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Three Israelis have been killed in a gun attack by a Palestinian assailant at a settlement outside Jerusalem. According to initial reports, the attacker was also shot dead after approaching a gate of Har Adar posing as a labourer.

The assailant apparently arrived at a rear entrance to the settlement at around 7am as security guards were opening a gate to admit Palestinian labourers with permits. When security guards became suspicious, the individual pulled out a gun hidden under his shirt and opened fire, fatally wounding three Israelis, before being shot himself. ”A terrorist who arrived at the rear gate of Har Adar along with Palestinian labourers entering the settlement ... pulled out a weapon and opened fire at the force at the site," an Israeli police spokesman said. ”Three Israelis were killed in the attack, another was wounded and the terrorist was neutralised."

Police later said the Palestinian – provisionally identified as a 37-year-old resident of Beit Surik who held a work permit – had died of his wounds. The three dead Israelis all sustained gunshot wounds to the upper body. A fourth Israeli injured in the incident was transferred to hospital in Jerusalem in a serious condition. The incident, at a settlement northwest of Jerusalem that lies near several Palestinian villages, comes nearly two years after a wave of unrest broke out. The violence had greatly subsided in recent months.

Since October 2015, the unrest has killed at least 295 Palestinians or Arab Israelis, 50 Israelis, two Americans, two Jordanians, an Eritrean, a Sudanese and a Briton, according to an AFP toll. Israeli authorities say that most of the Palestinians killed were carrying out knife, gun or car-ramming attacks. Others were shot dead in protests and clashes, while some were killed in Israeli air strikes on the Gaza Strip.

 

[ApharmdX]

Terrible stuff. I hate to see this kind of violence.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Yea, he's a killer and a murderer. But the word terrorist in the context of illegal settlements is not something you can just throw around and hope people swallow.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Yea, he's a killer and a murderer. But the word terrorist in the context of illegal settlements is not something you can just throw around and hope people swallow.

He tried to commit terror at the gate by targeting Israelis

Hes a terrorist

 

[Inuhanyou]

Yea, he's a killer and a murderer. But the word terrorist in the context of illegal settlements is not something you can just throw around and hope people swallow.

While i technically agree with you in regards to the right wing israeli governments dominion over the people of Palestine causing these types of clashes...in regards to the word terrorist, you could basically argue that many Muslim terrorists are not actually terrorists because they are nudged along by US imperialism in their parts of the globe, and that's not really the case.

Anyone who does an attack like this is generally classified as a terrorist, and that's what this person was, regardless of the Israeli governments policies.

No doubt this attack will serve as a nice recruiting tool and another excuse for Netty to consider Palestinians sub human

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

He tried to commit terror at the gate by targeting Israelis

Hes a terrorist

What objective was his terror attempt trying to achieve?

Well, i technically agree with you in regards to the right wing israeli governments dominion over the people of Palestine, in regards to the word terrorist, you could basically argue that many Muslim terrorists are not actually terrorists because they are nudged along by US imperialism in their parts of the globe, and that's not really the case.

Illegal settlements are a different breed of context. Closer to the oppression of south African apartheid, closer to what colonialists did in Africa.
US imperialism isn't any where close to apartheid. America isn't a country run by religious extremists for decades.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

What objective was his 'terror' attempt trying to achieve?

Kill people
Terrify Israelis

 

[Game-Biz]

Fucking monster. And yes, he's a terrorist. Jesus Christ.

 

[Mr. Giggles]

Suppress people long enough and stuff like this happens.

Give him any label you want but it's a great tool for politics and to continue the status quo

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Kill people
Terrify Israelis

He's a vile murderer and a horrible killer.
I'll agree with you he's a terrorist when you agree killing hundreds of children and grabbing land from people illegally means the Israeli government is also run by terrorists.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

He's a vile murderer and a horrible killer.
I'll agree with you he's a terrorist when you agree killing hundreds of children and grabbing land from people illegally means the Israeli government is also run by terrorists.

