Holy shit. It just sounds like a dark and depressing parody at this point.
But it's real life. Sickening.
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Third mistrial in for police officer that murdered his daughter's black boyfriend
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Holy shit. It just sounds like a dark and depressing parody at this point.
But it's real life. Sickening.
Jmanunknown
Member
Has there a more ridiculous case than this?
Like is there a case where there were multiple videos of a cop killing someone and somehow gets off for whatever stupid reason?
Pick one Eric garner,( died on video after being put in an illegal choke hold and held down), Terence Crutcher (was also killed by a tulsa, oklahoma cop on video) John Crawford,( was in walmart shopping with his girlfriend on the phone doing absolutely nothing wrong when he was killed by an officer everything on video) Tamir Rice,(12 year old playing in the the park with a bb gun by himself killed by an officer on video) Philando Castille, (was killed doing everything right at a traffic stop killed on video in front of his girlfriend and daughter.) In every single one of those cases the officer was either not indicted or the jury decided that indeed black lives do not matter even with irrefutable video evidence.
The fourth trial just ended and the killer was found Guilty of first-degree manslaughter.
http://www.newson6.com/story/366229...r-gets-15-years-for-first-degree-manslaughter
http://www.newson6.com/story/366229...r-gets-15-years-for-first-degree-manslaughter
Saucycarpdog
Member
The fuck kinda lazy defense is this?Kepler said he pulled the trigger because he saw Lake pull a semi-automatic weapon out of his pocket. Kepler said he fired more than one shot because Lake kept reaching for his gun.
Kepler said he never felt resentment or hatred towards Lake, and said he went to the home where the shooting happened to find his daughter Lisa and ask her to return home.
He said he saw people coming towards him after he pulled the trigger so he got in his car and left.
The former Tulsa Police officer said he was going to call 911 but called his wife instead because "he realized he was in a pickle." Kepler told the prosecution he didn't call 911 because he thought someone else at the scene had done it, but he admitted he didn't see anyone pick up and dial.
The kind that gets a murdering cop three mistrials in America.The fuck kinda lazy defense is this?
The defense also argued it's not Likely after Kepler's two decades with the Tulsa Police Department that his character would've changed and he would murder someone.
cause working for the police for two decades makes you infallible, or above the law?
MooseKnuckles
Banned
Fourth times a charm.
I like this excerpt;
Because what it actually implies is that, if his character hasn't changed, he was a bigoted, hot-headed monster who had no business working in law enforcement for those two decades.
I like this excerpt;
The defense also argued it's not likely after Kepler's two decades with the Tulsa Police Department that his character would've changed and he would murder someone.
Because what it actually implies is that, if his character hasn't changed, he was a bigoted, hot-headed monster who had no business working in law enforcement for those two decades.
With the witness testimony this case had. It's insane that it had to go through 4 trials just to get a guilty verdict.The fourth trial just ended and the killer was found Guilty of first-degree manslaughter.
http://www.newson6.com/story/366229...r-gets-15-years-for-first-degree-manslaughter
The fourth trial just ended and the killer was found Guilty of first-degree manslaughter.
http://www.newson6.com/story/366229...r-gets-15-years-for-first-degree-manslaughter
That's not enough. He drove to this young man's house, and murdered him. How is it manslaughter? He didn't mean to murder him with the multiple shots fired? Bullshit. And it took four trials for this bullshit, disgusting.
excelsiorlef
Member
Credit to the prosecutors office for sticking with this.
I can't.In case you forgot or never heard about the case, parents kick out their daughter (age 18) out of the house for sneaking out one day. They drop her off a homeless shelter. A black guy befriends her and gives her a home. They become significant others. Furious dad goes to seek them out one day and finds them walking on the street. He confronts them and shoots the boyfriend, claiming black boyfriend had a gun and was going to shoot him. No other gun was found at the scene. Multiple eye witnesses, including his own daughter, claim he was the agressor who shot the boyfriend. All their testimonies are consistent. Only the police officer has a different story. 3 mistrials so far.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Manslaughter? Joking? Like seriously?
EdibleExplosives
Member
How the fuck is shooting someone multiple times considered manslaughter and not murder?
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Deleted member 231381
Unconfirmed Member
Manslaughter? Joking? Like seriously?
Probably to make sure he got convicted. Murder requires proof of intent to kill and is easier for racist juries to deny without appearing obviously racist. Manslaughter just requires proof intent to cause serious injury, which is pretty hard to deny when the guy shot at someone. Sadly, it might have been a choice between the lesser charge or no conviction.
Good, but... four trials. Four. Trials.
This fucking country depresses the shit out of me. I pray for the day that black lives actually mean something in this god damned place.
First degree manslaughter seems like a light sentence, but hey, Im just glad they found him guilty of something. It shouldnt have taken four trials, but at least hes being punished by the law.
This fucking country depresses the shit out of me. I pray for the day that black lives actually mean something in this god damned place.
First degree manslaughter seems like a light sentence, but hey, Im just glad they found him guilty of something. It shouldnt have taken four trials, but at least hes being punished by the law.
Fourth times a charm.
I like this excerpt;
Because what it actually implies is that, if his character hasn't changed, he was a bigoted, hot-headed monster who had no business working in law enforcement for those two decades.
No, its literally saying He was a police officer, therefore he cant be a murderer. Which for some reason works way too often.
As for why it is manslaughter. At least some of the jury members may have believed that the cop believed that he saw a gun, and so they settled on the lesser included charge of first degree manslaughter. Now I think it that is BS, it was likely murder plain and simple, just trying to explain how it may have went.
