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[Htown]

No one is saying they are racists who want to ruin America

It's just they are ok with being governed by racists who want to ruin America.

That might actually be worse.

Like, you know that you're voting for a racist fuck, but you think he'll be better for you personally, so you do your best to get the racist fuck into office because you're secure in the knowledge that you're not actually a racist so your conscience is clear?

That might actually be more morally disgusting than actually voting for a racist because you are racist too.

 

[Lothars]

Man, Hillary voters whine a lot.

It's not them that is whining, it's the people that are going from bernie to trump who deserve to be critizied. It makes no logical sense and deserves to be called out.

Some of them do it, sure. Though ever since the first Super Tuesday, there has been a lot more from Hillary Supporters. "If you don't vote Clinton you are evil and racist and hate minorities and not real Liberal grumbelgrumble."

You are the one who said that harper is better than clinton, it shows a lack of common sense honestly. I don't know how you can say harper was any good.

 

[<+)O Robido O(+>]

I don't know why I keep getting wrapped up in these threads. I'm not voting for Trump, and I sure as hell ain't voting for Clinton. All the rest of the DEMs will get their circle filled in though. Hope that doesn't make my black ass a racist.

Spoiler

I'll be voting for Jill Stein, so I'm not misogynist either.

I live in Texas, so it doesn't matter who I vote for really. Question for the Clintonites, were your communities unaffected after all the superpredators were taken away? Did your police forces not turn into the military seemingly overnight? Clinton policies have not been kind to my community, so I assume all this love is because she's not Trump. Maybe my community was hit harder than most, but Hillary gets no love down here. I'm kind of shocked at the support to be honest.

 

[pgtl_10]

Can you explain to me how going from Bernie to Trump isn't racist? Can you explain how not voting in such a pivotal election with the other parties leading candidate being openly racist doesn't fuck over the minorities whose side you claim to be on?

Can you explain to me how this thread isn't scary thinking?

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I see Angelus is in here offering that distilled truth.

I have nothing to offer to the discussion after that. Hopefully people will learn and absorb.

 

[ugaboga232]

Honestly I think the argument of "I can't vote Hillary because her policies are too centralist/compromising"...as if Bernie would be able to pass ANY of his policies without compromise. It's like they don't understand how checks and balances work or who controls the House and Senate, or worse they've deluded themselves into thinking Republicans would just step aside and let Bernie pass all his policies with no push back because they're feelin the bern and the revolution is not being televised.

Meanwhile back in the real world, in order for Bernie to pass any of his policies he's going to have to water them down severely and give up on others which means in the end...his polices would damn near be clones of Hillary's.

I think you are being a bit hasty, most people know that on most issues bernie won't be able to do more than hillary but some issues hillary actively "regresses" and bernie himself i guess is symbolic of increased acceptance of more radical ideas. But some people believe on foreign policy, national security, and drugs that hillary is actively espousing bad ideas instead of being unable to pass good ones.

 

[Trojita]

Only makes you an over-priviledged white male with little sympathy for minorities, but okay.

Is Huelen even a white male?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

voting for Trump doesn't make you a racist...

...We need to let go of this fear, assumption and hate.

You cannot do this while voting for Trump. This is the break in the circuit. You cannot logically argue for letting go of fear and hate while simultaneously considering a vote for a reality show host whose entire campaign trades almost specifically in fostering those two specific emotions.

And while a vote for Trump doesn't necessarily come with any sort of upfront admission that one is racist, it's almost impossible to divorce that vote from a tolerance of his brand of xenophobia and prejudice.

People who vote for Hillary even though they don't really like her are deciding to settle for side-effects to progressive legislation that include:

*Potential softness on corporations and corporate dealings
*A less measured/more aggressive military stance in foreign dealings

People who vote for Trump even though they don't really like him are deciding to settle for side-effects to potential financial gains (he's not even a historically good businessman) that include:

*A cold war with Mexico
*Guaranteed military offensives in the middle-east
*General intolerance of brown people, queer people, and women in general, at home and abroad.