Why do you need me to agree on your statement in order for you to realize he's a terrorist? He did a fucking awful thing, that makes him a terrorist.

 

[nephilimdj]

Just think this man left his fenced off town, drove down a fenced off road, reached a wealthy jewish area, secruity guards noticed him acted suspiciously, he pulled a gun and killed 3 people

When you word it in reality, its not as black and white

 

[BlackDoomShadow]

I love how it took like three posts for someone to start suggesting Israelis deserve to get murdered because of some propaganda you read about on the internet.

 

[F0rneus]

Rest in peace to the victims. Terrible tragedy.

 

[Ri'Orius]

Kill people
Terrify Israelis

So the US military is a terrorist organization, then? 'Cause, I mean, killing and terrorizing people, kind of our MO.

And honestly, if we're talking about the illegal Israeli settlements on Palestinian land, then this doesn't sound like murder. Sounds like rebellion against a conquering nation. We had a thread not too long ago about a statue to Nat Turner that seems like a pretty apt comparison here. Or the classic "contractors on the second Death Star" debate.

 

[BlackDoomShadow]

So the US military is a terrorist organization, then? 'Cause, I mean, killing and terrorizing people, kind of our MO.

There was a thread last month about the "Conan in Israel" special where people were demanding Conan's head because he did a brief spot with the IDF, and it's like, what the fuck do you guys think the US military has been doing the last 200 years? Planting flowers? I don't mind if someone is anti-war, but at least be consistent, Jesus.

 

[theaface]

So the US military is a terrorist organization, then? 'Cause, I mean, killing and terrorizing people, kind of our MO.

And honestly, if we're talking about the illegal Israeli settlements on Palestinian land, then this doesn't sound like murder. Sounds like rebellion against a conquering nation. We had a thread not too long ago about a statue to Nat Turner that seems like a pretty apt comparison here. Or the classic "contractors on the second Death Star" debate.

What the actual fuck?

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Why do you need me to agree on your statement in order for you to realize he's a terrorist? He did a fucking awful thing, that makes him a terrorist.

Because words have meaning. Illegal settlements have a meaning, occupations have meaning, and terrorism does too. Based on your kind of thinking, everyone who commits murder inside an illegally occupied territory is automatically a terorrist. Terrorist are people who go after civilians for political ends. What political end was this man trying to achieve. And has it been confirmed any of the people killed were civilians.

 

[PdotMichael]

Yea, he's a killer and a murderer. But the word terrorist in the context of illegal settlements is not something you can just throw around and hope people swallow.

So long you don't provide anything that three people died just because they are Israelis then you have nothing to back up your nonsense.

 

[astroturfing]

I love how it took like three posts for someone to start suggesting Israelis deserve to get murdered because of some propaganda you read about on the internet.

they dont deserve to be slaughtered. Israelis are human.

but its not propaganda that they are illegal settlers, landgrabbing provocators who want to destroy any chance of an independent Palestinian nation ever forming. just listen to what many of the settlers say, they dont give a single fuck. many of them are hardcore racists who think of arabs as dogs etc.

 

[BlackDoomShadow]

but its not propaganda that they are illegal settlers, landgrabbing provocators who want to destroy any chance of an independent Palestinian nation ever forming. just listen to what many of the settlers say, they dont give a single fuck. many of them are hardcore racists who think of arabs as dogs etc.

You know who else are landgrabbing provocateurs who want to destroy any chance of an independent Middle East and are hardcore racists who think of Arabs as dogs? Americans.

Does America deserve to be attacked by terrorists like on 9/11?

 

[Oberon]

Violence doesn't help the cause to peace. It's easy to identify with the oppressed during this whole thing but it doesn't make it right. It would be like encouraging black people to shoot police officers because the systeme is completely corrupt. The answer is to change the system, but who's going to do that? The Israel government is asking for trouble with their settlements, but it doesn't make it less bad when it actually happened.

