe that narrative. But if mossad could, they 100% would.
Remember that smoking hot russian Anna Chapman? While she obviously failed, her goal was to penetrate American high society. She could easily have fucked people and filmed it etc and blackmailed whoever.
The honey trap is the oldest trick in the book. No other foreign intelligence agency has been caught spying on the USA as much as mossad has. Theres hundreds of Americans in prison from being caught.
Imagine a honey trap on an industrial scale? Epstein island would be perfect for this. Not saying I quite believe that narrative. But if mossad could, they 100% would.
Donald mac Ronald
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Fair enough I only read down on the tweet you posted. Saw someone posted 2 articles saying this.
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Always remember:
www.newsweek.com
Israel Flagged as Top Spy Threat to U.S.
Israel was identified by the NSA as a security threat in several areas, including "the threat of development of weapons of mass destruction"
www.newsweek.com
I don't think it should be ruled out by any means, just a lot of the talk swirling around is speculative and being spread by people like Tucker (who is himself a foreign agent, arguably). There are claims that Maxwell's father had ties to Mossad too.
Wildebeest
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Everyone wants to think they have some special handle on "the truth" that other people don't. That they are the special ones. That's just human nature and confidence tricksters are always on the look out for people who are vain and think they are superior, doesn't change. People don't age out of it but still there is no fool like an old fool.
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Mistake
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I don't want to derail the thread, but I'd be interested in your take on this. Honestly, I'm unsure what to think of him, but at least he can be amusing.
As for everything else, how many connections do you need to draw an obvious conclusion? That's the problem with RICO stuff I guess
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Resident Cheap Arse
And when he was president the first time Epstein got off'd, under his watch, and in the most unbelievable circumstances that were never properly explained and have been repeatedly changed by Trump and his own people. We've gone from no security tapes and guards asleep, to tapes but not of the scene, to "raw" footage with blatant and clear gaps and metadata showing it has been cut and edited. When Trump was in power this whole cover up started and now that he's in power again he has his team declare the list he has constantly vouched for and talked about does not exist, has them release doctored and inconclusive footage, and then goes on to gaslight people for asking for the list and evidence and then flips again to claim Obama and Hilary fabricated a list to get at him, didn't use it, but put their own names on there.
You're not thinking rationally. You're not looking for the simplest explaination. You're twisting and evading all of the evidence and history of this and Trumps involvement in it. You're completely ignoring the contradictions and lies in his statements made about the list in just the past couple of days, and you're parroting all of the catch phrases and party lines (MSM, "American Hitler" "Russiagate") just to deflect and downplay the absolute shitshow that this guy is part of.
And I'm going to keep going on about the MAD aspect preventing the Dems from releasing the evidence because we have quotes from Gislaine acknowledging that tapes of both Trump and Clinton exist. Neither side can do a partial without the otherside being able to blow them up too. Mutually Assured Destruction. Same way a nuclear power can't launch "just a couple" of their nukes without getting nuked themselves.
And this isn't heresay. This is Trump and his administration's own actions exposing them. The constant lies and contradictions. Trump's desperation to stop people talking about the very thing he has bleated on about constantly to gain political points. "There is a list", "I've seen the list", "there are thousands of videos" to "There is no list", "stop talking about that guy", "there is a list but the Dems made it up to get me, never used it, but then put their own names in it"
When somebody shows you who they really are, believe them.
You are totally contradicting yourself. Either the "Epstein Files" are so hidden, so secretive that Trump can squash them through FOUR YEARS of an extremely hostile administration, OR they are so accessible, so open, so easy to get that if ONE PERSON in them gets outed, THEY ALL DO.
So which is it? Are the Epstein files so easy to hide that no one can get to them except Trump? Or are the contents so well known that Trump has allies ready to throw up their info if he gets outed?
MAD only works when EVERYONE has their finger on their button. But cover-ups, by their very nature, require a very small, very close knit group to maintain the confidence. Unless you think that every field agent, every analyst, every janitor in the room, every litigator, every congressional appointee, etc that EVER saw a piece of this was 10000% on board with hiding it and neeeeeevver would release info.
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I'm not contradicting myself at all. Both parties have been in power since the list and evidence has been in the hands of government agencies. Both will know what's in that evidence and who is implicated. There's nothing complicated there - both have had access to the ammo, both have reason not to use it and to retain it.
Everyone does have their finger on the button.
Now your turn. Do you believe this statement?
"Files written by Obama, Crooked Hillary, Comey, Brennan, and the Losers and Criminals of the Biden Administration, who conned the World with the Russia, Russia, Russia Hoax, 51 "Intelligence" Agents, "THE LAPTOP FROM HELL," and more? They created the Epstein Files, just like they created the FAKE Hillary Clinton/Christopher Steele Dossier that they used on me"
Why would he have his administration claim there are no files but then go on to claim there are files, but they were created by his opponents to get him, but never used to get him?