Given that comparison, and what choosing the one over the other seems to say about your levels of tolerance for those percieved negatives, how could you, in good conscience, decide that the side effects of the latter are the preferred choice?

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Honestly I think the argument of "I can't vote Hillary because her policies are too centralist/compromising"...as if Bernie would be able to pass ANY of his policies without compromise. It's like they don't understand how checks and balances work or who controls the House and Senate, or worse they've deluded themselves into thinking Republicans would just step aside and let Bernie pass all his policies with no push back because they're feelin the bern and the revolution is not being televised.

Meanwhile back in the real world, in order for Bernie to pass any of his policies he's going to have to water them down severely and give up on others which means in the end...his polices would damn near be clones of Hillary's.

We have the crazy thing called...wait what do the kids call it now, tape? Look at Obama in 08 and compare that to the things that actually happened. Bernie wants UHC; do people not remember how difficult it was to get the watered down ACA we have now? Politics aren't the campaign trail.

 

[Big Baybee]

Can you explain to me how this thread isn't scary thinking?

Saying hey, let's unite against a racist asshole who will effective ruin the country with his policy and court appointments for decades is scary thinking? Interesting.

 

[HUELEN10]

Is Huelen even a white male?

They are not.

 

[IrishNinja]

Spoiler

I'll be voting for Jill Stein, so I'm not misogynist either.

didn't even know she was running - Greens, i take it?

Can you explain to me how this thread isn't scary thinking?

be scared about threads on a gaming forum but not over bigots running the free world, brehs

I see Angelus is in here offering that distilled truth.

I have nothing to offer to the discussion after that. Hopefully people will learn and absorb.

post above yours leaves me less than hopeful

 

[...Scatter...]

You cannot do this while voting for Trump. This is the break in the circuit. You cannot logically argue for letting go of fear and hate while simultaneously considering a vote for a reality show host whose entire campaign trades almost specifically in fostering those two specific emotions.

And while a vote for Trump doesn't necessarily come with any sort of upfront admission that one is racist, it's almost impossible to divorce that vote from a tolerance of his brand of xenophobia and prejudice.

People who vote for Hillary even though they don't really like her are deciding to settle for side-effects to progressive legislation that include:

*Potential softness on corporations and corporate dealings
*A less measured/more aggressive military stance in foreign dealings

People who vote for Trump even though they don't really like him are deciding to settle for side-effects to potential financial gains that include:

*A cold war with Mexico
*Guaranteed military offensives in the middle-east
*General intolerance of brown people, queer people, and women in general, at home and abroad.

Given that comparison, and what choosing the one over the other seems to say about your levels of tolerance for those percieved negatives, how could you, in good conscience, decide that the side effects of the latter are the preferred choice?

Nailed it.

 

[pgtl_10]

Saying hey, let's unite against a racist asshole who will effective ruin the country with his policy and court appointments for decades is scary thinking? Interesting.

No claiming everybody is racist, hippy, white,...etc. because they don't vote for your candidate is scary.

A lot of manchildren here.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

It's amazing how many people think Hillary is entitled to everyone's vote. It's a shame she even wasted her time campaigning.

With the stuff that the Republican's candidates are saying I'm having a hard time understanding why would anyone rational vote for them.

It just shows what people value most, I guess the well being of a sizable portion of the population is not that important.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

I don't know why I keep getting wrapped up in these threads. I'm not voting for Trump, and I sure as hell ain't voting for Clinton. All the rest of the DEMs will get their circle filled in though. Hope that doesn't make my black ass a racist.

Spoiler

I'll be voting for Jill Stein, so I'm not misogynist either.

I live in Texas, so it doesn't matter who I vote for really. Question for the Clintonites, were your communities unaffected after all the superpredators were taken away? Did your police forces not turn into the military seemingly overnight? Clinton policies have not been kind to my community, so I assume all this love is because she's not Trump. Maybe my community was hit harder than most, but Hillary gets no love down here. I'm kind of shocked at the support to be honest.