 

[Dehnus]

He tried to commit terror at the gate by targeting Israelis

Hes a terrorist

So Israel also commits state terror then? And the colonists, whom shoot people on regular basis? Please let's not muddy this conflict further than it already is.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

It's also horrible to equate Israelis with settlers. Settlers are a religiously extremist group of people.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

What political end was this man trying to achieve. And has it been confirmed any of the people killed were civilians.

You're insinuating that it would be ok as long as the people killed weren't civilians.

 

[FlutterPuffs]

You know who else are landgrabbing provocateurs who want to destroy any chance of an independent Middle East and are hardcore racists who think of Arabs as dogs? Americans.

Does America deserve to be attacked by terrorists like on 9/11?

Well no, but so doesnt the Palestinians who have had their land taken away from them for the past few decades.

What this person did was heinous. What Israel has been doing regarding Palestine is even more so.

It's also horrible to equate Israelis with settlers. Settlers are a religiously extremist group of people.

Citation needed honey.

 

[Game-Biz]

So the US military is a terrorist organization, then? 'Cause, I mean, killing and terrorizing people, kind of our MO.

And honestly, if we're talking about the illegal Israeli settlements on Palestinian land, then this doesn't sound like murder. Sounds like rebellion against a conquering nation. We had a thread not too long ago about a statue to Nat Turner that seems like a pretty apt comparison here. Or the classic "contractors on the second Death Star" debate.

Good lord. What the fuck is this shit?

 

[Inuhanyou]

some people seem to be pretty unreasonable with this topic. We know about israeli government's enabling of systemic oppression, but that doesn't mean murdering israeli civilians is okay, nor does it absolve the attackers of their crimes.

Just as like murdering American civilians in the name of fighting against the US military state is also not justifiable

 

[BlackDoomShadow]

Well no, but so doesnt the Palestinians who have had their land taken away from them for the past few decades.

What this person did was heinous. What Israel has been doing regarding Palestine is even more so.

So if the Native Americans decide they want their land back and decide to start killing white people until their demands are met, are we okay with this? I'm just wondering what the statute of limitations is on violently retaking a colonized sovereign nation.

 

[Ri'Orius]

You know who else are landgrabbing provocateurs who want to destroy any chance of an independent Middle East and are hardcore racists who think of Arabs as dogs? Americans.

Does America deserve to be attacked by terrorists like on 9/11?

I'm totally fine with foreign rebels attacking American military personnel on their soil. Same for any civilian contractors aiding the American military.

Similarly, an illegal settlement on Palestinian land is a fair target, including anyone there. Especially armed security officers, who sound like the victims in this instance (article is unclear on this, but it sounds like the altercation happened at the security gate).

 

[JP_]

So the US military is a terrorist organization, then? 'Cause, I mean, killing and terrorizing people, kind of our MO.

And honestly, if we're talking about the illegal Israeli settlements on Palestinian land, then this doesn't sound like murder. Sounds like rebellion against a conquering nation. We had a thread not too long ago about a statue to Nat Turner that seems like a pretty apt comparison here. Or the classic "contractors on the second Death Star" debate.

or native americans raiding american settlements as we took their land and killed many more of their people. Violence is unfortunate but it's naive to treat this like a random murderer in some normal country.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0uLbeQlwjw

It's a complex issue with a lot of grey area but people like to try and simplify it with black and white labels like terrorist and lofty pontifications about how violence is always bad. Sorry, world isn't so simple.

 

[Dr.Phibes]

What the actual fuck?

Are you seriously surprised that there's a murder defense force on GAF?
I mean, we even had ISIS supporters here.

 

[Dehnus]

So if the Native Americans decide they want their land back and decide to start killing white people until their demands are met, are we okay with this? I'm just wondering what the statute of limitations is on violently retaking a colonized sovereign nation.

They did, there were quite a few uprisings. It however was not called terrorism, usually an uprising or rebellion. Again it is a tragic conflict, and I love Israel, but please don't muddy things further this was a settlement and this is tragic. But calling this terror will also mean that the next shooting by a colonist is terror.

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

So the US military is a terrorist organization, then? 'Cause, I mean, killing and terrorizing people, kind of our MO.

