Tom Brady beats NFL in 'Deflategate' court case, league's 4-game suspension nullified

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blackflag said:
I'm pretty sure lots of other quarterbacks have done this......So yeah.
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They admit to doing it as if it was no big deal. Just like Jerry Rice admitted to cheating. Just like current WRs and QBs use gloves that make gripping and catching the ball much much easier. It's a minor infraction at best, which is why it wasn't enforced against the Jets players when they got caught recently and why the monetary penalty is so low. What happened here is just the NFL being the NFL. How many cases does Goodell have to lose before he's ousted? As long as he continues to make the owners boatloads of cash, my guess is he'll be allowed to continue screwing up everything else.
 
Troy said:
They admit to doing it as if it was no big deal. Just like Jerry Rice admitted to cheating. Just like current WRs and QBs use gloves that make gripping and catching the ball much much easier. It's a minor infraction at best, which is why it wasn't enforced against the Jets players when they got caught recently and why the monetary penalty is so low. What happened here is just the NFL being the NFL. How many cases does Goodell have to lose before he's ousted? As long as he continues to make the owners boatloads of cash, my guess is he'll be allowed to continue screwing up everything else.
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Yep, that's why I'm Glad the pats won this. Closer to the post Goodell era.
 
GavinGT said:
Thanks. And another question: weren't the same balls in use by both teams? Would one team really obtain an advantage?
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No, they each had their own set of balls in use. Each team's quarterback pre-selects a group of the balls they like the feel of to use during the game. The balls have to be inflated within a certain PSI range, and QBs prefer their balls at different points within that range.

The Colts' balls tested higher in pressure than the Patriots', but there are explanations for that that don't require the Patriots' locker room people to have done anything against the rules.

There were also some irregularities with the way the balls were tested during the game and the gauges that were used.
 
blackflag said:
My opinion that you are a moron doesn't need to meet a court's level of evidence.
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But you just said there's insufficient evidence to show anything was deflated. Maybe childish sports allegiances allow you to justify assumptions contradictory to facts but to judge everyone that doesn't share that particular cognitive flaw as a moron is a little ironic.
 
AgeEighty said:
No, they each had their own set of balls in use. Each team's quarterback pre-selects a group of the balls they like the feel of to use during the game. The balls have to be inflated within a certain PSI range, and QBs prefer their balls at different points within that range.

The Colts' balls tested higher in pressure than the Patriots', but there are explanations for that that don't require the Patriots' locker room people to have done anything against the rules.

There were also some irregularities with the way the balls were tested during the game and the gauges that were used.
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Thanks. What a weird policy, though.
 
Troy said:
I think he was just trying to match the stupidity of you comparing Brady to Lance.
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It's one thing to compare an alleged sports cheat to a known sports cheat. And the comparison was about the duration of loyalty, not the scale of cheating. MANY TIMES in this thread and others I've said that Brady's cheating (if he did it) is minimal and meaningless. Far less so than the PEDs my own team is likely munching like candy.

Couldn't have been clearer on that aspect, many, many times.


But that disgusting straw man is beneath all of us. This thread is about dumb sport allegiance and is ridiculous enough without that kind of crap.

Kind of chills the ability to joke about it or have a discussion.
 
KHarvey16 said:
But you just said there's insufficient evidence to show anything was deflated. Maybe childish sports allegiances allow you to justify assumptions contradictory to facts but to judge everyone that doesn't share that particular cognitive flaw as a moron is a little ironic.
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No, that's not it at all. If you read you could see I'm happy the Pats won.
 
Stinkles said:
It's one thing to compare an alleged sports cheat to a known sports cheat. And the comparison was about the duration of loyalty, not the scale of cheating. MANY TIMES in this thread and others I've said that Brady's cheating (if he did it) is minimal and meaningless. Far less so than the PEDs my own team is likely munching like candy.

Couldn't have been clearer on that aspect, many, many times.


But that disgusting straw man is beneath all of us. This thread is about dumb sport allegiance and is ridiculous enough without that kind of crap.

Kind of chills the ability to joke about it or have a discussion.
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I'm not saying his analogy wasn't infinitely worse than yours. It was.
 
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KHarvey16 said:
And happy to conclude, in spite of the evidence, that cheating occurred. In addition, continuing on to consider anyone unwilling to make that same illogical leap to be a moron.
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It's like he's Wells and you're Kessler. Wiping his messy logic off the floor with facts. Excellent
 
KHarvey16 said:
And happy to conclude, in spite of the evidence, that cheating occurred. In addition, continuing on to consider anyone unwilling to make that same illogical leap to be a moron.
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Why do you care if people believe Tom Brady cheated despite the courts ruling? Unlike you, he's simply not buying into it.
 
In the nrl (australian rugby league), if a team cheated they deduct points from the team.

They should have given the pats a negative score at the start of the season as a punishment.
 
KHarvey16 said:
And happy to conclude, in spite of the evidence, that cheating occurred. In addition, continuing on to consider anyone unwilling to make that same illogical leap to be a moron.
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Devil's advicate here. Where is this evidence cheating did NOT occur? The team is still being punished for cheating.
 
AndrewPL said:
In the nrl (australian rugby league), if a team cheated they deduct points from the team.

They should have given the pats a negative score at the start of the season as a punishment.
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what a novel and absurd idea that has no way of being implemented.
 
AndrewPL said:
In the nrl (australian rugby league), if a team cheated they deduct points from the team.

They should have given the pats a negative score at the start of the season as a punishment.
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So what penalty should the Pats get with the overwhelming evidence that they didn't cheat?
 
I just find it funny how this NFL case of cheating in a game has caused more court cases than a baseball team committing a federal offense of hacking another organization. Shows how big football really is.
 
Herbs said:
It's like he's Wells and you're Kessler. Wiping his messy logic off the floor with facts. Excellent
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Kessler was really entertaining through all of this.

Pinchable Buttocks said:
Why do you care if people believe Tom Brady cheated despite the courts ruling? Unlike you, he's simply not buying into it.
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I don't really care what people think, but I do care when they share what they think and try to argue to support it.

Florist said:
Devil's advicate here. Where is this evidence cheating did NOT occur? The team is still being punished for cheating.
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If we accept the numbers in the Wells Report, which is a big if, they actually demonstrate the unlikeliness anyone cheated. Even with the flawed science used in the report, the difference between a naturally deflated ball and what was measured were fractions of a PSI. Can you envision someone sticking a needle into a football to release so little air? I don't even think you could do it given the method. And then why? The small difference in pressure would do nothing to the feel of the football.

But then we have the fact there were flaws in the report's methodology and reasoning. The stats were evaluated incorrectly, and it's been shown in subsequent reports that everything measured could be accounted for by just considering environmental factors alone.
 
I wonder if ESPN will point out all the inconsistencies in the report and address their refusal to correct false reports.
 
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