There is no Epstein Client List
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Dr.Morris79
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At this point finding news of nothing being corrupt would be front page news
But, even that would be news as the news is corrupted
On a somewhat related note today:
Maurene Comey: Prosecutor in Diddy and Epstein cases fired by US justice department - BBC News
It is not clear why Maurene Comey was removed from her job at the elite justice department office in Manhattan.
www.bbc.co.uk
They're firing everybody who is an inconvenience. It's almost like voted in dictatorship. FBI information says something? Fuck that information doesn't matter because 1 person is in charge. US intelligence body says something else. Doesn't matter we're doing our own thing because 1 person is in charge. Disagree and they come down on you.
HeisenbergFX4
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All of these people don't seem to understand he no longer cares if people support him
What's going to happen, he wont win a reelection that he can't even run for again?
TonberrysKnife
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The levies are finally starting to break and it didn't even take a full year. I also just learned that Maurene Comey (James Comey's daughter) got sacked this week; NO COINCIDENCE RIGHT? The writing is on the wall here and I am gonna sit back and watch it burn.
Punished Miku
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They are a lot less concerned with actually changing anything meaningful here or they'd be talking about actions and congressional votes. It's usually just about themselves. They're just thinking that a post on social media absolves them of any responsibility for supporting this for a decade straight, and ignoring detailed warnings from literally everyone. They want people to pat them on the back and say they're great people. Me, me, me. This is an identity for them, so they always speak about it in terms of themselves. It's why people get stuck in the cult.
Even Trump posted that he is kicking people out of "MAGA" if they don't back him because they're weaklings and he doesn't want their support. Kicking them out of what lol? Kicking them out of the cult. It's not like he can kick anyone out of anything.
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Rien
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Epstein was a sex trafficker and a pedo, and Maxwell was his accomplice.
I do not believe the grand conspiracy that "the world's richest and most powerful people" or anyone else engaged in these crimes with him or purchased in them from him and/or that this was (and would logically have to be) used either as leverage and blackmail by him or some assortment of ringleading intelligence agencies; who would still not be able to run such an operation for 30+ years globally without coming into any truly credible journalistic or prosecutorial trouble, or it leaking from inside. There have absolutely been strange aspects to the story, but it's not nearly as secretive and sealed as it's made out to be. "Epstein Files" have been being released for years. There's plenty of stuff that's publicly available to read. People just don't do it.
The chief allegation that all the spun and re-spun grander conspiracy theories stem from came from Virginia Giuffre in 2014, who was so non-credible, the Maxwell prosecution didn't call her as a witness. That said, Giuffre's claims triggered a near decade long set of investigations and civil litigation backed by some of the world's most high powered law firms. She managed to get an out of court settlement from Prince Andrew because he was dumb enough to do that BBC interview, and had to actually retract her claim against Alan Dershowitz. After accusing a wide host of other big names for crimes, those are the only resolutions the legal arsenal she (and all other civil accusers) had could reach against named individuals (outside of Ghislaine Maxwell) 8 years after making the allegations in the first place. It was really the Netflix documentary and the Miami Herald articles - followed then by Epstein's arrest and death that allowed for events to even play out as such.
The others that Giuffre accused in court filings were never successfully sued or even settled with out of court.
Giuffre's death in April was very unfortunate, but the idea that it was "them" (the conspiracy) after more than 10 years of claims, investigations, civil disputes and millions in settlements money as opposed to her committing suicide as per Australian authorities is pretty silly on its face. "Why did she do it", you ask? Might have something to do with the restraining order that barred her from seeing her children:
Inside the Virginia Giuffre family’s battle over Prince Andrew’s millions
The Jeffrey Epstein victim died by suicide without a clear will, leaving her royal payout in limbowww.thetimes.com
There's a lot of attendant stuff with all of this, but the main takeaway is that Giuffre was, by available evidence, consistently non-credible.
Another person who "named names" was also dismissed on the claims of third parties.