So you have the luxury of your vote being 'meaningless' (hello Texas voter!). If you lived in a swing state would you still be voting for Stein?

 

[ugaboga232]

There seems to be 2 big discussions going on in here. First is the trump vs hillary which I think has been hashed out significantly and second is the hillary vs 3rd party/no vote. Very different reasons for both of the decisions not to vote hillary.

 

[...Scatter...]

No claiming everybody is racist, hippy, white,...etc. because they don't vote for your candidate is scary.

A lot of manchildren here.

I think you're missing the forest for the trees. I'm not trying to cut you down but I think you may be intellectually dishonest and ignoring the context of this election. I would argue that the most coherent, thoughtful explanations have been made to support the viewpoint and ignoring those to focus on generalizations is more scary.

 

[Angry Puppy]

People who try to shame others to vote for their preferred candidate are disgusting.

A non-vote is just that. It is not a vote for Trump nor is it a vote for Hilary.

 

[IrishNinja]

It is scary.

Agreed but this thread is scary.

Can you explain to me how this thread isn't scary thinking?

because they don't vote for your candidate is scary.

to all the killahs & the hundred dollah billahs

Smh, tell that Al Gore.

as an FL resident: still too soon

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

People who try to shame others to vote for their preferred candidate are disgusting.

A non-vote is just that. It is not a vote for Trump nor is it a vote for Hilary.

Smh, tell that Al Gore.

 

[ElRenoRaven]

You know here is how I look at it. Would I have loved for Bernie to demolish her and win the nomination? Hell yes. That said he's not. It sucks I know. But When I look at November here is what I see. I see one candidate who is a disgusting racist, misogynistic and frankly very dangerous person to have as president. The other is someone who leans left and at least in the past has helped fight for better healthcare, etc. Sure she's pretty much big business as usual but she is still by far the lesser of the two evils.

By not voting I'm just making it easier for Trump and those like him to get him in office. So you had better believe I will be voting for Hillary in the general.

 

[pgtl_10]

I think you're missing the forest for the trees. I'm not trying to cut you down but I think you may be intellectually dishonest and ignoring the context of this election.

No this thread is scary. It shows the true beliefs of many people and their intolerance toward beliefs that do not conform with their own. They sound like a religious extremists.

 

[...Scatter...]

Smh, tell that Al Gore.

Or John Kerry.

 

[AnathemicOne]

i actually really sympathize with the voter apathy thing - it's why i find gerrymandering & the increasing voter ID laws so heinous & anti-democratic. but again, as a pragmatic, i do think others here established the importance of taking part in an even locked-in state...these things are studied, and send ripples. my homestate went for obama both times (i wanna say) but i live in a sea of blue surrounded by an otherwise firmly red state...swing or not, how's that gonna change if i just resolve myself to letting these baby boomers decide our path?

And yet this thread attempts to persuade people away from vote apathy via bashing which, again, doesn't help when you are referring to locked-in states. But what if you're not talkign to locked-in states? Well better fucking specify then instead of throwing out these broad strokes.

 

[commedieu]

You cannot do this while voting for Trump. This is the break in the circuit. You cannot logically argue for letting go of fear and hate while simultaneously considering a vote for a reality show host whose entire campaign trades almost specifically in fostering those two specific emotions.

And while a vote for Trump doesn't necessarily come with any sort of upfront admission that one is racist, it's almost impossible to divorce that vote from a tolerance of his brand of xenophobia and prejudice.

People who vote for Hillary even though they don't really like her are deciding to settle for side-effects to progressive legislation that include:

*Potential softness on corporations and corporate dealings
*A less measured/more aggressive military stance in foreign dealings

People who vote for Trump even though they don't really like him are deciding to settle for side-effects to potential financial gains that include:

*A cold war with Mexico
*Guaranteed military offensives in the middle-east
*General intolerance of brown people and women in general, at home and abroad.