And honestly, if we're talking about the illegal Israeli settlements on Palestinian land, then this doesn't sound like murder. Sounds like rebellion against a conquering nation. We had a thread not too long ago about a statue to Nat Turner that seems like a pretty apt comparison here. Or the classic "contractors on the second Death Star" debate.

Listen mate, you're genuinely chatting shit.

And then to talk about Star Wars - sort your life out.

 

[CCS]

Because words have meaning. Illegal settlements have a meaning, occupations have meaning, and terrorism does too. Based on your kind of thinking, everyone who commits murder inside an illegally occupied territory is automatically a terorrist. Terrorist are people who go after civilians for political ends. What political end was this man trying to achieve. And has it been confirmed any of the people killed were civilians.

For the record, the article has been updated and two of the three killed were civilians.

 

[llien]

He's a vile murderer and a horrible killer.
I'll agree with you he's a terrorist when you agree killing hundreds of children and grabbing land from people illegally means the Israeli government is also run by terrorists.

?

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

For the record, the article has been updated and two of the three killed were civilians.

Thanks.

 

[Dopus]

Yeah it's terrorism.

The illegal settlements complicate matters because you're complicit in the ethnic cleansing. To draw a parallel between these individuals and other civilians isn't apt because they've specifically chosen to live on literal stolen Palestinian land that is deemed illegal by international law.

Rest in peace nonetheless.

 

[KonradLaw]

Yea, he's a killer and a murderer. But the word terrorist in the context of illegal settlements is not something you can just throw around and hope people swallow.

If he aimed at killing civilians he's a terrorist.

 

[Dopus]

If he aimed at killing civilians he's a terrorist.

This is true. But do you not see the distinction between say a civilian living in Tel Aviv versus one living on a settlement in the occupied territories?

 

[HarryHengst]

So the US military is a terrorist organization, then?

All armies are. Lets take the definition of terrorism: 'Terrorism describes the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror, or fear, to achieve a political, religious or ideological aim.'

Sounds like any army, and especially the US army.

 

[Sunster]

Violence doesn't help the cause to peace. It's easy to identify with the oppressed during this whole thing but it doesn't make it right. It would be like encouraging black people to shoot police officers because the systeme is completely corrupt. The answer is to change the system, but who's going to do that? The Israel government is asking for trouble with their settlements, but it doesn't make it less bad when it actually happened.

Israelis seem to be the only ones with any power to change it. Palestinians have literally 0 power. Feel terrible for the victims, I hope this doesn't bring more violence.

 

[KonradLaw]

This is true. But do you not see the distinction between say a civilian living in Tel Aviv versus one living on a settlement on occupied land?

As far as him being classified as a terrorist? No.

 

[remist]

This is horrible but I wouldnt equate settlers on illegally occupied land taking part in ethnic cleansing with civilians. They are part of an occupying force.

 

[Dopus]

As far as him being classified as a terrorist? No.

That's not what I'm asking. Nevermind what Plasma is saying, not that I would necessarily disagree with it. But this is really the key issue.

 

[Typical]

Illegal settlement?

 

[Ri'Orius]

For the record, the article has been updated and two of the three killed were civilians.

Civilian... security guards. At an illegal settlement.

Like, I don't care who signs your paycheck at that point. PMC soldiers are legally considered civilians, too. But characterizing someone whose job is to literally stand in occupied territory with a gun and shoot anyone who tries to take it back as a "civilian" is not in line with my definition of the term.

 

[KonradLaw]

That's not what I'm asking.

Well, obviously the whole palestinian/Israeli's situation is pure shitstorm and it's not a simple case of evil terrorists attacking innocent civilians for no reason other than their ideology. As heinous as the acts of terror are there's no denying it's in Israel's goverment interest to stoke the flames of hatred and stop descalating the tensions.

 

[JP_]

Illegal settlement?

All settlements are illegal under international law.

 

[Widdle Puppy]

Fighting to reclaim stolen land is terrorism now?