Discredited claims about Clinton, Trump mentioned in latest batch of Epstein docs
The records are part of a defamation lawsuit brought by Virginia Giuffre, an alleged victim of Epstein, against his longtime companion Ghislaine Maxwell.abcnews.com
JP Morgan and DB each settled class action lawsuits compromised of Giuffre anonymous and non-examined self identified victims amounting to over 350 million dollars just for having had Epstein as a client in the past. Better to pay out than be dragged in a messy civil trial about something as radioactive as this subject.
The victims in the Maxwell trial did not allege being trafficked to third parties beyond Epstein himself.
So then, why is there such a powerful narrative about this online? Beyond the civil money around this, it was a big political tool as well. The online right and its whisperers absolutely leveraged the theory that "the system" set up and covers up such a disgusting thing as fuel for the movement. It was ancillary, and Trump himself never put any emphasis on it, but it did have significant enough influence in the election by way of activating some people who are not politically activated by conventional means. Frankly, you even see it here. It's a powerful thing for "the people" to believe that the entire elite class is so satanic and depraved, and all that's need to be done to bring forward utopia is use the outrage over that to finally bring down the oppressive "system". No rigour or evidence required.
Now that the admin has underdelivered, ie not confirmed the low-information biases of the most vocal segment of "the base", the other side of the political aisle (after 4 years of having the presidency with these files at hand) sees great opportunity in using it as an effective wedge in the right, and a cheap galvanizer on the left.
There's more that has been and could be further explained re: Dershowitz's statements as portrayed by non-linked headlines and clips (https://archive.is/ZUx0q), the Alex Acosta myths (look back to my previous posts here) screwy settlement foundations/NGOs etc, but this post is long enough. People can fact check of course.
Thank you for your time and effort to comment. You make good points I give you that. I don't know tbh, like everybody else. But the 180 of Trump does seem suspicious.
HeisenbergFX4
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With how ICE is, kicking them out could have a whole new meaning
I would like to see an objective legal review by a resourced and experienced prosecutorial team with the aim of identifying the individuals who knowingly engaged in illegal acts (both on the supply and the demand side) and then putting them in front of a jury of their peers to determine capability, guilt, and deliver punishment.
But I don't think there is a "a list" in the sense of a single, codified, grocery list type document of JUST the "bad guys" that you could release. What do they have? A bunch of flight records, corroborated by other evidence that the people on the manifest were actually on it and people not listed (or listed incorrectly) were also on the flights. Then you have witness statements by the victims, the prostitutes, the pimps delivering them, the help, possibly folks who went there for more above board reasons and didn't engage in sexual acts (if you believe them), and folks willing to flip on the others to try to save their own skin. There MIGHT be 'hard' evidence in the form of audio and/or video of recognizable people with underaged girls (and boys?). This would be THOUSANDS upon THOUSAND of pages of evidence, all of which has to be organized, cross referenced, and each piece validated and verified.
I'm sure there is stuff in there that would be DAMNING in the court of public opinion, Ghislaine could say "Yeah, I supplied Hillary Clinton/Donald Trump with teenaged girls coerced to go to the island by the promise of a modelling gig and then paid hush money" and it would be a bombshell. But if the GOVERNMENT released documents alluding to that same statement they would get sued for slander and libel to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars. I don't think they have enough to hold up in court. If they had enough for some folks, they would have picked the weakest couple of no-name dudes to be sacrificial lambs.
All this evidence would take a TEAM of folks to work through, dozens upon dozens of people, so the notion that Trump is implicated is silly (to me) because there would have been YEARS of access by a government very hostile to him where it could have been leaked. The notion that "if you prosecute one, you gotta prosecute them ALL' is also silly because the evidence can be easily segmented to isolate out targets. Unless EVERY flight manifest, EVERY witness statement, EVERY video log has multiple guilty people in them such that a defense attorney could unravel it all based on the evidence against their client. I doubt that is the case.
So, TL
R, asking for "the Epstein List" is kinda like asking "Who is responsible for WW2 atrocities?" Where do you even start?
Trogdor1123
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But they already have started that work as they already convicted someone. Also, just to say something is hard and will take a long time doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.I would like to see an objective legal review by a resourced and experienced prosecutorial team with the aim of identifying the individuals who knowingly engaged in illegal acts (both on the supply and the demand side) and then putting them in front of a jury of their peers to determine capability, guilt, and deliver punishment.