Given that comparison, and what choosing the one over the other seems to say about your levels of tolerance for those percieved negatives, how could you, in good conscience, decide that the side effects of the latter are the preferred choice?

People don't want to be called racist for voting for trump. While he is the embodiment of racism, as are his hate rallies. They simply are doing it for bogus reasons that he has no chance of fulfilling. Just like any president. We don't vote in kings. And the establishment gop hates him. This is what all candidates are going to face.

So sure they aren't literally racist. Just voting with followers that yell go home nigger to assaulted visible minorities.

As stated earlier by Ang, it's a luxury consideration that few minorities have.

 

[AstroNut325]

You cannot do this while voting for Trump. This is the break in the circuit. You cannot logically argue for letting go of fear and hate while simultaneously considering a vote for a reality show host whose entire campaign trades almost specifically in fostering those two specific emotions.

And while a vote for Trump doesn't necessarily come with any sort of upfront admission that one is racist, it's almost impossible to divorce that vote from a tolerance of his brand of xenophobia and prejudice.

People who vote for Hillary even though they don't really like her are deciding to settle for side-effects to progressive legislation that include:

*Potential softness on corporations and corporate dealings
*A less measured/more aggressive military stance in foreign dealings

People who vote for Trump even though they don't really like him are deciding to settle for side-effects to potential financial gains (he's not even a historically good businessman) that include:

*A cold war with Mexico
*Guaranteed military offensives in the middle-east
*General intolerance of brown people, queer people, and women in general, at home and abroad.

Given that comparison, and what choosing the one over the other seems to say about your levels of tolerance for those percieved negatives, how could you, in good conscience, decide that the side effects of the latter are the preferred choice?

I agree with this. And historically and statistically speaking, a no-vote is a vote for Republicans in the US elections.

 

[Phu]

My stance is that I'm sticking with Bernie for as long as I can.

BUT... if he doesn't make it to the ge, I'd rather have Hillary spinning tires for 4 years than have one of the crazy republican frontrunners actively set the damn bus on fire.

BUT BUT... if Hillary wins it all I'm totally gonna bitch about every dumb thing she'll inevitably do. I'm not a fan of hers. If she wins and I ever got to meet her I'd be sure to let her know that she got my vote because she was better than the alternative of literal scum of the earth. She could be a 6-year-old toaster oven and I would still choose her over Trump/Cruz.

IMO, the best option for America is Bernie, but it's looking like most of America doesn't agree with me. Not voting isn't going to get him elected. From my perspective, America is already screwing up.

However, if the gates of hell fly open and Trump is somehow elected as president, that's America's fault. The political climate, the election systems, the events that have lead to any percentage of people thinking Trump is a decent idea, any perception that Hillary isn't actually a good choice, etc. It won't be because a small subset of Bernie supporters decided not to vote. Trump and Cruz should not have made it this far. I see that as a failure already. The country I want to live in would have laughed them out of the race before they could even start. Bernie should be doing better in the primaries. I see that as a failure already.

 

[akira28]

Some of them do it, sure. Though ever since the first Super Tuesday, there has been a lot more from Hillary Supporters. "If you don't vote Clinton you are evil and racist and hate minorities and not real Liberal grumbelgrumble."

this didn't happen. People didn't say vote Hillary or else you're a racist. People said lots of Bernie supporters had problems with race issues. In a variety of ways. But I want you to show me one instance where someone implied Bernie support itself was a sign of racism.

 

[...Scatter...]

No this thread is scary. It shows the true beliefs of many people and their intolerance toward beliefs that do not conform with their own. They sound like a religious extremists.

Not everyone's beliefs are equal and therefore not all beliefs should be tolerated. Hitler believed all social outcasts needed to be sent to the incinerator. I would absolutely tell someone that voted for him that hiss beliefs are completely immoral and disgusting. Life is complicated. Critical thinking is essential. Obviously this is an exaggerated case point.