You say they relentlessly attacked him and threw everything they had at him, but didn't use the files he says they fabricated in order to attack him? by your own logic, that doesn't make any sense. He is contradicting your argument.
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Wherewithal Not Found
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Is it bad to say I wish that guy hadn't just clipped his ear? I feel like maybe we'd be worse off if he was a martyr but hot damn this president sucks eggs
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I honestly believe there was no assassination attempt. No one's ear regrows tissue/cartilage like that. And in less than 3 weeks it was back to normal? No scarring?
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
This doesn't track.
He was running on this issue in 2024 too. He was on Lex Freidman saying that he'd entertain it. He mentioned to Fox and Friends that he'd look at releasing it. JD Vance went on Theo Von and said that it must be released.
Even after election was over and he's in office, his administration kept teasing it. They even did that whole photo op with a bunch of influencers at the White House.
Regardless of how much President Trump was or wasn't running on releasing this information, the general vibe is that people think he was (24:04).
12Goblins
Thinks Sydney Sweeney is a man
You didn't see Tuckers investigating journalism™ video in Russia where hes just gobbling up Putin's dick the entire time (while Putin makes fun of him I may add) and marveling over shopping carts that even poor European countries have been using for 50 years ?
While there is no evidence of Tucker getting paid, people have gone under oath to say that Russia Today was paying right wing influencers, including Tucker specifically, to propagate Kremlin talking points.
We do know the US DOJ have charged two RT employees for giving millions of dollars money to right wing media groups like Tenet Media (ie Tim Pool, Dave Rubin) in exchange for Kremlin talking points. You can figure out the rest
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12Goblins
Thinks Sydney Sweeney is a man
This is a bad take brother. Or, at least, you have to offer some plausible explanation for all the other shit that happened that day if you're going to say something like that
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Yes. We strive to build a society that uses non-lethal methods to enact political change. You have every right to feel the way you do, but the notion that a functional society can assassinate its way to utopia is not one that I'd like to entertain.
E-Cat
Member
But did you know they got fresh bread in Russian supermarkets? Checkmate, Western hegemony.
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Jokes aside, supermarkets in Eastern Europe are on a whole other level.
12Goblins
Thinks Sydney Sweeney is a man
What do they do in eastern Europe?
This is what my grocery store has, and I live in fucking Kansas. It's fucking dope
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Yeah, that's a stupid gimmick. I hope it never makes its way to where I live. Where do you even put your kid to sit?
12Goblins
Thinks Sydney Sweeney is a man
How is it a gimmick?
You just throw shit in ur cart and then walk out. It's literally magic.
If you brought this to eastern Europe they'd crucify you for witchcraft
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The shopping journey using this is not that different from what we call self-scanning in The Netherlands. And that doesn't require any specific high-end shopping cart. It works with normal carts that have a child seat, regular small shopping baskets, mid-size baskets you can drag behind you, or even without any basket at all.
It's a gimmick. A very cool gimmick that I'm sure is meant to impress executives, but it's still stupid.
Your ignorance is shining through.
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12Goblins
Thinks Sydney Sweeney is a man
Sounds like the poor European version trying to make you do the cashier's work for free. JK! that's actually what they use in France and it's actually really nice. But in Europe unfortunately everyone steals shit so you can't have nice things and they have to audit you fairly often which defeats the entire purpose IMO. Anyway this cart is just the next level of that, and it just works
In the US you just leave your kid at home with an iPad and a glock in case of home intruders
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Not to mention that it eliminates yet another widespread "low bar for entry" job for kids, moms, and retirees. Of course when folks try to make these sorts of low skill jobs into "careers" and demand a "living wage" then OF COURSE the corporate solution is to eliminate the human job, not pay them more.
It's the natural consequence of having all those out of work coal miners "learning to code"
12Goblins
Thinks Sydney Sweeney is a man
Ya how else we gonna pay the 85 yr old cashier's at Walmart that are trying to pay their medical debt.Not to mention that it eliminates yet another widespread "low bar for entry" job for kids, moms, and retirees. Of course when folks try to make these sorts of low skill jobs into "careers" and demand a "living wage" then OF COURSE the corporate solution is to eliminate the human job, not pay them more.
It's the natural consequence of having all those out of work coal miners "learning to code"
But we digress
Cant believe y'all hating on my shopping cart, dam
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If only the guys behind those high-tech "AI" powered shopping carts were in charge of installing the CCTV where JE was locked up. We'd have definite answers by now.
Mistake
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No evidence means it's heresy. Tim pool and the rest were not convicted of anything, those charges were dropped. It's fine if you hate these guys, but don't go around saying stuff like it's 100% true. On the other hand with Ghislaine, she's convicted and there's no question as to why.
Damn it, here goes the derail...
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