But I don't think there is a "a list" in the sense of a single, codified, grocery list type document of JUST the "bad guys" that you could release. What do they have? A bunch of flight records, corroborated by other evidence that the people on the manifest were actually on it and people not listed (or listed incorrectly) were also on the flights. Then you have witness statements by the victims, the prostitutes, the pimps delivering them, the help, possibly folks who went there for more above board reasons and didn't engage in sexual acts (if you believe them), and folks willing to flip on the others to try to save their own skin. There MIGHT be 'hard' evidence in the form of audio and/or video of recognizable people with underaged girls (and boys?). This would be THOUSANDS upon THOUSAND of pages of evidence, all of which has to be organized, cross referenced, and each piece validated and verified.
I'm sure there is stuff in there that would be DAMNING in the court of public opinion, Ghislaine could say "Yeah, I supplied Hillary Clinton/Donald Trump with teenaged girls coerced to go to the island by the promise of a modelling gig and then paid hush money" and it would be a bombshell. But if the GOVERNMENT released documents alluding to that same statement they would get sued for slander and libel to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars. I don't think they have enough to hold up in court. If they had enough for some folks, they would have picked the weakest couple of no-name dudes to be sacrificial lambs.
All this evidence would take a TEAM of folks to work through, dozens upon dozens of people, so the notion that Trump is implicated is silly (to me) because there would have been YEARS of access by a government very hostile to him where it could have been leaked. The notion that "if you prosecute one, you gotta prosecute them ALL' is also silly because the evidence can be easily segmented to isolate out targets. Unless EVERY flight manifest, EVERY witness statement, EVERY video log has multiple guilty people in them such that a defense attorney could unravel it all based on the evidence against their client. I doubt that is the case.
So, TL
SidViscous
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Wouldn't they have a deadman's switch?
I mean if the theories were all true and they had all this evidence to blackmail people in power with, they would 100% know they needed one to stay alive way before the jail sentence.
I mean if the theories were all true and they had all this evidence to blackmail people in power with, they would 100% know they needed one to stay alive way before the jail sentence.
Audiophile
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DeafTourette
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12Goblins
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I feel like these people are going through their entire lives being duped, it's only way I can think of to explain their behavior. First they are duped by the WWE, then they duped by the televangelists on the TV that extends to the church, they start siding with corporations that dupes them again, duped by the banks and credit cards that exploits them, finally finding a safe space with politicians like trump, only to be duped again and ultimately they believe the world is just a giant pyramid scheme and it's their turn to do the duping. I can't imagine the pain in their soul
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Mace tried to double down against the community notes only to be noted again, lol.
Fucking performative hacks.
Fucking performative hacks.
MidGenRefresh
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Mace tried to double down against the community notes only to be noted again, lol.
Fucking performative hacks.
Community Notes is one of the best features, if not the best, ever introduced on social media.
DeafTourette
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Mace tried to double down against the community notes only to be noted again, lol.
Fucking performative hacks.
Nancy Mace is NOT a serious person LoL! She's all kinds of stupid and a joke!
Punished Miku
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Ignorance is bliss. They probably have near perfect certainty that they're in the right. Doesn't really matter if the beliefs change day to day as long as they feel that emotional support of being in the club and having a righteous purpose.
SlimySnake
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I like how we fired the prosecutor who successfully prosecuted both Diddy and Ghisiline Maxwell without cause, and no one cares.
That's how fucked up this society is. We punish the people holding pedos and sex traffickers accountable.
When people look back at this time a 100 years from now, they will see this as the most corrupt period in the history of this country. Where billionares literally traffick women and children, and their friend politicians let them go free. Where billionares hold an insane amount of wealth while the middle class gets squeezed into living paycheck to paycheck. Where billionares literally buy elections, and fire hard working government officials for no reason whatsoever, and then are not held accountable when floods kill dozens of kids at summer camps.
In a country that wasnt completely compromised, Elon and whoever was incharge of the cuts at the national weather service, or the officials at the town that refused govt money to install sirens, would be in fucking prison for manslaughter. But we live in a time where the president can literally fire lawyers for putting pedos in jail.
That's how fucked up this society is. We punish the people holding pedos and sex traffickers accountable.