 

[BearFlexington]

I will not be pressured into voting for someone whom I don't support. And if asked to compare Hillary and Trump, from my perspective, one speaks dangerously and and one has behaved dangerously so there really isn't a decision to make there.

This article actually voices some of my thoughts better than I can articulate this evening.

 

[Rion]

I think this American election is pretty simple. If you either:
_want to ensure that Trump or Cruz is not the next president
_want to ensure that the supreme court goes left

There is only one logical choice. Everything else is irrelevant.

Regardless, please at least vote for your state and local candidate, changes don't come overnight, every vote count.

 

[Chris R]

I'll be voting, I just won't be voting for Hillary, unless there are zero other third party choices. My state is SOLID red, so my vote for president doesn't matter anyways.

 

[cdyhybrid]

OP is spot on. Thankfully I think these people are just a very loud minority.

 

[pgtl_10]

Not everyone's beliefs are equal and therefore not all beliefs should be tolerated. Hitler believed all social outcasts needed to be sent to the incinerator. I would absolutely tell someone that voted for him that hiss beliefs are completely immoral and disgusting. Life is complicated. Critical thinking is essential. Obviously this is an exaggerated case point.

Godwin'so law in full effect. More scary thinking.

 

[Cranster]

Why do some 'liberals' seem to dislike Hilary?

They are too young to remember how Bill Clinton was a good president.

 

[cpp_is_king]

You cannot do this while voting for Trump. This is the break in the circuit. You cannot logically argue for letting go of fear and hate while simultaneously considering a vote for a reality show host whose entire campaign trades almost specifically in fostering those two specific emotions.

And while a vote for Trump doesn't necessarily come with any sort of upfront admission that one is racist, it's almost impossible to divorce that vote from a tolerance of his brand of xenophobia and prejudice.

People who vote for Hillary even though they don't really like her are deciding to settle for side-effects to progressive legislation that include:

*Potential softness on corporations and corporate dealings
*A less measured/more aggressive military stance in foreign dealings

People who vote for Trump even though they don't really like him are deciding to settle for side-effects to potential financial gains that include:

*A cold war with Mexico
*Guaranteed military offensives in the middle-east
*General intolerance of brown people and women in general, at home and abroad.

Given that comparison, and what choosing the one over the other seems to say about your levels of tolerance for those percieved negatives, how could you, in good conscience, decide that the side effects of the latter are the preferred choice?

Trump is not campaining on a platform of "general intolerance of brown people", he is campaigning on a platform of general intolerance of people who are here illegally (many but not all of whom happen to be brown), and people who want to kill us (many of whom also happen to be brown).

This is why blindly playing the racist card against people who choose to vote for Trump is flawed. There are no doubt those who actually hate brown people, and who support Trump because it would be a means to an end for them. There are also those who believe that laws -- whatever they are -- should be upheld (or banished) and that the balance between national security and personal liberties are not necessarily having the perfect balance. Neither of those are racism, since the underlying reason is not race. If white people from Sweden were trying to come to America and kill Americans, I believe Trump would be calling for a ban on Swedes coming to America.

Just to get this out of the way, I actually think banning muslims from coming to the US would be silly, ineffective, impractical, and a waste of money. So for that reason I don't support it. But I don't think it's racist. I even support accepting the Syrian refugees.

The bottom line is: A -> B is not the same as B -> A. All racists are Trump supporters does not mean all Trump supporters are racists, nor does it mean Trump's policies are inherently racist. For that you need willful intent to discriminate because of race.

 

[...Scatter...]

Floridians. We'll need you in the general. You remember we cost Al Gore the election because we didn't turn out. Please!

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

This is the only honest post I've seen about the decision to vote for Trump from a supposedly progressive person (from the Samantha Bee thread)

I love Sam Bee, she has the bite and snark that is totally missing from all the new hosts of late night shows. Haven't watched her show this week yet so will watch tonight.

I freely admit I will probably vote for Trump this fall. As a rich white old male Hillary is totally fine for me, she will not do anything to hurt me and my money will grow even more under her stewardship - my wealth has nearly doubled in the past decade thanks to Wall Street, and she is hard in their pocket. And the country will continue down the path of gridlock, dysfunction, and government getting bigger and bigger every year while doing less and less.