It appears the sentence for this crime is minimum of 4 years and max of life. And the jury recommended 15 years. So he will certainly be punished, though probably not appropriately. At least he will never be a cop again and will be a convicted felon the rest of his life.
It appears the sentence for this crime is minimum of 4 years and max of life. And the jury recommended 15 years. So he will certainly be punished, though probably not appropriately. At least he will never be a cop again and will be a convicted felon the rest of his life.
SolarPowered
Member
Four trials just for manslaughter? What a crock of shit. Props to the people who kept momentum alive, though. I can't even imagine how hard this has been on the family, girlfriend and professionals seeing justice being pulled out of reach again and again.The fourth trial just ended and the killer was found Guilty of first-degree manslaughter.
http://www.newson6.com/story/366229...r-gets-15-years-for-first-degree-manslaughter
tonysidaway
Member
In case you forgot or never heard about the case, parents kick out their daughter (age 18) out of the house for sneaking out one day. They drop her off a homeless shelter.
Lisa is adopted and over 18 but she was expected to keep some kind of curfew, and she was ditched and disowned when she didn't. That sounds like deeply callous treatment. I hope she gets a chance to start a better family.
Yaphett Kotto
Member
Fucking manslaughter for what was basically premeditated murder.
This shit writes itself.
This shit writes itself.
Fucking manslaughter for what was basically premeditated murder.
This shit writes itself.
And it took four different trials just to find a jury willing to give him that.
PhantomThief
Banned
America is so totally royally FUCKED.
Fix your damn country
Fix your damn country
America is so totally royally FUCKED.
Fix your damn country
A single racist/someone biased in favor of the police can prevent a conviction for such cases. I'm not sure what there is to be done to fix it.
At least in this case the prosecution was willing to try the fucker, at great expense no doubt, four times. In Oklahoma.
HarryHengst
Member
A single racist/someone biased in favor of the police can prevent a conviction for such cases. I'm not sure what there is to be done to fix it.
At least in this case the prosecution was willing to try the fucker, at great expense no doubt, four times. In Oklahoma.
Easy: dont have jury trials to decide whether someone is guilty or not, leave it to professionally trained judges.
Easy: dont have jury trials to decide whether someone is guilty or not, leave it to professionally trained judges.
That's a terrible idea. America has a lot of really shitty professionally trained judges.
Easy: dont have jury trials to decide whether someone is guilty or not, leave it to professionally trained judges.
Yes, getting 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of the states to agree to changing the constitution for this purpose would be easy.
Yaphett Kotto
Member
And it took four different trials just to find a jury willing to give him that.
Yea thats the headbashing part.
This is one of those cases that should tell people how fucked the justice system can be but it won't.
Hahahah good one, judges can be racist as shit to and are cynical as fuck.Easy: dont have jury trials to decide whether someone is guilty or not, leave it to professionally trained judges.
Disgusting as it is, I am glad they got him on something. Now we wait for sentencing. Who else thinks he'll get something soft as fuck like probation and time served?
From what I can tell, the minimum is four years (max, life).
The jury has recommended 15 years.
He will actually serve time, I'm pretty sure.
Don't you also vote in judges in the US? Sounds like a system that made sense 200 years ago but not today.Hahahah good one, judges can be racist as shit to and are cynical as fuck.
Don't you also vote in judges in the US? Sounds like a system that made sense 200 years ago but not today.
Lot of places, yes. Laws are different in every state.
For the federal judges, the President (yes, Donald fucking Trump) gets to pick judges.
From what I can tell, the minimum is four years (max, life).
The jury has recommended 15 years.
He will actually serve time, I'm pretty sure.
That makes me feel a little bit better.
Depends on where you are at and the voting of judges is a post civil war thingDon't you also vote in judges in the US? Sounds like a system that made sense 200 years ago but not today.
.In the face of an open and shut murder case against a cop, the US justice system apparently just locks up and crashes.
Good they finally got him, still infuriating the prosecutor had to go for manslaughter to do it just to get the racist fucking jury no way around it.
It is fully possible that the prosecutor was going for a murder charge again and the jury decided on the lesser included offence of first degree manslaughter.
FreedomFighter
Member
Gaddamn. Never heard of this story. Even his own daughter days he's the aggressor but he still can't get convicted because he's a cop and he killed a Black guy - so the of course, the Black guy somehow "deserved" it. Defense probably playing up the usual racial tropes as well?
You just can't get justice in this country if you're a Black male l feel like. White people can do whatever they want to you and you have no recourse.
Remind me why Black men should stand for the anthem again?
You just can't get justice in this country if you're a Black male l feel like. White people can do whatever they want to you and you have no recourse.
Remind me why Black men should stand for the anthem again?
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
I think getting a white cop a murder conviction for killing a black person is about as impossible as dividing by zero.
All they have to say is "I felt threatened", " I thought he reached for a gun" and thats it for the murder charge and most of the time thats even enough to justify the shooting.
All they have to say is "I felt threatened", " I thought he reached for a gun" and thats it for the murder charge and most of the time thats even enough to justify the shooting.
That makes me feel a little bit better.
Still not enough.
This mofo killed someone in cold blood, but only gets 15.
Agent Gibbs
Member
Well I'm glad he was convicted but it still leaves a bitter taste ; it took four trials and he only got manslaughter
I hope sentencing follows the correct path
I hope sentencing follows the correct path
Angelus Errare
Banned
Sentenced to 15 years, will serve like 7-8.
From what I can tell, the minimum is four years (max, life).
The jury has recommended 15 years.
He will actually serve time, I'm pretty sure.
He'll probably be treated like royalty in jail
Like, I'm glad he's being punished, honestly expected another garbage update about him completely walking away for the most part