When people look back at this time a 100 years from now, they will see this as the most corrupt period in the history of this country. Where billionares literally traffick women and children, and their friend politicians let them go free. Where billionares hold an insane amount of wealth while the middle class gets squeezed into living paycheck to paycheck. Where billionares literally buy elections, and fire hard working government officials for no reason whatsoever, and then are not held accountable when floods kill dozens of kids at summer camps.
In a country that wasnt completely compromised, Elon and whoever was incharge of the cuts at the national weather service, or the officials at the town that refused govt money to install sirens, would be in fucking prison for manslaughter. But we live in a time where the president can literally fire lawyers for putting pedos in jail.
NickFire
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I think they should release the evidence the feds collected.
But suggesting that Trump's admin would only fire Comey's daughter over this and nothing to do with her father? I don't know man.
Punished Miku
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Second Gilded Age. Been named for a bit now. We'll see if people can ever figure out that income inequality is a little out of whack right now.
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Punished Miku
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Yeah, a lot of people missed those tapes. They came out around November of last year. Wasn't covered hardly anywhere but left wing sites. Not covered on CNN or middle or the road sites either really. Epstein goes into extreme detail talking about the kind of guy Trump is, says he's "not a good person," which is pretty dark coming from him. Would blackmail and get dirt on his friends to try and sleep with everyone's wives and all kinds of insane stuff. Same series of articles where Epstein says he was Trump's best friend for 10 years, Trump and Melania first slept together on Epstein's plane, the one Trump is still flying around, etc.
I'm mostly fine honestly. It's possible to look at the whole society though and think about things besides just yourself.Come on man, stop whinging and pull 'em!
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The problem with those tapes is that a pedo like Epstein has zero credibility. So when he says that trump liked to fuck his friends wives, and would put his friends on speaker while having their wives listen to them boast to him about their affairs, no one is going to take it seriously.
you would need those wives to come out and confirm that and no one did.
you would need those wives to come out and confirm that and no one did.
Punished Miku
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I guess. It's not even like the 100th worst thing he's done. It's just kind of painting a picture of the type of person he is, and the kind of complete lack of moral compass there. I don't even know if that's a crime, just shitty as hell. A lot of his sexual assault victims were also detailing stuff that was later corroborated, including his ex-wife. Guy's obviously a major creeper. His daughter will likely never confirm anything either, but holy shit it looks bad.
In those tapes Epstein also confirmed that he basically knew the entire inner workings of the White House and its day to day operations under Trump. Extremely well informed about all of it, from an insider perspective.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Lol i didnt expect this meme crossover in just under a day.
I think we are all missing the key point here. WIVES, not daughters. Trump was undoubtedly a sex pest, but I don't think he fucked kids.
Most of those wives are probably divorcees/widows by 2016 onward as well, so you'd think there would be more of a parade of women against LITERAL HITLER if they existed. Then again, maybe they just took their money and stuck to the deal?
March Climber
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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DeafTourette
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poppabk
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The 'my neighbour works at Nintendo' line at the end is genuinely hilarious.I can sum this interaction up (and many others recently) with one gif:
StreetsofBeige
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DragoonKain
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Seeing Donny T's base start to turn on him a bit over this is reassuring. I'm sure it's not all of his base, but I was worried that his cult was so far gone that there could literally be video of him banging a kid and they'd find a way to excuse it or say it's not a big deal. I have no idea if Trump will be implicated in any way in these files. I have my doubts, but can't rule it out. But if he is, I get the sense that his base would largely turn on him and I didn't think that a month ago. I thought they'd just call it fake news or do whataboutisms.