Are a lot of Trump supporters racist? Are most of the things he says a bit insane? Does he say one thing one day and the complete opposite the next? You bet. I'm not stupid, but I rationalize it as him preaching demagoguery to get voted.

A vote for him (or Sanders) though sends the message that "I am frustrated with the current political climate. I don't really know how to tell you to fix things, other than vote for this crazy guy who says he will fix things while the rest of you just say neutered talking points, carefully vetted by your staff."

There are very specific things I would like to see fixed: we spend way too much on defense, we spend way too much sending troops all around the world defending other countries interests, we spend way too much on corporate welfare, we have way too much government meddling, oversight and coddling, and we don't spend enough on basic things like infrastructure (not just roads but WATER as we have seen) and universal healthcare.

Hillary is going to touch NONE of those things, she is way too in bed with the political machine to change it, just like Obama didn't touch most of it (Obamacare was a good step I will say but far short of its potential). Would Trump or Sanders be able to change any of it? I dunno, but they are the two that would most likely try and fail.

Yes, the most important thing the next President does is appointing 2-3 SC justices but at my stage in life that really isn't that big a deal to me, and while they will have an impact on my kids and their future I think a return to a functioning government would have a bigger impact and none of the candidates honestly will do that. I really don't know what could, other than some massive catastrophe that breaks up the political machine that cares more about re-elections than governance.

It still makes me very sad, but I at least appreciate the candor.

 

[PsychBat!]

First thread I have seen on this so it is new to me. Also, thread whining is not a good look.

Thread whining?

That's a bit of reach.

 

[Vicetrailia]

As a minority my well being is on the line with Trump. Basically anything regressive can happen. Hillary isnt very desireable but she's all I got since Bernie can't come out.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

I will not be pressured into voting for someone whom I don't support. And if asked to compare Hillary and Trump, from my perspective, one speaks dangerously and and one has behaved dangerously so there really isn't a decision to make there.

This article actually voices some of my thoughts better than I can articulate this evening.

What a joke.

Do you want to see SCOTUS roll back decisions? ACA, Marriage equality, tax breaks/burdens, immigration, 2nd amendment, womens rights', etc.

 

[IrishNinja]

BUT BUT... if Hillary wins it all I'm totally gonna bitch about every dumb thing she'll inevitably do. I'm not a fan of hers. If she wins and I ever got to meet her I'd be sure to let her know that she got my vote because she was better than the alternative of literal scum of the earth. She could be a 6-year-old toaster oven and I would still choose her over Trump/Cruz.

just wanted to chime in & say: i went to obama rallies, but was still disappointed when he made certain compromises on ACA, gutted wall street bill, was less transparent & more hawkish than original presented, and particularly what his DOJ did about marijuana dispensaries/etc, even before drone controversies. i'd argue it's not just your right, but important to bash dumb shit your candidate or the one you settled for does.

I will not be pressured into voting for someone whom I don't support. And if asked to compare Hillary and Trump, from my perspective, one speaks dangerously and and one has behaved dangerously so there really isn't a decision to make there.

This article actually voices some of my thoughts better than I can articulate this evening.

that's a shit blog, and i barely made it past the indictment nonsense - even if i did subscribe to the "33% won't support clinton" stuff, it leaps right from that into her chances to lose to trump...which is where the writer should've done some critical thinking.

all due respect: it seems fitting of your general clinton/trump assessment though, so at least you're consistent here

Godwin'so law in full effect. More scary thinking.

thankfully, you're still braving the storm & contributing

Trump is not campaining on a platform of "general intolerance of brown people", he is campaigning on a platform of general intolerance of people who are here illegally (many but not all of whom happen to be brown), and people who want to kill us (many of whom also happen to be brown).

oh! *phew*

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Godwin'so law in full effect.

Godwin himself has actually spoken up on how Trump's existence (and success) in the political arena has sort of changed the fundamental understanding of his law. It used to be a satirical observation on how arguments on the internet tend to play out.

With Trump, it's not satirical. Hitler has become a legitimate comparison point.

That's the kind of bullshit we're dealing with, 10. This guy is such a hateful demagogue that you can't even apply Godwin's Law correctly.

Yes, it very much seems as if "intolerance is running rampant" in America right now. I'm not sure the examples of it you're citing are great examples compared to Trump's.

 

[...Scatter...]

Godwin'so law in full effect. More scary thinking.

It's pretty clear you're not going to engage in actual debate and will rather throw one liners about how things are "scary". Hopefully one day you'll be able to articulate your view. I wish you more courage.

 

[SolarPowered]

I don't think I've ever been more turned off from voting. You Hillary people need to deal with the fact that no everyone is in love with your Queen the way you are. Hell, she's not even that bad. It's the fan brigade that keeps trying to browbeat people into accepting the third way as the only way or else they're racist, mysoginist, closet conservative pricks. Donald Fucking Trump is doing a better job of convincing people to vote for her than her own supporters are. Goddamn supporters are the worst thing about elections, aren't they? I just found this out (didn't really pay attention to the peons fighting back when Obama and Hillary clashed) and now I guess I can look forward to another 15 or so elections full of Bernie Bro and YAAAS Queen types.

 

[Cipherr]

I dont care about the folks throwing a fit because their first political crush lost. We have all been there. What I do care about, is whether they stay as engaged as they are today, in two fucking years.

I already see a lot of them like "And now we have to wait 4 years for any chance at real change!"

No, jackass.... you DON'T have to wait 4 years. In fact, if people showed up when they were supposed to, shit would be much better already.

 

[Hylian7]

No claiming everybody is racist, hippy, white,...etc. because they don't vote for your candidate is scary.

A lot of manchildren here.

I don't really care for Hillary either, and if given a broader choice, definitely not the candidate I would vote for.

That said, when it's literally coming down to Hillary vs Trump in the general election, there's only one viable choice there. Voting Trump means you are either ignorant, racist, or both. There's no two ways about it.

I voted for Bernie in my state's primary. He didn't win my state, and it's not looking like he's going to get the nomination. I'm disappointed in that, and really don't particularly care for Hillary, but she is a ton better than anything else since Bernie is pretty much off the table at this point. At the very least, she will continue Obama's legacy and won't tear down the progress Obama made. If she's basically another 4-8 years of Obama, I'm fine with that, despite the obvious things I don't like about her.

So to sum it up once again: If you vote Trump, you're either racist, ignorant, or both.

 

[...Scatter...]

Godwin himself has actually spoken up on how Trump's existence (and success) in the political arena has sort of changed the fundamental understanding of his law. It used to be a satirical observation on how arguments on the internet tend to play out.

With Trump, it's not satirical. Hitler has become a legitimate comparison point.

That's the kind of bullshit we're dealing with, 10. This guy is such a hateful demagogue that you can't even apply Godwin's Law correctly.

Yes, it very much seems as if "intolerance is running rampant" in America right now. I'm not sure the examples of it you're citing are great examples compared to Trump's.

I'd like to point out I never compared Trump to Hitler also making his point pointless. I used it to poke holes in the argument that all viewpoints should be tolerated.

 

[MIMIC]

Coming from someone outside of the US I think it has something to do with common sense.

With the stuff that the Republican's candidates are saying I'm having a hard time understanding why would anyone rational vote for them.

I'm as anti-Trump as the next person. But Hillary -- for completely different reasons -- is almost just as bad (for me, at least). I could not live with myself by voting for her....although I've gone back and forth trying to decide, or rather "convince" myself that I should vote for her (funny how I'm campaigning for Hillary harder than she did for me). I ultimately just keep coming back to "nope, I just can't do it."

I am definitely going to vote. Just definitely not for Trump (or Hillary...at this time).