12Goblins
Thinks Sydney Sweeney is a man
I wish I could say I thought this was Americans coming together for the sake of government accountability, anti-corruption, and a collective push for transparency, but I fear a lot of this is driven by some quasi-religious Qanon type crusade against deep state cannibals that are trying to mind control you with vaccines and drink baby blood to achieve immortality or whatever. Lot of these people are just too far gone at this point and they've gone past the point of no return; it's no longer a set of beliefs but a core part of their identity and how they see the world and their purpose in it, it's honestly quite sad
but it explains why trump will never be able to shake it out of them
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Rien
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DragoonKain
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I do think a large portion of people only want these files released, not because they believe it will shed light on pedos who've harmed kids to get justice, but because they're hoping a key figure on the other end of the aisle is on it so they can dunk on them and go "See??? Your team is all full of pedos!!" And there's no doubt in my mind if these files are released and it has incriminating info on it, that's what will happen. But I think more people do want justice than I thought.I wish I could say I thought this was Americans coming together for the sake of government accountability, anti-corruption, and a collective push for transparency, but I fear a lot of this is driven by some quasi-religious Qanon type crusade against deep state cannibals that are trying to mind control you with vaccines and drink baby blood to achieve immortality or whatever. Lot of these people are just too far gone at this point and they've gone past the point of no return; it's no longer a set of beliefs but a core part of their identity and how they see the world and their purpose in it, it's honestly quite sad
LegendOfKage
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And here's another one. I think it's great that so many conservative influencers are pushing back on this. People like to call MAGA a cult, but I think the 3% that approve of how all of this is being handled seems to strongly suggest otherwise. I don't really like either major US political party, but I'm taking note of how various figures in conservative media are handling this situation. Thankfully, a lot of them seem to care more about the files themselves, rather than just blindly following Trump.
The_Observer
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It's funny reading that many of you can't understand why so many "MAGA cultists" as you call them are turning against Trump. Let me help you. The people turning against him are the kind of people who figured out the game in many cases a decade or even decades ago. What you are just realizing now, they realized a long time ago, namely that the game is rigged and it's no matter which side wins or who is the president, the result is always the same. The rich get richer exploiting the poor and the poor gets poorer (and suffer more and more in many ways) to put it simply. And what is behind how the world works is this sick shit they are involved in (see pizzagate from about 2016 for example). They hoped and believed Trump might be the one who crushes this corrupt system for reasons you will have to find out yourselves. But I know most of you won't care about the whys and just conclude that these are simply stupid people. These people were following Trump because they thought his goals aligned with theirs. So basically they saw Trump as their voice instead of them being his soldiers or cultists. This is the reason for their revolt against him.
But, how the Trump administration is handling this situation is so insanely incompetent that one can't help but wonder if it's not intentional to make EVERYONE angry and have them demand the release of the files. Because it works really good and it seems Trump is doubling and tripling down on this road. Why did they do it like this? They could have just kept their mouths shut about this whole issue and delay it infinitely saying it takes a lot of time to review etc. but instead they came up with this idiotic incompetent way of handling it. Am I the only one in here who finds this insanely weird?
But, how the Trump administration is handling this situation is so insanely incompetent that one can't help but wonder if it's not intentional to make EVERYONE angry and have them demand the release of the files. Because it works really good and it seems Trump is doubling and tripling down on this road. Why did they do it like this? They could have just kept their mouths shut about this whole issue and delay it infinitely saying it takes a lot of time to review etc. but instead they came up with this idiotic incompetent way of handling it. Am I the only one in here who finds this insanely weird?
Toons
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Dude nothing were seeing Trump do is new. He's not changed in any way. Hes been like this since before he ran.
I could list stuff but why bother? We've all seen it. Hes never hidden what he's about.
Anyone who got through all of it this last decade and still believed he was above this corruption, that he wasn't a part of the very swamp he was campaigning on draining, then theyvr have been woefully ignorant or are very easily swayed or both.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Of course the rich get richer.
It makes no difference which side wins because rich people with money have so much of it even if you grilled them an extra +10 pr 20% tax, they'd still blow away avg people. And a lot of riches are made in the stock market, not from everyday pay stubs. So as any markets go up, so does anyone who has stocks or retirement ETFs. For the ultra rich goes, you'd have tax them like 99% and also tax their regular pay stubs so much he never makes good money.
Not going to happen. And never will in any country.
Best way to make money and ride the train is to get on board. Make some decent money and then do some research and buy some stocks or do real estate. I did. Lots of other people did too. It's not hard.
Only way rich people go down the tubes is if the stock market explodes into the toilet and they also got such huge taxes on their $100,000+ salaries, they actually trend down while avg Joe Schmo misses all that and actually gains on him.
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